Is Wilks trying to transition us to a Hybrid 3-4 Defense (4-3 under)?

There was one play this past game that i saw Bosa in coverage. I wonder if we were in that 5-2 front or we just blitzed and Bosa dropped in coverage.
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Originally posted by miked1978:
Correct me if i'm wrong but even though Hargrave played NT with the Steelers he didn't become "great" until he was a DT in a 4-3.

That's fair to say, but also it's hard for a NT to be considered "great" just because of the nature of the position. Tying up 2 blockers helps out others, but doesn't show up on the stat sheet. He was also a bit undersized to be a true 3-4 NT, but still held up - which is why his run defense being so bad now is surprising to me.

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Originally posted by miked1978:
Correct me if i'm wrong but even though Hargrave played NT with the Steelers he didn't become "great" until he was a DT in a 4-3.

Great as an interior pass rush not so much as a run stuffer.

Outside of wrinkles it is a terrible idea.

But if they go a 3-4 look Bosa should be inside and AA should be the nose. So it would look like
Gregory...Bosa...AA...Hargraves...Young

AA can drive his man back giving Hargraves and Bosa 2 ways with Gregory and Young protecting them from double teams. It would allow Gregory/Young to drop into shorter zones to pick up any late release routes. Also you can drop Bosa or AA as traps.

But Young and Gregory will HAVE to wreck any route from a TE or RB on their side if they are rushing.

They do not have the size, so it will have to be a penetrating front. Blowing the play up in the backfield to let Warner, Dre, Gipson and Hufanga clean it up.

NO! wide nine, whatever that is I want it haha, not X and O guy but if wide 9 is what got us to the verge of the promise land than wide 9 it shall be.

I heard a report Wilkes was still learning our system. Which is it cuz if he's changing things a learning curve is expected.

Those 5-man fronts only worked against the Giants and no, we don't have the personnel to run a 3-4 D.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Outside of wrinkles it is a terrible idea.

But if they go a 3-4 look Bosa should be inside and AA should be the nose. So it would look like
Gregory...Bosa...AA...Hargraves...Young

AA can drive his man back giving Hargraves and Bosa 2 ways with Gregory and Young protecting them from double teams. It would allow Gregory/Young to drop into shorter zones to pick up any late release routes. Also you can drop Bosa or AA as traps.

But Young and Gregory will HAVE to wreck any route from a TE or RB on their side if they are rushing.

They do not have the size, so it will have to be a penetrating front. Blowing the play up in the backfield to let Warner, Dre, Gipson and Hufanga clean it up.

What?

Dude you need a 6-1, 330-lb NT to run a 3-4 D so no, Armstead wouldn't be that guy. He can play as a DE on that defense tho.

About Bosa you don't want to have a 260-lb lineman lined against a 330-lb guard. In fact Bosa would be a terrible fit for a 3-4 defense because he wouldn't be efective playing inside and he would be wasted as an OLB.

To run a 3-4 D you need 2 freakish OLB's that can rush the passer because on that D they are the pass rushers. Basically you need Aldon Smith and Von Miller to make that defense work.

Also you need a couple of 250-lb ILB's to take on blocks.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
What?

Dude you need a 6-1, 330-lb NT to run a 3-4 D so no, Armstead wouldn't be that guy. He can play as a DE on that defense tho.

About Bosa you don't want to have a 260-lb lineman lined against a 330-lb guard. In fact Bosa would be a terrible fit for a 3-4 defense because he wouldn't be efective playing inside and he would be wasted as an OLB.

To run a 3-4 D you need 2 freakish OLB's that can rush the passer because on that D they are the pass rushers. Basically you need Aldon Smith and Von Miller to make that defense work.

Also you need a couple of 250-lb ILB's to take on blocks.

I am talking a Penetrating 5 man front. You are talking about a 2 gap 3-4.

AA would be perfect for THAT role. He will not be stuffing double teams, his job would be to drive the center into the backfield. He can do that very well while maintaining a decent run fit on both sides and protecting the 2nd level.

Bosa will be lined up 1v1 over a G outside shade. If you think he can not hold up, you must think your average G is better than Trent Williams.

Aldon smith and Von Miller? No you need players who can drop into a zone as well as rush the passer. Boom, they just got Chase Young and Randy Gregory.

And they CAN NOT be blocked by your average TE, so they eliminate doubling Bosa/Hargraves with the OT.
Thus eliminating the requirement for your LBers needing to take on blockers.

And you miss the most important part of my post, a wrinkle. A 3-4(5 man front) look to change the rules.
You have AAs length affecting short middle passing.
Young/Gregory/Bosa can drop in to the flat hook to stop checkdowns, and maybe get picks on hot routes.

You could even go Hargraves at NT, Young at DE, and Dre at OLB, with Hufanga coming down to the other LB position.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
What?

Dude you need a 6-1, 330-lb NT to run a 3-4 D so no, Armstead wouldn't be that guy. He can play as a DE on that defense tho.

About Bosa you don't want to have a 260-lb lineman lined against a 330-lb guard. In fact Bosa would be a terrible fit for a 3-4 defense because he wouldn't be efective playing inside and he would be wasted as an OLB.

To run a 3-4 D you need 2 freakish OLB's that can rush the passer because on that D they are the pass rushers. Basically you need Aldon Smith and Von Miller to make that defense work.

Also you need a couple of 250-lb ILB's to take on blocks.

I am talking a Penetrating 5 man front. You are talking about a 2 gap 3-4.

AA would be perfect for THAT role. He will not be stuffing double teams, his job would be to drive the center into the backfield. He can do that very well while maintaining a decent run fit on both sides and protecting the 2nd level.

Bosa will be lined up 1v1 over a G outside shade. If you think he can not hold up, you must think your average G is better than Trent Williams.

Aldon smith and Von Miller? No you need players who can drop into a zone as well as rush the passer. Boom, they just got Chase Young and Randy Gregory.

And they CAN NOT be blocked by your average TE, so they eliminate doubling Bosa/Hargraves with the OT.
Thus eliminating the requirement for your LBers needing to take on blockers.

And you miss the most important part of my post, a wrinkle. A 3-4(5 man front) look to change the rules.
You have AAs length affecting short middle passing.
Young/Gregory/Bosa can drop in to the flat hook to stop checkdowns, and maybe get picks on hot routes.

You could even go Hargraves at NT, Young at DE, and Dre at OLB, with Hufanga coming down to the other LB position.

Ya not even close

Bottom line is Wilks is an idiot that has screwed us thus far this season. We beat the Vikings if it weren't for one of the worst defensive play calls I've ever seen in my life at the end of the first half. And Joe Burrow completing like 100% of his passes and us never being able to get off the field on third down because of terrible play calls with soft zone coverage is why we've lost games.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
What?

Dude you need a 6-1, 330-lb NT to run a 3-4 D so no, Armstead wouldn't be that guy. He can play as a DE on that defense tho.

About Bosa you don't want to have a 260-lb lineman lined against a 330-lb guard. In fact Bosa would be a terrible fit for a 3-4 defense because he wouldn't be efective playing inside and he would be wasted as an OLB.

To run a 3-4 D you need 2 freakish OLB's that can rush the passer because on that D they are the pass rushers. Basically you need Aldon Smith and Von Miller to make that defense work.

Also you need a couple of 250-lb ILB's to take on blocks.

I am talking a Penetrating 5 man front. You are talking about a 2 gap 3-4.

AA would be perfect for THAT role. He will not be stuffing double teams, his job would be to drive the center into the backfield. He can do that very well while maintaining a decent run fit on both sides and protecting the 2nd level.

Bosa will be lined up 1v1 over a G outside shade. If you think he can not hold up, you must think your average G is better than Trent Williams.

Aldon smith and Von Miller? No you need players who can drop into a zone as well as rush the passer. Boom, they just got Chase Young and Randy Gregory.

And they CAN NOT be blocked by your average TE, so they eliminate doubling Bosa/Hargraves with the OT.
Thus eliminating the requirement for your LBers needing to take on blockers.

And you miss the most important part of my post, a wrinkle. A 3-4(5 man front) look to change the rules.
You have AAs length affecting short middle passing.
Young/Gregory/Bosa can drop in to the flat hook to stop checkdowns, and maybe get picks on hot routes.

You could even go Hargraves at NT, Young at DE, and Dre at OLB, with Hufanga coming down to the other LB position.

Naw bruh