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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's probably harder for younger fans that have never seen this team win it all. They've only known disappointment. I used to feel like that prior to 1981. After winning that first SB I felt like they were going to win every game.

I was alive for '81, but didn't see it.

I remember properly watching SB 23, 24, 29 and enjoying those wins. I know very much what it was like to be an entitled fan, much like Patriots fans 2002-2019....

So much time has passed now, that I think I can feel what it's like being a Niner fan back in say 1971-1980.

Except we've had a taste of being very dominant now, more than the team ever was prior to Walsh/Montana.

So this is much more like '92-'93 on Groundhog repeat, except instead of one foe (i.e. Dallas), it has essentially been the eventual SB winner (except last year, the Eagles didn't win it all, but we can say we always lost to an SB participant), which has mostly been the Niners not winning it all because of injuries.

A fully healthy Niners in 2019 likely beats KC - Richburg at center, a fully healthy Dee Ford, Kwon Alexander......that would've been too much for Mahomes and his refs.
A fully healthy Niners should've beaten the Rams in 2021 NFCC - the dropped pick aside, the Rams lucked out on our poor health.
Not having Purdy in last year's NFCC - needs no explanation.

The hopeful news this year is Purdy is enough of a difference maker that we should be able to overcome whatever.

You throw in CMC, and it seems like we can take on the world if needed.

I too have that cautious and reluctant approach........so I keep my mouth shut, but if not this year, when TF will this team get it done? Both the AFC and NFC have never been easier.
[ Edited by JTsBiggestFan on Dec 7, 2023 at 9:26 AM ]
When everyone is healthy, they're the best team in football. I have confidence in that.

I've learned to take it week to week and not get too caught up in all of it though, the best team doesn't always win every week.
There's an excitement in the air about this team, fan base is beyond thrilled and probably has brought new fans in too. It's been so fun. This team has more heart and I believe, talent than any other team. It's been special to watch. In the back of my head, I know it's football. And things can shift in another direction quickly, whether it be injury or whatever. Just taking it as it comes and not expecting anything. Enjoying the good as it comes..and there has been a lot of good:)
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
My confidence in the team has always been there. My confidence in Kyle is growing to adapt and not be so stubborn. Possibly able to make the adjustments necessary to not choke.

My confidence in burford is still not there. I firmly believe if we don't win the SB this year it will be due strictly to burford and potentially Kyle if he regresses.

There really is no reason for them not to win this year. If we lose it will be to the ravens in the SB because harbaugh out coached shanahan with less talent and won. We are better than them in every facet so the only difference is coaching.

Eagles are not as good this year and the chiefs have no weapons for mahomes and kelce has lost a step. That makes us the most talented team in the NFL and Brock is the best QB outside of mahomes.

What excuses are left if we lose?

Take solace in that shanahan will not make it out of purdys rookie contract if he does not win one by then. So the max suffering can go on is 3 years.

No I don't agree. There are a number of reasons why we may lose between now and the final whistle of the superbowl and to pre emptively decide that it is down to Burford or Shanahan is just wrong. There could be a number of reasons why it might happen, the dreaded injury bug being just one. The tone of your post seems like you half want it to be Shanahan to give us an excuse to get rid of him. And what if it is?

For the record I think that Shanahan is the best offensive HC in the NFL right now. And that the Shanahan/Lynch combo is far and away the best. For years now posters have been moaning about him and calling for his head. It goes quiet when I ask who they will replace him with. And what makes you think that your "suffering " will then go away? It is highly likely that the team will take several backward steps as they adjust to a new coach and, likely, a new system. And no guarantee that this new coach will bring success.

What excuses will be left? That depends why we lose. I don't look for excuses and I would hope that the team would just announce, on the day we were beaten by a better team, but we will be back. Excuses are for Philadelphia fans. Lynch has shown that they are building a team which will be in the hunt year after year.

Your final paragraph, reassuring fans that Shanahan will get sacked, causes me to just shake my head. Hopefully, for most of the fans here, that would be a matter for great sadness rather than solace. Going the whole way to win the Super Bowl requires luck as well as all the other coaching qualities. Shanahan remains our best shot at the title, come what may.

Well said!

The team can survive pretty much an injury to any couple players except Trent, purdy, and possibly CMC.

Unless there is a fluke to purdy both the CMC and Trent injuries would be entirely predictable. Trent is up there in age and a contingency plan could have easily been put into place by now, CMC would be entirely unsurprising given his usage and injury history. I aim both of those at the coach if they happen. Purdy would be flukey if it happened two years in a row.

You subtract deebo, ayuik, bosa, etc.. we are still the most talented team in the NFL. Purdy is so good it won't even matter.

Burford is garbage tier and yet they have feliciano and moore both on the bench who are significantly better than him. Just not played for whatever coaching reason.

If shanahan can't win the SB with 11 years on the team he deserves to go. The same way Jimmy got multiple shots at it and appeared to be the weak link. If that happens I'll be relieved . The same way I was relieved that things are changing when lance was the starter.

At least things would be different instead of perpetually feeling like we are going to choke.

The team will be entirely different when purdy gets paid anyway so a different regime would be justified if we have not won by then. I'd rather take the unknown than have a coach who can't seem to win and has 11 years to do it. Which is enough time to rebuild the team 2.5x over from scratch. I don't want Jason Garrett as a coach. Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

Edit: just to clarify. I think we will win it at least twice out of the next 3 years on purdys deal. I believe we are so far ahead of the other teams from a talent and scheme standpoint we should win it easily.

The only places lacking are the turnstile of burford blocking for purdy giving him not enough time for the deep developing plays and the ingame adjustments if things don't work out at the start of a game. This seems to be alleviated from the eagles game...
[ Edited by BoldRedandGold on Dec 7, 2023 at 9:57 AM ]
49ers score touchdowns and win games.

That's how I feel.

This team is similar to the teams of the 80s. Superior personnel. Great coaching. Good GM. The real difference is depth. Teams can't stockpile players like they could in the 80s because of the cap and free agency. Purdy isn't Joe or Steve but he's the best we've had since that era. Aiyuk and Deebo aren't Rice and Taylor but they're both really good. I think CMC is actually better than Craig and Kittle is better than any TE they had back then.

The O line in the 80s was better. DBs were better . D line was a push. Walsh was a better coach because his offense was way ahead of the league at that time. Kyle has taken the offense to a higher level but there are a lot of teams that now run that style so it's not way ahead of the defenses. They just run it better with more weapons.
Originally posted by Montana:
There's an excitement in the air about this team, fan base is beyond thrilled and probably has brought new fans in too. It's been so fun. This team has more heart and I believe, talent than any other team. It's been special to watch. In the back of my head, I know it's football. And things can shift in another direction quickly, whether it be injury or whatever. Just taking it as it comes and not expecting anything. Enjoying the good as it comes..and there has been a lot of good:)
oh youngster... the 2019 season was incredible. you should have been there
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM ]
The thing I'm most confident in...is that when the ball leave's our QB's hands, I'm certain it's going to find it's mark...and I'm gobsmacked when it doesn't.

It's a good feeling to have, really, and I'm so not used to it that I have a hard extending that confidence toward future success.

Do I think we can win it all?

YUP

Do I dare imagine a future where Brock is holding up #6?

NOPE
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's probably harder for younger fans that have never seen this team win it all. They've only known disappointment. I used to feel like that prior to 1981. After winning that first SB I felt like they were going to win every game.

I have posted this before but I was around when Dallas beat us 3 years in a row and went to the superbowl. I was at the final beat down with a muffed on sides kick. There were people in the stands dancing around saying we finally beat the Cowboys. Then this feeling came over me after there first score coming back on us that something was just not right and sure enough we lost, PTSD from a young age. Then Montana where we were losing and I'm thinking not again....Then the catch. After that I expected to win every game. It was great times. This year is alot like the 1994 session. We should win it all.
[ Edited by bassmanr on Dec 7, 2023 at 10:49 AM ]
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's probably harder for younger fans that have never seen this team win it all. They've only known disappointment. I used to feel like that prior to 1981. After winning that first SB I felt like they were going to win every game.

I have posted this before but I was around when Dallas beat us 3 years in a row and went to the superbowl. I was at the final beat down with a muffed on sides kick. There were people in the stands dancing around saying we finally beat the Cowboys. Then this feeling came over me after there first score coming back on us that something was just not right and sure enough we lost, PTSD from a young age. Then Montana where we were losing and I'm thinking not again....Then the catch. After that I expected to win every game. It was great times. This year is alot like the 1994 session. We should win it all.

This year feels a lot more foregone that we should win. Purdy is so great that even if things somehow don't work out I know the entire team cam be rebuilt around him and we will be in contention. I think that muffles a lot of the pain where we were about equal and we needed luck because our QBs were middling.

To me feels a lot closer to how kc probably feels with mahomes. It blunts a lot of trauma knowing we will have a shot for the next decade at least.

It doesn't feel like the teams going to fall apart if we lose everyone in the off-season. I strongly believe Brock is so good that even an average team he can make a run with.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
oh youngster... the 2019 season was incredible. you should have been there

I was there lol
Originally posted by TyCore:
The thing I'm most confident in...is that when the ball leave's our QB's hands, I'm certain it's going to find it's mark...and I'm gobsmacked when it doesn't.

It's a good feeling to have, really, and I'm so not used to it that I have a hard extending that confidence toward future success.

Do I think we can win it all?

YUP

Do I dare imagine a future where Brock is holding up #6?

NOPE

🤔
The highest of highs and lowest of lows. I'm a 38 year old fan. Remember the 94 super bowl of course, and loved it, but you just don't have the appreciation as a 9 year old you would when you're older.

Ardently followed the team and watched every game once I was old enough to go to the bar since I was out of market.

this team has broken my heart a ton. The dark ages of 03-10; the 2011 championship loss (after I saq the catch 3 live from the stick); I was at the 2012 SB loss (after going to Atlanta for the championship game win); that dreadful int to Sherman in 2013….more absolutely putrid years until Shanny….

Then Shanny. Eerily similar to the Harbaugh heartache.

all of that is to say this team should have at least two or three Super Bowl wins since 2011. The fact they have none is insane and each year they don't, I find that my desperation for just one single trophy grows exponentially.

in a good way, they're back to "win the super bowl or it's a failure". Cuz we're insanely overdue and starved. In a bad way, it has me a little less appreciative of everything outside of a Lombardi. Each game I'm just thinking about if they have what it takes or what their weaknesses/blockades are to that trophy.

if they won just one between 2011, 2012, 2013, 2019, 2021, and 2022…I don't think I'd feel how I do. It's like we've been waiting to exhale.

all this to say, if they win, I'll cherish it forever. And I think that white knuckling desperation will finally release. If they don't…at least I've been seasoned for it…but normally that would mean I'm calloused and can better accept the pain. Sadly I don't. Each time feels uniquely s**tty in its own way. Some worse than others. 2011, 2019, 2022 were hardest for me I think. Last year because you never even got to see if they could have done it.
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's probably harder for younger fans that have never seen this team win it all. They've only known disappointment. I used to feel like that prior to 1981. After winning that first SB I felt like they were going to win every game.

I have posted this before but I was around when Dallas beat us 3 years in a row and went to the superbowl. I was at the final beat down with a muffed on sides kick. There were people in the stands dancing around saying we finally beat the Cowboys. Then this feeling came over me after there first score coming back on us that something was just not right and sure enough we lost, PTSD from a young age. Then Montana where we were losing and I'm thinking not again....Then the catch. After that I expected to win every game. It was great times. This year is alot like the 1994 session. We should win it all.

This year feels a lot more foregone that we should win. Purdy is so great that even if things somehow don't work out I know the entire team cam be rebuilt around him and we will be in contention. I think that muffles a lot of the pain where we were about equal and we needed luck because our QBs were middling.

To me feels a lot closer to how kc probably feels with mahomes. It blunts a lot of trauma knowing we will have a shot for the next decade at least.

It doesn't feel like the teams going to fall apart if we lose everyone in the off-season. I strongly believe Brock is so good that even an average team he can make a run with.

Having a franchise QB is key to having long term competitive years. Purdy seems to be that guy. Constantly learning after every play and just getting better. McCaffrey said in an interview that "he hoped these so called experts keep doubting him so he plays with a chip on his shoulder. He usually plays really good after", says it all.

I think if we stay healthy we should win it all finally this year.
[ Edited by bassmanr on Dec 7, 2023 at 8:13 PM ]
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