49ERS at EAGLES Pregame Thread - 2023 Season Week 13

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You are looking at it from a pure O line perspective? Do we need to invest heavily in the right side of the line? Absolutely. But by a per game basis when considering playcalling, system and QB. Brock has taken less hits, less sacks and less hurries per game than Jalen.

Sacks
Brock- 1.9 per game
Jalen- 2.6 per game

Hits
Brock- 0.8 per game
Jalen- 1.2 per game

Hurries
Brock- 5.6 per game
Jalen- 9.8 per game

How long does jalen hold the ball? Who has more time before being hurried/hit?

Idk the answer, just curious if jalens pocket stats are due to him holding onto the ball for a long time. The announced said that during the bills game and i was curious how true that is.

Yup. QB was a part of the equation. Jalen still struggles to read coverages and yet they keep calling more pass plays for him to get sacked and hit on.

Yeah, so when I've watched hurts drop back - I feel like his passing schemes are super simple. Don't get me wrong, he's made some awesome throws but if we can contain him on the ground (big if), I think we pick him off numerous times and he struggles against guys like ward and demo

in the NFCC, we were doing a great job in the passing game until the defense finally wore down because we couldn't do a damn thing on offense.

I'm just praying the weather isn't too bad because that'll be a huge equalizer for them (limits our passing game). If we are able to get some decent weather, I can see us scorching them through the air, which will open up the run game. I think that was our game plan in the NFCC but obviously we didn't have a qb

I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, so when I've watched hurts drop back - I feel like his passing schemes are super simple. Don't get me wrong, he's made some awesome throws but if we can contain him on the ground (big if), I think we pick him off numerous times and he struggles against guys like ward and demo

Watching JT O'Sullivan's last few breakdowns of them and I agree. Slant to AJ Brown, Out to AJ Brown, deep shot over and over. No complicated reads or route concepts. Looks like a basic college offense

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
I swear if the eagles end up beating chiefs bills AND niners

hand them the Lombardi asap and just end the season

Titles aren't won in the regular season. Just ask the 2007 Patriots.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You are looking at it from a pure O line perspective? Do we need to invest heavily in the right side of the line? Absolutely. But by a per game basis when considering playcalling, system and QB. Brock has taken less hits, less sacks and less hurries per game than Jalen.

Sacks
Brock- 1.9 per game
Jalen- 2.6 per game

Hits
Brock- 0.8 per game
Jalen- 1.2 per game

Hurries
Brock- 5.6 per game
Jalen- 9.8 per game

How long does jalen hold the ball? Who has more time before being hurried/hit?

Idk the answer, just curious if jalens pocket stats are due to him holding onto the ball for a long time. The announced said that during the bills game and i was curious how true that is.

Yup. QB was a part of the equation. Jalen still struggles to read coverages and yet they keep calling more pass plays for him to get sacked and hit on.

Yeah, so when I've watched hurts drop back - I feel like his passing schemes are super simple. Don't get me wrong, he's made some awesome throws but if we can contain him on the ground (big if), I think we pick him off numerous times and he struggles against guys like ward and demo

in the NFCC, we were doing a great job in the passing game until the defense finally wore down because we couldn't do a damn thing on offense.

I'm just praying the weather isn't too bad because that'll be a huge equalizer for them (limits our passing game). If we are able to get some decent weather, I can see us scorching them through the air, which will open up the run game. I think that was our game plan in the NFCC but obviously we didn't have a qb

I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

I love this.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, so when I've watched hurts drop back - I feel like his passing schemes are super simple. Don't get me wrong, he's made some awesome throws but if we can contain him on the ground (big if), I think we pick him off numerous times and he struggles against guys like ward and demo

Watching JT O'Sullivan's last few breakdowns of them and I agree. Slant to AJ Brown, Out to AJ Brown, deep shot over and over. No complicated reads or route concepts. Looks like a basic college offense

If you force him to play NFL level QB, he will s**t the bed. We held Jalen to 160 total yards on 36 total attempts in the championship. That is 4.4 yards per play.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, so when I've watched hurts drop back - I feel like his passing schemes are super simple. Don't get me wrong, he's made some awesome throws but if we can contain him on the ground (big if), I think we pick him off numerous times and he struggles against guys like ward and demo

Watching JT O'Sullivan's last few breakdowns of them and I agree. Slant to AJ Brown, Out to AJ Brown, deep shot over and over. No complicated reads or route concepts. Looks like a basic college offense

The deep shots is what I'm afraid of, highly likely they get a couple PI calls going their way on third and long situations.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You are looking at it from a pure O line perspective? Do we need to invest heavily in the right side of the line? Absolutely. But by a per game basis when considering playcalling, system and QB. Brock has taken less hits, less sacks and less hurries per game than Jalen.

Sacks
Brock- 1.9 per game
Jalen- 2.6 per game

Hits
Brock- 0.8 per game
Jalen- 1.2 per game

Hurries
Brock- 5.6 per game
Jalen- 9.8 per game

How long does jalen hold the ball? Who has more time before being hurried/hit?

Idk the answer, just curious if jalens pocket stats are due to him holding onto the ball for a long time. The announced said that during the bills game and i was curious how true that is.

Yup. QB was a part of the equation. Jalen still struggles to read coverages and yet they keep calling more pass plays for him to get sacked and hit on.

Yeah, so when I've watched hurts drop back - I feel like his passing schemes are super simple. Don't get me wrong, he's made some awesome throws but if we can contain him on the ground (big if), I think we pick him off numerous times and he struggles against guys like ward and demo

in the NFCC, we were doing a great job in the passing game until the defense finally wore down because we couldn't do a damn thing on offense.

I'm just praying the weather isn't too bad because that'll be a huge equalizer for them (limits our passing game). If we are able to get some decent weather, I can see us scorching them through the air, which will open up the run game. I think that was our game plan in the NFCC but obviously we didn't have a qb

I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

I love this.

idk, as many times Jalen has been sacked, he also gets away from a lot of sacks

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

this is a take
Hurts is a real one

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You are looking at it from a pure O line perspective? Do we need to invest heavily in the right side of the line? Absolutely. But by a per game basis when considering playcalling, system and QB. Brock has taken less hits, less sacks and less hurries per game than Jalen.

Sacks
Brock- 1.9 per game
Jalen- 2.6 per game

Hits
Brock- 0.8 per game
Jalen- 1.2 per game

Hurries
Brock- 5.6 per game
Jalen- 9.8 per game

How long does jalen hold the ball? Who has more time before being hurried/hit?

Idk the answer, just curious if jalens pocket stats are due to him holding onto the ball for a long time. The announced said that during the bills game and i was curious how true that is.

Yup. QB was a part of the equation. Jalen still struggles to read coverages and yet they keep calling more pass plays for him to get sacked and hit on.

Yeah, so when I've watched hurts drop back - I feel like his passing schemes are super simple. Don't get me wrong, he's made some awesome throws but if we can contain him on the ground (big if), I think we pick him off numerous times and he struggles against guys like ward and demo

in the NFCC, we were doing a great job in the passing game until the defense finally wore down because we couldn't do a damn thing on offense.

I'm just praying the weather isn't too bad because that'll be a huge equalizer for them (limits our passing game). If we are able to get some decent weather, I can see us scorching them through the air, which will open up the run game. I think that was our game plan in the NFCC but obviously we didn't have a qb

I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

i do too (except I don't think hurts would be benched here lol) He puts that o line in a lot of tough situations with his he hold onto the ball.Brock processes and reads the defenses really well.

what I don't understand is why some say Brock is a product of the talent/system around him, but not the same for hurts? Hurts team is STACKED too.

They have a good scheme, top notch o line (all pro center, pro bowl left guard, pro bowl tackle at worst), AJ brown, Devonta smith, Julio jones, Dallas goedert. Etc.

I think both are good but don't understand how some can say one is an mvp candidate and one's just lucky. Lol i think what Brock has done with this o line is incredible and if he had hurts o line - it would be even more impressive.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

this is a take
Hurts is a real one

Tell me how real he looked in that NFCCG?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:
I was looking at the daily lines on ESPN and the Niners are favored by 3 and since the home team gets 3 means the bookies feel we are really 6 pt favorites. I'm not sure how I feel about this. It's going to be interesting to see which way the betting goes leading up to the game. I don't bet on the games but I hope there are a lot of poor Eagles fans come Monday morning. LFG Niners!!!!!!

I have been telling all the eagles fans who have been talking smack on social media that if they are so confident than put your next paycheck on the game.

pls beat the iggles.

The Eagles have really benefited these past 2 weeks from the weather. Two high flying offenses with quarterbacks that have cannons were limited because of awful weather. They might luck out for a third week in a row.

the NFL gods are truly smiling down upon them…

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

this is a take
Hurts is a real one

Tell me how real he looked in that NFCCG?

He set the NFL record for single season rush TDs
they have a nigh unstoppable play, that revolves around him as ballcarrier
He's 24-2 this year and last
he went for 374 total yds and 4 scores in the SB
he was known to be less than 100 for the NFCCG and wasn't needed to do much of anything in that game
he finished 2 in the MVP voting last season

he's one of the single most valuable players in the NFL today, my guess is without him PHI is lost
indeed he missed time last year, and they went 0-2
that means as many losses in those 2 games, as they did in the last 26 with Hurts (regular season)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I feel like if you put Brock behind that eagles O line and Jalen behind the 49ers O line, Brock is running away with the MVP and Jalen is being benched for Sam Darnold.

this is a take
Hurts is a real one

Tell me how real he looked in that NFCCG?

He set the NFL record for single season rush TDs
they have a nigh unstoppable play, that revolves around him as ballcarrier
He's 24-2 this year and last
he went for 374 total yds and 4 scores in the SB
he was known to be less than 100 for the NFCCG and wasn't needed to do much of anything in that game
he finished 2 in the MVP voting last season

he's one of the single most valuable players in the NFL today, my guess is without him PHI is lost
indeed he missed time last year, and they went 0-2
that means as many losses in those 2 games, as they did in the last 26 with Hurts (regular season)

He has all of those rushing TDs because of the unstoppable play you mentioned, which is only possible because of his O line.