Week 10 @ JAX coaches film analysis

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I said he is fine, never said he is a star. Did you read?

Never said you said he was a star. You did suggest i was judging him by one poor game. That is incorrect.

I see Burford and Lenoir as the teams two biggest liability's right now. Thomas might also be one if given more time to be picked on. Gotta find mitigations for all of them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I said he is fine, never said he is a star. Did you read?

Never said you said he was a star. You did suggest i was judging him by one poor game. That is incorrect.

I see Burford and Lenoir as the teams two biggest liability's right now. Thomas might also be one if given more time to be picked on. Gotta find mitigations for all of them.

You said in one post about him giving up 100 yards last week. That was basically it in that post. What was I supposed to assume? You wanted me to defend that one game? Perhaps you can try name one player who doesn't have one bad game.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
You said in one post about him giving up 100 yards last week. That was basically it in that post. What was I supposed to assume? You wanted me to defend that one game? Perhaps you can try name one player who doesn't have one bad game.

But hes had more than one bad game. I was just citing what I didn't consider "fine" play with the most recent example.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
You said in one post about him giving up 100 yards last week. That was basically it in that post. What was I supposed to assume? You wanted me to defend that one game? Perhaps you can try name one player who doesn't have one bad game.

But hes had more than one bad game. I was just citing what I didn't consider "fine" play with the most recent example.

Again look at the whole season. I believe he is having a fine season. You can argue the whole defense have more than one bad game this season. Does that mean Fred, Bosa, Hargreaves, Greenlaw are all bad players?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I don't think looking a the stat for one week means much. Why not look at the whole season?

You could have looked at solely the Bengals game and conclude our whole defense is not talented.

Which game should I be impressed by? Only reason he doesn't have a TD against him is he PI'd Addison in the endzone. Bad PI vs the Giants. Fell down vs the Browns leading to their biggest play. Consistently beaten by the Rams receivers. Yah not seeing a season worth of good play.

Below average starter who can be improved upon. Lets see him and Womack compete inside.

I don't see Womack as a nickel in our system. It's why Thomas hasn't gotten time there.

Our Nickel is more of a safety type. They have to be physical in the run game because if we're in Tampa, he's out likely got to be the guy to clean up tackles over the short middle and is also your C gap filler in cover 3 amd force defender in cover 9.

Womack is more Tarrel Browns size and Jimmie Ward said the 49ers didn't like Womack's physicality from the slot.

That was Oliver's upside. He's a physical tackler but was getting picked on in man-cov.

If anything, it'll be Womack/Thomas battling for outside.

Also understand, you don't just move a guy with fewer starts around from outside to slot. He doesn't have the reps to bounce like Carlos Rogers did. He grew outside last year because he was allowed to be in a spot, stay there and grow.

Nickel and corner use different techniques, different drops, play leverage different, it's not interchangeable.

Thanks for the weekly breakdown, I always watch but I should post in here more.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I don't think looking a the stat for one week means much. Why not look at the whole season?

You could have looked at solely the Bengals game and conclude our whole defense is not talented.

Which game should I be impressed by? Only reason he doesn't have a TD against him is he PI'd Addison in the endzone. Bad PI vs the Giants. Fell down vs the Browns leading to their biggest play. Consistently beaten by the Rams receivers. Yah not seeing a season worth of good play.

Below average starter who can be improved upon. Lets see him and Womack compete inside.

I don't see Womack as a nickel in our system. It's why Thomas hasn't gotten time there.

Our Nickel is more of a safety type. They have to be physical in the run game because if we're in Tampa, he's out likely got to be the guy to clean up tackles over the short middle and is also your C gap filler in cover 3 amd force defender in cover 9.

Womack is more Tarrel Browns size and Jimmie Ward said the 49ers didn't like Womack's physicality from the slot.

That was Oliver's upside. He's a physical tackler but was getting picked on in man-cov.

If anything, it'll be Womack/Thomas battling for outside.

Also understand, you don't just move a guy with fewer starts around from outside to slot. He doesn't have the reps to bounce like Carlos Rogers did. He grew outside last year because he was allowed to be in a spot, stay there and grow.

Nickel and corner use different techniques, different drops, play leverage different, it's not interchangeable.

Agree. Lenoir is being put in a difficult situation. It is not like he has that much experience in the NFL. To have to move outside and the slot in a game is not an easy task. He has been doing a respectable job. I don't know why many Niner fans don't appreciate him more.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
You said in one post about him giving up 100 yards last week. That was basically it in that post. What was I supposed to assume? You wanted me to defend that one game? Perhaps you can try name one player who doesn't have one bad game.

But hes had more than one bad game. I was just citing what I didn't consider "fine" play with the most recent example.

What is your updated assessment based on the most recent example?