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Scenario: Wilks is fired. You're the DC now. How do you fix things?

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Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
In this hypothetical scenario, Wilks was just fired during the bye week, and you are the new defensive coordinator. We just opened the practice windows for Darrell Luter & Samuel Womack. Outside of those potential additions, all you have to work with is the rest of the current roster.

What changes do you make that get us back on track to being a dominant defense again?

I'll start with mine:

1) Whenever Young or Bosa sub out, I move Armstead to the edge. It's always a challenge for him to play with great leverage inside and he would be much better at setting the edge than anyone else not named Chase Young or Nick Bosa. Who takes his spot inside? I address that in point #2. I really don't think this makes much of a difference. We need AA to play better in the middle point blank.

2) I increase the snaps of Kevin Givens. He actually has performed fairly well when given an opportunity lately and I think is underrated. Ok with more snaps but he's not a run stuffer and will get pushed around on the inside. this will make the run defense worse in my opinion. what happened to ty mcgill or kalia davis? This is really on KS and JL for not having a run stuffer on the roster.

3) Play Womack outside and Lenoir inside in nickel situations. Womack is supposedly better in press than in zone. If he falters, at that point we need to consider trying Ji'Ayir Brown in a Jimmie Ward type of role in the slot. Either way, Oliver must go to the bench. He's been exposed as a weakness that teams can way too easily attack repeatedly. i'm cool with this, Womack and Luter are question marks and it's time to see what they have. Maybe Womack is better at nickel and Lenior stays on the outside. Luter is an outside CB. I don't see Brown playing the slot. Just get Oliver off the field.

4) Throw the 5-man fronts into the trash can and never use them again. It has value and isn't that big of a deal or problem. It's not like it's something they use a lot or as a base defense. If that was true I'd agree. They need to run more stunts. DR was great at having unbalanced d line set with different guys stunting and twisting. more a gap blitzes and safety blitzes. Stop telegraphing CB slot blitz.

5) STOP playing off-man on short to medium distance. For the life of me I cannot understand why you'd offer a 7-yard cushion on 2nd or 3rd and 2 to go. Regardless of distance, our guys do not have the foot speed/quickness to break on the ball fast enough, especially with such massive cushions. Agreed.

I would add that dude has to stop being so extremely vanilla. Can we see an adjustment before half time? Need to put Huf in the box more on 1st downs to stop teams from picking up 5/6 yards running the ball up the gut. At times our linebackers are dropping so deep in there zones that they are just leaving too much space in the middle of the field. I dont' see any hunger or fire from the players. where is the leadership? Where is the fight drive and want too. That's on the players. Find a spark and get back on track. Even with a terrible DC these guys should be playing much better and not making a lot of bad mistakes.

The biggest issue with the 5-man fronts is them being used as a pass-rushing set. If it's a surefire run situation, then sure. But I never want to see this formation come out on third down. It's been discussed quite a bit how this setup hampers the ability of every guy out there to utilize their pass rush creativity due to the lack of space. As someone else mentioned, we'd be far better off going with more odd fronts to create some isolation and stunt opportunities.

To one of your points, I agree that we should consider bringing up McGill or seeing what Kalia Davis can do inside. Perhaps we'll see him this week if Kinlaw is out hurt.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Nov 7, 2023 at 10:21 AM ]
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Originally posted by 9moon:
I would stay with the base 4-3 (Tampa Two) and unleash the Horn Frogs' 4-2-5 scheme on passing situations.

Just like the Giants' Speed Four (that got the Patriots in their 1st Super Bowl match up), I'll have..

YOUNG - HARGRAVE - BOSA - NORMAN (sub w/Ferrell) all DEs rushing the passer.

Then will have Warner and Huff (hybrid SS/LB)

Huh. First, who is Norman? Second, you say all DEs but include Hargrave. I don't know what you are talking about it.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I would stay with the base 4-3 (Tampa Two) and unleash the Horn Frogs' 4-2-5 scheme on passing situations.

Just like the Giants' Speed Four (that got the Patriots in their 1st Super Bowl match up), I'll have..

YOUNG - HARGRAVE - BOSA - NORMAN (sub w/Ferrell) all DEs rushing the passer.

Then will have Warner and Huff (hybrid SS/LB)

Huh. First, who is Norman? Second, you say all DEs but include Hargrave. I don't know what you are talking about it.

I pictured it as Josh Norman
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I rehire Wilks

Originally posted by English:
I bring in Ronnie Lott to deal with it.

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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I would stay with the base 4-3 (Tampa Two) and unleash the Horn Frogs' 4-2-5 scheme on passing situations.

Just like the Giants' Speed Four (that got the Patriots in their 1st Super Bowl match up), I'll have..

YOUNG - HARGRAVE - BOSA - NORMAN (sub w/Ferrell) all DEs rushing the passer.

Then will have Warner and Huff (hybrid SS/LB)

Huh. First, who is Norman? Second, you say all DEs but include Hargrave. I don't know what you are talking about it.

Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I would stay with the base 4-3 (Tampa Two) and unleash the Horn Frogs' 4-2-5 scheme on passing situations.

Just like the Giants' Speed Four (that got the Patriots in their 1st Super Bowl match up), I'll have..

YOUNG - HARGRAVE - BOSA - NORMAN (sub w/Ferrell) all DEs rushing the passer.

Then will have Warner and Huff (hybrid SS/LB)

Huh. First, who is Norman? Second, you say all DEs but include Hargrave. I don't know what you are talking about it.

Neither does he
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Schematically I would get back to using more coverage disguises in an attempt to force the QB to hold the ball a tick longer. This means having a very static presnap look - two safeties back. Then at the snap, rotate into the coverage. I don't know how often Wilks is doing this, but he should do it a lot. Just start with two safeties back regardless of playing two deep or single high.

Get Hufanga into the box more often on early downs to help stop the run.

On passing downs, highlight Bosa by giving him isolated 1v1s via alignment.

Between Kinlaw, Givens, and McGill, play the two that best stop the run - sit the one that doesn't.

Come up with a motto for the defense as a rallying cry. Saleh was 'all gas, no breaks'. Ryans was S.W.A.R.M, an acronym for something I forget. Perhaps "punch them in the dick", or "bite them in the ass". Something like that, but not as stupid.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I would stay with the base 4-3 (Tampa Two) and unleash the Horn Frogs' 4-2-5 scheme on passing situations.

Just like the Giants' Speed Four (that got the Patriots in their 1st Super Bowl match up), I'll have..

YOUNG - HARGRAVE - BOSA - NORMAN (sub w/Ferrell) all DEs rushing the passer.

Then will have Warner and Huff (hybrid SS/LB)

Huh. First, who is Norman? Second, you say all DEs but include Hargrave. I don't know what you are talking about it.

Yeah, sorry about that.. I meant to say Randy Greggory ... not sure either where Norman came from ... lol..

as for Hargrave, he's just always on my mind since he's been our best DL thus far..
Originally posted by thl408:
Schematically I would get back to using more coverage disguises in an attempt to force the QB to hold the ball a tick longer. This means having a very static presnap look - two safeties back. Then at the snap, rotate into the coverage. I don't know how often Wilks is doing this, but he should do it a lot. Just start with two safeties back regardless of playing two deep or single high.

Get Hufanga into the box more often on early downs to help stop the run.

On passing downs, highlight Bosa by giving him isolated 1v1s via alignment.

Between Kinlaw, Givens, and McGill, play the two that best stop the run - sit the one that doesn't.

Come up with a motto for the defense as a rallying cry. Saleh was 'all gas, no breaks'. Ryans was S.W.A.R.M, an acronym for something I forget. Perhaps "punch them in the dick", or "bite them in the ass". Something like that, but not as stupid.

Now how do we get your resume to Kyle and John?
First and foremost " If it works, don't fix it".
Just because you're the new DC doesn't mean you have to change things! If things were working to begin with, it will only go downhill if you insist's on doing things your way!
If I were the new DC, I would certainly talk to my EXPERIENCED players and get their feedback on what was working and feedback on how to fix things that weren't working too well.
Work with those until they start to break down, THEN try and find new schemes to try and fix it.
BTW: Wilks, what were his credentials? Too timid?

... and Shanahan? I think he's getting too predictable and working CM way too much!
[ Edited by Kauaiguy on Nov 7, 2023 at 12:26 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Schematically I would get back to using more coverage disguises in an attempt to force the QB to hold the ball a tick longer. This means having a very static presnap look - two safeties back. Then at the snap, rotate into the coverage. I don't know how often Wilks is doing this, but he should do it a lot. Just start with two safeties back regardless of playing two deep or single high.

Get Hufanga into the box more often on early downs to help stop the run.

On passing downs, highlight Bosa by giving him isolated 1v1s via alignment.

Between Kinlaw, Givens, and McGill, play the two that best stop the run - sit the one that doesn't.

Come up with a motto for the defense as a rallying cry. Saleh was 'all gas, no breaks'. Ryans was S.W.A.R.M, an acronym for something I forget. Perhaps "punch them in the dick", or "bite them in the ass". Something like that, but not as stupid.

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2) @ The Bolded
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Schematically I would get back to using more coverage disguises in an attempt to force the QB to hold the ball a tick longer. This means having a very static presnap look - two safeties back. Then at the snap, rotate into the coverage. I don't know how often Wilks is doing this, but he should do it a lot. Just start with two safeties back regardless of playing two deep or single high.

Get Hufanga into the box more often on early downs to help stop the run.

On passing downs, highlight Bosa by giving him isolated 1v1s via alignment.

Between Kinlaw, Givens, and McGill, play the two that best stop the run - sit the one that doesn't.

Come up with a motto for the defense as a rallying cry. Saleh was 'all gas, no breaks'. Ryans was S.W.A.R.M, an acronym for something I forget. Perhaps "punch them in the dick", or "bite them in the ass". Something like that, but not as stupid.

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2) @ The Bolded

how about, you guys get home and be the hero, or I'm calling zero
I'd be pretty flabbergasted and baffled if any nfl team called me in to work on their coaching staff
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
I'd be pretty flabbergasted and baffled if any nfl team called me in to work on their coaching staff

Not only are we armchair QBs and armchair GMs but now we are also armchair coordinators!!! Our resumes are growing by the day.

I find it funny that almost everyone benches Oliver for Womack which i completely understand but at the same time Wilks hasn't gotten to use Womack bc he's been on IR. Just a little ironic.

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