SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at MINNESOTA VIKINGS - 2023 Season Game 7

Two weeks in a row, the crazy stats holds up (Schwartz vs Kyle, No wins in Minnesota since 1992).....

I guess our overall good lifetime record against Cincy suggests a win, even if it was on the road....

But with this defense, hard to predict WTF will happen.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Two weeks in a row, the crazy stats holds up (Schwartz vs Kyle, No wins in Minnesota since 1992).....

I guess our overall good lifetime record against Cincy suggests a win, even if it was on the road....

But with this defense, hard to predict WTF will happen.

Not watching Sunday's game. Chase will set a record on this defense.

Originally posted by Seattle49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think it's a multi layered problem…agreed with it starts up front. We've invested so much money there, they NEED to show that worth. Bosa is the highest paid defensive player in the history of the NFL…make your presence known! When we needed ONE play, that's your job. You're the star…start acting like it.

Let's face it, we're not good vs the run. We don't have that big plugging holes DT up front. Javon Hargrave isn't good vs the run. He's a penetrating pass rush DT. Much like the rest of our guys. we don't have that guy who's gonna take on multiple lineman and plug holes.

They've gotten so focused on stopping the run, that they're not exploding off the LOS to get to the QB. Kirk killed SF with the play-action stuff. We scored so fast the first couple weeks that it forced teams to be one dimensional.

Now let's talk about Wilks and the secondary. We don't have stars back there. Ward isn't a lockdown elite CB. He's a good starting DB. Who knows what we have on the other side at this pt. NCB seems to have guys running around free every week. Also all this talk about giving Huf a big fat contract…for what? I'm not seeing some elite range and coverage ability. Maybe the film will show something different, but outside of some blitzing, I feel like I don't see him at all.

I'm not and X's and O's guy, but I feel like we're just handing over yards in the passing game. There's just guys wide open in the zones. Now we're giving explosives on top of it. There has to be some scheme issues there…no way should guys be that f**king open every drop back and if it's not scheme, then go get some legit secondary help.

As far as the offense goes. We all knew our OL wasn't gonna be amazing. I feel like we're not great running the ball and that hurts all the play-action stuff. Costly TOs killed this team on offense. Brock made some pretty bad throws/reads and unfortunately that's part of the process with a young QB.

3rd down conversion after 3rd down conversion. Secondary has been weak for years. D line gets held a lot with no calls. Great to have awesome pass rush but yesterday it was pretty obvious that our secondary does not compliment our PR.

Trade deadline looming, Lynch needs to fix this now or kiss #6 goodbye this season.

There's a bunch of issues. I'm not sure we have a QB that can put the team on his back when we're behind or not at 100%. That's a whole other discussion though.

wilks was suppose to be a secondary wizard and it looks like straight s**t. Is it talent or poor coaching/scheme?

the days of feeling confident about stoping a team on 3rd down are over. Pass rush isn't getting home and I have no idea what they're running on those downs…whatever it is, it's pure s**t or they aren't executing.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Maybe it's just a coincidence but without Deebo the Niners have gone from over 30 points per game to 17 in 2 straight games. They started out hitting Aiyuk all over the field. In the 2nd half he was nearly invisible. Why? Sometimes it seems like Kyle gets too fixated on one player and uses him over and over instead of spreading the ball around.

Kyle or the QB? Overall from just watching the game live, I wasn't upset with the play calling on offense. I don't think we can run the ball super effectively, which hurts everything. I didn't think Brock was pressured anymore than earlier this yr either. TOs man. Close game and we lost the TO battle.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Maybe it's just a coincidence but without Deebo the Niners have gone from over 30 points per game to 17 in 2 straight games. They started out hitting Aiyuk all over the field. In the 2nd half he was nearly invisible. Why? Sometimes it seems like Kyle gets too fixated on one player and uses him over and over instead of spreading the ball around.

Kyle or the QB? Overall from just watching the game live, I wasn't upset with the play calling on offense. I don't think we can run the ball super effectively, which hurts everything. I didn't think Brock was pressured anymore than earlier this yr either. TOs man. Close game and we lost the TO battle.

It was another game where you could point to a single mistake erased being the difference between a win or loss.

McCaffrey fumble in scoring postion.
Moody missed FG.
Brock 2 picks.
The ridiculous fluke INT turned to TD.
Offense delay of game having to call time out early 2nd half, giving us only 2 later in the game.
Wilks got absolutely embarrassed on multiple third and long defensive calls.

Brock is starting to look a lot like college Brock lately. Makes some really good plays, and then some really confusing ones.

This was one of those games where, whenever we built any momentum, it was taken away by something stupid.

But putting this loss mainly on the D.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It was another game where you could point to a single mistake erased being the difference between a win or loss.

McCaffrey fumble in scoring postion.
Moody missed FG.
Brock 2 picks.
The ridiculous fluke INT turned to TD.
Offense delay of game having to call time out early 2nd half, giving us only 2 later in the game.
Wilks got absolutely embarrassed on multiple third and long defensive calls.

Brock is starting to look a lot like college Brock lately. Makes some really good plays, and then some really confusing ones.

Brock is the least of our worries. I don't believe this team is mentally tough enough when things don't go their way. Turnovers seem to completely demoralize them and rejuvenate the opponent.

Momentum matters, they got it, lost it immediately, and were lost the rest of the game.

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
This was one of those games where, whenever we built any momentum, it was taken away by something stupid.

But putting this loss mainly on the D.

This team is allergic to winning when things aren't going perfectly well.

Some people would say "IF CMC doesn't fumble OR Moody doesn't miss OR Purdy doesn't throw two interceptions OR the defense just gets one early 3rd down stop…" I say if one stupid little mistake is enough to mentally unravel this team, then they're not contenders. You're supposed to win games that don't go well and overcome bad critical moments, not just create more bad critical moments.

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
This was one of those games where, whenever we built any momentum, it was taken away by something stupid.

But putting this loss mainly on the D.

we were never in this game after the 1st QTR..... it's just one of those days..

GAME OVER.. MOVE ON ..

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

It was another game where you could point to a single mistake erased being the difference between a win or loss.

McCaffrey fumble in scoring postion.
Moody missed FG.
Brock 2 picks.
The ridiculous fluke INT turned to TD.
Offense delay of game having to call time out early 2nd half, giving us only 2 later in the game.
Wilks got absolutely embarrassed on multiple third and long defensive calls.

Brock is starting to look a lot like college Brock lately. Makes some really good plays, and then some really confusing ones.

Brock is the least of our worries. I don't believe this team is mentally tough enough when things don't go their way. Turnovers seem to completely demoralize them and rejuvenate the opponent.

Momentum matters, they got it, lost it immediately, and were lost the rest of the game.

We've gotten so used to playing with leads, it's like the team forgot how to battle back. They look riddled with confusion and anxiety trying to play from behind.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It was another game where you could point to a single mistake erased being the difference between a win or loss.

McCaffrey fumble in scoring postion.
Moody missed FG.
Brock 2 picks.
The ridiculous fluke INT turned to TD.
Offense delay of game having to call time out early 2nd half, giving us only 2 later in the game.
Wilks got absolutely embarrassed on multiple third and long defensive calls.

Brock is starting to look a lot like college Brock lately. Makes some really good plays, and then some really confusing ones.

Brock is the least of our worries. I don't believe this team is mentally tough enough when things don't go their way. Turnovers seem to completely demoralize them and rejuvenate the opponent.

Momentum matters, they got it, lost it immediately, and were lost the rest of the game.

We've gotten so used to playing with leads, it's like the team forgot how to battle back. They look riddled with confusion and anxiety trying to play from behind.

Exactly! And if we're expecting to lead every second of every playoff game, then this team is in for a world of hurt.

We need a team that actually has mental strength and a pair like the Chiefs. Doesn't matter if they're down 20. They still win by 20.

Mentally weak teams don't win Super Bowls, and neither will this team.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

It was another game where you could point to a single mistake erased being the difference between a win or loss.

McCaffrey fumble in scoring postion.
Moody missed FG.
Brock 2 picks.
The ridiculous fluke INT turned to TD.
Offense delay of game having to call time out early 2nd half, giving us only 2 later in the game.
Wilks got absolutely embarrassed on multiple third and long defensive calls.

Brock is starting to look a lot like college Brock lately. Makes some really good plays, and then some really confusing ones.

Brock is the least of our worries. I don't believe this team is mentally tough enough when things don't go their way. Turnovers seem to completely demoralize them and rejuvenate the opponent.

Momentum matters, they got it, lost it immediately, and were lost the rest of the game.

We've gotten so used to playing with leads, it's like the team forgot how to battle back. They look riddled with confusion and anxiety trying to play from behind.

Exactly! And if we're expecting to lead every second of every playoff game, then this team is in for a world of hurt.

We need a team that actually has mental strength and a pair like the Chiefs. Doesn't matter if they're down 20. They still win by 20.

Mentally weak teams don't win Super Bowls, and neither will this team.

It's funny, cause with Jimmy, the D expected to have to hold a lot more because he wasn't gonna play mistake free football very often, nor put up a ton of points. Brock still has to do his job, but I wonder if the team went so hardcore all in, they've put all the pressure on Brock to do it all.

Our run game was stuffed and our defense was trash. Once guys got blanketed, Brock started forcing things.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by IrishCrnjo:

Originally posted by JimA49ers:
CMC's fumble - One Niner hit's the ball away from CMC so he couldn't recover his own fumble - turnover rather than TD. 7 points
Moody's FG miss - 3 points
Ward not tackling and giving up a TD right before the half. Even if caught, time would have expired and no points.7 points
Tick-Tacky interference calls (as usual)
No QB pressure. And the one time they did have 4 defenders all over cousin's, he still throws and manages a huge gain.
3rd down conversions galore

First three items is a 17 point sway. This easily should have been a victory.

The 2 losses, the Niners were in position to win it at the very end, but Moody's miss against the browns, and Purdy's interception put the kibosh on them.

It might be a good sign that we were even that close, with as many things that went wrong in the game. But the Vikings are not even a good team.

Yeah, we have injuries, but every team has injuries. The Vikings were without JJ and Cousins still threw for 799 yards.

Vikings left points on the board as well. Kicked a FG from the 2 that could have easily been a TD, missed a FG at the end, and missed an XP. Can't just look at it from our standpoint.

Yeah well, let them defend their own mistakes. Obviously the Niners need help defending.....

Why is the front four not getting pressure like last year? It should be better. Is it Wilk's scheme?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
This was one of those games where, whenever we built any momentum, it was taken away by something stupid.

But putting this loss mainly on the D.

This team is allergic to winning when things aren't going perfectly well.

Some people would say "IF CMC doesn't fumble OR Moody doesn't miss OR Purdy doesn't throw two interceptions OR the defense just gets one early 3rd down stop…" I say if one stupid little mistake is enough to mentally unravel this team, then they're not contenders. You're supposed to win games that don't go well and overcome bad critical moments, not just create more bad critical moments.

Well said. agreed!