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Week 10 @ JAX coaches film analysis
Nov 14, 2023 at 10:28 AM
- jonnydel
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Nov 14, 2023 at 11:18 AM
- jed_X
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It seems like we threw less 10-15yards middle of the field passes this game. Is that an adjustment shanahan did since that's what giving brock problems for the past 3 games?
Nov 14, 2023 at 11:39 AM
- YACBros85
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Originally posted by jed_X:
It seems like we threw less 10-15yards middle of the field passes this game. Is that an adjustment shanahan did since that's what giving brock problems for the past 3 games?
Brock's spray chart suggests so.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Nov 14, 2023 at 11:40 AM ]
Nov 14, 2023 at 12:37 PM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by jed_X:
It seems like we threw less 10-15yards middle of the field passes this game. Is that an adjustment shanahan did since that's what giving brock problems for the past 3 games?
I think it was more gameplan specific. They worked on moving the launch point a number of times this game a more bubble screens
Nov 15, 2023 at 3:57 AM
- Afrikan
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That Purdy blaze out pass to Aiyuk on 3rd and 9 is all the arm strength you need from a QB imo... if Purdy continues to hit those kinds of passes, I'm set.
Also hilarious on that Juice TD... the cornerback and Safety holding hands while watching Juice wide open. 😆
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Also hilarious on that Juice TD... the cornerback and Safety holding hands while watching Juice wide open. 😆
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[ Edited by Afrikan on Nov 15, 2023 at 4:03 AM ]
Nov 15, 2023 at 9:47 AM
- thl408
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Good breakdown of the creeper blitz. I think Wilks can get really creative with how he wants to bring 4 rushers. Offenses will compensate for having to go against two dynamic edge rushers and Wilks can use that to his advantage by making the OL slide the wrong way, away from where an overload rush would be. Exactly like how you broke it down.
On one play, it was a five man front with five guys hand in the dirt. Wilks drops Ferrell into coverage and he does a poor job playing the passing lane on a slant (dropped straight back instead of buzz to the flat). Point is, Wilks got really creative coming out of the bye week.
I notice more teams are dropping 8 into coverage to disrupt the 49ers passing game the past few weeks. In this game, I remember it happening at least twice. I think one resulted in a sack, and the other was the throw to Kittle up the left seam.
On one play, it was a five man front with five guys hand in the dirt. Wilks drops Ferrell into coverage and he does a poor job playing the passing lane on a slant (dropped straight back instead of buzz to the flat). Point is, Wilks got really creative coming out of the bye week.
I notice more teams are dropping 8 into coverage to disrupt the 49ers passing game the past few weeks. In this game, I remember it happening at least twice. I think one resulted in a sack, and the other was the throw to Kittle up the left seam.
Nov 15, 2023 at 9:58 AM
- BoldRedandGold
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Originally posted by thl408:
Good breakdown of the creeper blitz. I think Wilks can get really creative with how he wants to bring 4 rushers. Offenses will compensate for having to go against two dynamic edge rushers and Wilks can use that to his advantage by making the OL slide the wrong way, away from where an overload rush would be. Exactly like how you broke it down.
On one play, it was a five man front with five guys hand in the dirt. Wilks drops Ferrell into coverage and he does a poor job playing the passing lane on a slant (dropped straight back instead of buzz to the flat). Point is, Wilks got really creative coming out of the bye week.
I notice more teams are dropping 8 into coverage to disrupt the 49ers passing game the past few weeks. In this game, I remember it happening at least twice. I think one resulted in a sack, and the other was the throw to Kittle up the left seam.
We should run more screens. We actually seem fairly successful with them and I like that if you run them quickly in motion it requires a tremendous amount of movement to stop. Could tire out the defense on screens alone.
If they are going to keep dropping 8 and taking away the deep ball we might as well.
I suspect a lot of the dropping into coverage is teams realizing Brock is good against the blitz and it won't work and our line is so bad they can get good pressure with 3-4 and still make it difficult.
Nov 15, 2023 at 10:15 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by thl408:
Good breakdown of the creeper blitz. I think Wilks can get really creative with how he wants to bring 4 rushers. Offenses will compensate for having to go against two dynamic edge rushers and Wilks can use that to his advantage by making the OL slide the wrong way, away from where an overload rush would be. Exactly like how you broke it down.
On one play, it was a five man front with five guys hand in the dirt. Wilks drops Ferrell into coverage and he does a poor job playing the passing lane on a slant (dropped straight back instead of buzz to the flat). Point is, Wilks got really creative coming out of the bye week.
I notice more teams are dropping 8 into coverage to disrupt the 49ers passing game the past few weeks. In this game, I remember it happening at least twice. I think one resulted in a sack, and the other was the throw to Kittle up the left seam.
We should run more screens. We actually seem fairly successful with them and I like that if you run them quickly in motion it requires a tremendous amount of movement to stop. Could tire out the defense on screens alone.
If they are going to keep dropping 8 and taking away the deep ball we might as well.
I suspect a lot of the dropping into coverage is teams realizing Brock is good against the blitz and it won't work and our line is so bad they can get good pressure with 3-4 and still make it difficult.
Defenses are dropping 8 into coverage to take away the short and intermediate area. Clog things up and force Brock to hold it longer than he wants towhile preying on the 49ers suspect pass protection, hoping they can get pressure with 3.
Nov 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by thl408:
Good breakdown of the creeper blitz. I think Wilks can get really creative with how he wants to bring 4 rushers. Offenses will compensate for having to go against two dynamic edge rushers and Wilks can use that to his advantage by making the OL slide the wrong way, away from where an overload rush would be. Exactly like how you broke it down.
On one play, it was a five man front with five guys hand in the dirt. Wilks drops Ferrell into coverage and he does a poor job playing the passing lane on a slant (dropped straight back instead of buzz to the flat). Point is, Wilks got really creative coming out of the bye week.
I notice more teams are dropping 8 into coverage to disrupt the 49ers passing game the past few weeks. In this game, I remember it happening at least twice. I think one resulted in a sack, and the other was the throw to Kittle up the left seam.
We should run more screens. We actually seem fairly successful with them and I like that if you run them quickly in motion it requires a tremendous amount of movement to stop. Could tire out the defense on screens alone.
If they are going to keep dropping 8 and taking away the deep ball we might as well.
I suspect a lot of the dropping into coverage is teams realizing Brock is good against the blitz and it won't work and our line is so bad they can get good pressure with 3-4 and still make it difficult.
Defenses are dropping 8 into coverage to take away the short and intermediate area. Clog things up and force Brock to hold it longer than he wants towhile preying on the 49ers suspect pass protection, hoping they can get pressure with 3.
I think it's also the league kind of borrowing from Lou Amaruno from Cincy. He's 8 man coverage really effectively against KC, BUF and other prolific offenses and shown how to effectively use it while not just covering grass.
I remember under Mangini us dropping 8 into coverage like 3x a game and each time allowing guys to be wide open.
Nov 15, 2023 at 1:59 PM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
I think it's also the league kind of borrowing from Lou Amaruno from Cincy. He's 8 man coverage really effectively against KC, BUF and other prolific offenses and shown how to effectively use it while not just covering grass.
I remember under Mangini us dropping 8 into coverage like 3x a game and each time allowing guys to be wid
The way i would imagine doing it against the bills, chiefs, ravens, etc is a standard pattern match cover 4 but with 2 defenders cleaning up outlet routes to their side while spying the QB.
For this when i say roll i mean a scramble, not a designed roll out.
And borrowing from soccer zone defense rotations, when the QB rolls left or right the roll side spy steps up to the QB with the backside spy rotating to the middle to find the player who is coming back for the ball.
And the backside deep 1/4 coming in for the intermediate middle(switching a DB to a cover 2 backside keeping roll side C4).
Allowing the 2 middle underneath to rotate to the roll side.
And if you are worried about screens setup to go backside after a roll out, the rushing DE/DT can just drop into a flat type coverage when the QB leaves the pocket so you do not have 2 trying to chase.
It masks pass rushers and can overload one side, while making hot routes very dangerous to throw, forcing the QB to hold to allow your rushers to get home.
Then It floods the side the QB scrambles to with pass(run) defenders, puts a rusher immediately in the QBs face, and has a designed deep defender to account for the 60yd bomb back across the field.
Nov 15, 2023 at 2:08 PM
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Originally posted by jdt84_2:
The way i would imagine doing it against the bills, chiefs, ravens, etc is a standard patter field.
If you read it and think it is stupid, sorry.
I just like the idea of not letting Mahomes or Jackson win the edge and have the sideline, so you have a defender who's job it is to make them run back into the center. While flooding that area with 3 LBs and a DB. Allowing your now 3 deep defenders to solely worry about the deep pass. And your 3 rushers to pin their ears back and not worry about containment.
Nov 16, 2023 at 5:49 PM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
The way i would imagine doing it against the bills, chiefs, ravens, etc is a standard patter field.
If you read it and think it is stupid, sorry.
I just like the idea of not letting Mahomes or Jackson win the edge and have the sideline, so you have a defender who's job it is to make them run back into the center. While flooding that area with 3 LBs and a DB. Allowing your now 3 deep defenders to solely worry about the deep pass. And your 3 rushers to pin their ears back and not worry about containment.
The way Anarumo and Gannon play it is more like a palms with 2 3 receiver hook defenders.
So if the inside receiver goes vertical, they carry to a depth, then pass off and look to sit in the throwing lane. They match any in breaker and deliver an out breaker.
If I could diagram it out, it would probably make a lot more sense.
This, mixed with the Palms rules allows for a way to match most concepts.
Nov 16, 2023 at 5:59 PM
- Waterbear
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I can't remember the last time another 49ers QB hit a throw like Purdy did to Kittle. The deep wheel route, right? One of his best in his career.
Nov 16, 2023 at 6:05 PM
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
I can't remember the last time another 49ers QB hit a throw like Purdy did to Kittle. The deep wheel route, right? One of his best in his career.
Should answer any questions about his arm strength.
Nov 16, 2023 at 6:30 PM
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
I can't remember the last time another 49ers QB hit a throw like Purdy did to Kittle. The deep wheel route, right? One of his best in his career.
Should answer any questions about his arm strength.
Pure arm strength is overrated. But knowing your body and the footwork required to throw deep is more important. I never thought Garcia had a great arm, but his feet and movement were constantly so active he knew how to launch them.
Purdy threw that ball flat footed, which was impressive, but it wasn't thrown that far. Big I still think that throw is more impressive than a longer one where he could use his feet.