KS Scheme only talk please

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
do you NOT understand the point? ur NOT serious... are YOU??

Explain it

LIKE the Running Watters once asked... " FOR WHO ??? FOR WHAT ??? "

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. I'll just add tha Feliciano replacing Burford and whalla, the offense starts clicking. So it's more players problem than a scheme problem in my opinion.

Voila not Whalla.

Got me there Mr. Evil.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
do you NOT understand the point? ur NOT serious... are YOU??

Explain it

LIKE the Running Watters once asked... " FOR WHO ??? FOR WHAT ??? "

Why even bother, Illinois9er? This is the kind of response you get.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. I'll just add tha Feliciano replacing Burford and whalla, the offense starts clicking. So it's more players problem than a scheme problem in my opinion.

Voila not Whalla.

Got me there Mr. Evil.

Wasn't meant as a gotcha friend, was just a friendly little correction in the event you weren't aware of the correct spelling

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Kyle's scheme wasn't figured out in those losses. The D wasn't getting stops so the O couldn't get anything going. Poor field position and playing from behind aren't part of a winning formula.

Agreed. We lose games because of basic stuff: dumbass penalties on both sides of the ball, missing field goals, 0-blitzing Cousins with 7 secs before halftime etc.

Kyle's offense is fine.

Agree. I'll just add tha Feliciano replacing Burford and whalla, the offense starts clicking. So it's more players problem than a scheme problem in my opinion.

You are over simplifying sir

Football isn't rocket science sir.

It's actually pretty fing complicated, sir.

CAN somone tell KYLE to stop taking a page off of the RAMS game !!!!
it's SOOOO OBVIOUS that the ball is going Ravens' way, we need to run more... we need fine drive, NOT good looking plays !!!

Bumping this to discuss the direction Kyle will take the offensive scheme now that he has a proven QB.

With an obvious desire to upgrade the TE2 position (draft two in 2022, sign a TE to an offer sheet), it appears Kyle may be shifting to a two TE offense once Juice is phased out. Perhaps he will look for a FB, but that hasn't happened yet.

There are pros and cons with 2TEs versus TE/FB. High level explanation is that 2TEs is better for the passing game, while TE/FB is better for the run game. Being that a second TE is normally closer to the LoS and gets into his route faster than a FB from the backfield. Whereas a FB in the backfield is a 'moveable gap', and is better for the run game. It could be that Kyle is not phasing out the FB and simply wants the versatility to implement a gameplan that is either heavy on 2TEs, or heavy on TE/FB, and he changes it up based on the opponent.

With the league shift towards more two high safeties, the run game has become more important over the past couple years with the desire to run against 7 man boxes. There is a new defensive philosophy coming up, the 0 blitz look, first made popular and effective by Brian Flores in MIA. Crowd the LoS to discourage running the ball, while confusing OL pass blocking schemes by sending pass rushers from all parts of the field. We will see the new SEA head coach bring this philosophy from BAL. Kyle needs to plan for this via scheme and offensive personnel.

Kyle's "scheme" is based upon the WCO. Which was based, in part, on Air Coryell. Which was based, in part, by... Get the idea? Teams have been running this offense for decades. Nobody has "figured it out." But, there are teams that play defense better than others.

Shanahan's scheme is getting popular, but defenses are catching on. It's all about exploiting assignments, but when defenses mix it up, offense struggles. Need to mix it up ourselves to keep them guessing, especially against playoff teams!

Originally posted by AZNinerFaithful:
Shanahan's scheme is getting popular, but defenses are catching on. It's all about exploiting assignments, but when defenses mix it up, offense struggles. Need to mix it up ourselves to keep them guessing, especially against playoff teams!

Patrick Queens said it best there are "tells" where the ball goes and when the D knows this, unless you have a stout O line to allow time for plays to develope, your playing a dangerous game. The Ravens actually figured it out and had the players to stop it. Now Seattle has the D head coach to stop us. We are just waiting for the O line to get better, if it does.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by AZNinerFaithful:
Shanahan's scheme is getting popular, but defenses are catching on. It's all about exploiting assignments, but when defenses mix it up, offense struggles. Need to mix it up ourselves to keep them guessing, especially against playoff teams!

Patrick Queens said it best there are "tells" where the ball goes and when the D knows this, unless you have a stout O line to allow time for plays to develope, your playing a dangerous game. The Ravens actually figured it out and had the players to stop it. Now Seattle has the D head coach to stop us. We are just waiting for the O line to get better, if it does.

i say you place a bet

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by AZNinerFaithful:
Shanahan's scheme is getting popular, but defenses are catching on. It's all about exploiting assignments, but when defenses mix it up, offense struggles. Need to mix it up ourselves to keep them guessing, especially against playoff teams!

Patrick Queens said it best there are "tells" where the ball goes and when the D knows this, unless you have a stout O line to allow time for plays to develope, your playing a dangerous game. The Ravens actually figured it out and had the players to stop it. Now Seattle has the D head coach to stop us. We are just waiting for the O line to get better, if it does.

i say you place a bet

I did lol +900

Originally posted by thl408:
Bumping this to discuss the direction Kyle will take the offensive scheme now that he has a proven QB.

With an obvious desire to upgrade the TE2 position (draft two in 2022, sign a TE to an offer sheet), it appears Kyle may be shifting to a two TE offense once Juice is phased out. Perhaps he will look for a FB, but that hasn't happened yet.

There are pros and cons with 2TEs versus TE/FB. High level explanation is that 2TEs is better for the passing game, while TE/FB is better for the run game. Being that a second TE is normally closer to the LoS and gets into his route faster than a FB from the backfield. Whereas a FB in the backfield is a 'moveable gap', and is better for the run game. It could be that Kyle is not phasing out the FB and simply wants the versatility to implement a gameplan that is either heavy on 2TEs, or heavy on TE/FB, and he changes it up based on the opponent.

With the league shift towards more two high safeties, the run game has become more important over the past couple years with the desire to run against 7 man boxes. There is a new defensive philosophy coming up, the 0 blitz look, first made popular and effective by Brian Flores in MIA. Crowd the LoS to discourage running the ball, while confusing OL pass blocking schemes by sending pass rushers from all parts of the field. We will see the new SEA head coach bring this philosophy from BAL. Kyle needs to plan for this via scheme and offensive personnel.

I think you bring up some good points, but I am very interested in seeing how our offense would look under KS with multiple TE sets. I love the fact that we like to run the ball, but I also think deploring multiple TE sets can cause problems for a defense. If we had two TE's that could actually block as well as threaten a defense in the passing game it would be hard to stop our running game and open up our passing game.

With Kyles scheme becoming the league standard what will defensive coordinators scheme to attack it? Does it have any agreed upon weaknesses or is it roster specific etc? I know with WCO defenses went lighter and faster to mitigate the timing and short pass stuff back in the day. I wonder what the thinking is on that today?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
With Kyles scheme becoming the league standard what will defensive coordinators scheme to attack it? Does it have any agreed upon weaknesses or is it roster specific etc? I know with WCO defenses went lighter and faster to mitigate the timing and short pass stuff back in the day. I wonder what the thinking is on that today?

Every offensive tactic or style eventually gets figured out to some extent. Kyle's offense is based on his father's which dates back to the 90s. He's made adjustment to counter some of the new rules that make it easier to pass but he still likes a strong running game. Mike Shanahan designed his offnese around the Bill Walsh offense.

Offenses and defenses are always evolving to counter what each other is doing. Who knows what the next innovation will be but you can be sure there will be one both on offense and defense.