Is Christian McCaffrey the best Rb ever to wear a 9er uniform?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Gore > Mac > Craig > Hearst

Gore led our team in catches a couple years add that with this team and it would be a fun watch. Mac is who he is, if he lasts 5 more years in this offense maybe we switch 1 & 2. Craig is nostalgia, he was good but lezbehonest would you take him over Gore or Mac when they are better runners and pass catchers, probably not. Hearst was such a great runner, will never forget the game against the Jets.

Craig, Nostalgia !?! That is some Bull Seeeit !

craig not a better runner and receiver ?

it obvious that you don't know who Roger Craig is

I said he's good. But sorry not better than Gore and right now not better than Mac. He should be in the hall no doubt.

But honestly gfy if you think I dont know who he is lol, thats that nostalgia talking. Having a system taking the NFL by storm against 250+ pnd LBs vs playing in an age where LBs are just as fast as RBs makes a difference. I love Roger Craig and know his son Roderick, but lets not pretend that times havent changed and you put a RB that can do it all now against the roided run stuffers than ran a 4.7 at best... sorry I think Gore and Mac could be the same and likely better. I'll take the guys that were/are doing it against better athletes and better defenses with more nuances. Just an opinion on an opinion forum.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Gore > Mac > Craig > Hearst

Gore led our team in catches a couple years add that with this team and it would be a fun watch. Mac is who he is, if he lasts 5 more years in this offense maybe we switch 1 & 2. Craig is nostalgia, he was good but lezbehonest would you take him over Gore or Mac when they are better runners and pass catchers, probably not. Hearst was such a great runner, will never forget the game against the Jets.

Craig, Nostalgia !?! That is some Bull Seeeit !

craig not a better runner and receiver ?

it obvious that you don't know who Roger Craig is

I said he's good. But sorry not better than Gore and right now not better than Mac. He should be in the hall no doubt.

But honestly gfy if you think I dont know who he is lol, thats that nostalgia talking. Having a system taking the NFL by storm against 250+ pnd LBs vs playing in an age where LBs are just as fast as RBs makes a difference. I love Roger Craig and know his son Roderick, but lets not pretend that times havent changed and you put a RB that can do it all now against the roided run stuffers than ran a 4.7 at best... sorry I think Gore and Mac could be the same and likely better. I'll take the guys that were/are doing it against better athletes and better defenses with more nuances. Just an opinion on an opinion forum.

lets not pretend?, but then you continue what ifs

Craig was a track star also.. so he would be the same in this era

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
only thing CMC lacks is total break away finishing speed, not sure what his 40 is but I'm guessing low 4.5 to high 4.4

His 40 time at the NFL Combine was 4.48 and he has ran a 10.7 100 meter . His Grandfather took home the Silver Medal in the 100 at the Olympics. But his best time and one of the best at the Combine over the last 10 years is his 3 cone 6.53 which is the same Tyreek Hill ran at his Pro Day

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lets not pretend?, but then you continue what ifs

Craig was a track star also.. so he would be the same in this era

Again athletes back then cant be considered in the same league to athletes now cause it's not even fair with few exceptions. Just compare his hurdle times from then to now. I love me some Roger craig but if you ask if I could keep the athlete balling from back then compared to the athlete that is balling right now, I take the current athlete everytime. The only two exceptions I know of are Bo Jackson and Coach Prime. So unless you can come up with something saying Gore or Mac couldnt do what Craig did better than before, we can just agree to disagree.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lets not pretend?, but then you continue what ifs

Craig was a track star also.. so he would be the same in this era

Again athletes back then cant be compared to athletes now. Just compare his hurdle times from then to now. I love me some Roger craig but if you ask if I could keep the athlete balling from back then compared to take the athlete that is balling right now, I take the current athlete everytime. The only two exceptions I know of are Bo Jackson and Coach Prime. Everything else we can just agree to disagree.

compare hurdle times with who.. to current actual dedicated track stars ? lol

There's a lot of if's and buts, in your decision. But this is not about if this player can play in a certain era.

Gore did not dominate his piers as craig did with his and thats the biggest difference

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lets not pretend?, but then you continue what ifs

Craig was a track star also.. so he would be the same in this era

Again athletes back then cant be compared to athletes now. Just compare his hurdle times from then to now. I love me some Roger craig but if you ask if I could keep the athlete balling from back then compared to take the athlete that is balling right now, I take the current athlete everytime. The only two exceptions I know of are Bo Jackson and Coach Prime. Everything else we can just agree to disagree.

compare hurdle times with who.. to current actual dedicated track stars ? lol

There's a lot of if's and buts, in your decision. But this is not about if this player can play in a certain era.

Gore did not dominate his piers as craig did with his and thats the biggest difference

Again look at the teams... Gore never dominated like Craig with who at QB? Can you say Craig would still put up the same stats as Gore with Dorsey, Pickett, Ramsey or 7 offensive coordinator Alex smith? And sh*t we just had a hurdler in Goodwin that ran 10s in 100m hurdles as a WR vs 14s for Craig. Most NFL skill position athletes are track stars they just stop competing in track once they have secured a future in football.

Funny thing is I like RC but in one opinion its more plausible that Gore or Mac could be the same weapon in the 80s Walsh era than Craig being the same weapon in this MLBs runnin 4.5s and covering RBs out on the flat era with no QB, rotating OCs or offensive line like Gire had .

But since Im old and dont care you win Craig is the best ever, then Gore who might beat him to the HOF then Mac then Hearst.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I do believe he's got the HIGHEST FOOTBALL IQ of all the RBs we've had... but I still believe that Watters was a BETTER athlete than any RBs we've ever had..

The guy can be a WR... PR.. KR...

What guy? Watters or CMC? CMC returned kickoffs and punts for TDs in the same season. He also threw a TD pass, caught TD passes and ran for TD passes all in that same season. That was his SOPH. year when he was robbed of the Heisman. He was beaten out by the one trick pony Derrick Henry who only played behind one ot the great ofensive lines ever.

WATTERS did all those at Notre Dame... he also played as a WR for a year..

But as a 49er, I don't see anyone being better than Ricky..

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lets not pretend?, but then you continue what ifs

Craig was a track star also.. so he would be the same in this era

Again athletes back then cant be compared to athletes now. Just compare his hurdle times from then to now. I love me some Roger craig but if you ask if I could keep the athlete balling from back then compared to take the athlete that is balling right now, I take the current athlete everytime. The only two exceptions I know of are Bo Jackson and Coach Prime. Everything else we can just agree to disagree.

compare hurdle times with who.. to current actual dedicated track stars ? lol

There's a lot of if's and buts, in your decision. But this is not about if this player can play in a certain era.

Gore did not dominate his piers as craig did with his and thats the biggest difference

Again look at the teams... Gore never dominated like Craig with who at QB? Can you say Craig would still put up the same stats as Gore? And sh*t we just had a hurdler in Goodwin that ran 10s in 100m hurdles as a WR vs 14s for Craig. Most NFL skill position athletes are track stars they just stop competing in track once they have secured a future in the NFL.

Funny thing is I like RC but in one opinion its more plausible that Gore or Mac could be the same weapon in the 80s Walsh era than Craig being the same weapon in this MLBs runnin 4.5s and covering RBs out on the flat era.

man you are now grasping for anything

If you want to be accurate, you can't just take the final product and place them in any era. Gore wouldn't be the gore growing up in the 70/80's with the way the game was played back then. Same with Craig, Give RC all the benefits how players train in Gore's time frame.

Like i said, Gore couldn't dominate with his level competition like Craig did with his.

Adrian Peterson was the Guy in Gore's time and who was his QB ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
man you are now grasping for anything

If you want to be accurate, you can't just take the final product and place them in any era. Gore wouldn't be the gore growing up in the 70/80's with the way the game was played back then. Same with Craig, Give RC all the benefits how players train in Gore's time frame.

Like i said, Gore couldn't dominate with his level competition like Craig did with his.

Adrian Peterson was the Guy in Gore's time and who was his QB ?

No grasping. I spoke facts. And I wouldnt speak of AP cause he had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. It's like actually giving Emmitt Smith the gold for yards when everyone knew there are better running backs, just like this.

The best RC comp of the time before gore was Faulk cause AP was not a pass catcher, plus that line made Jerrick McKinnon look good for a hot second. Faulk was in a new system that took the NFL by storm, great WRs and QB... would Craig or Gore do the same, we know Mac could. But again bro its an opinion, you dont agree with it and nuff said. You lay out strawman bullsh*t nonstop and when you get proven wrong you throw mud or change subjects. No hard feelings just differing opinions, good night buddy. Go Niners.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
man you are now grasping for anything

If you want to be accurate, you can't just take the final product and place them in any era. Gore wouldn't be the gore growing up in the 70/80's with the way the game was played back then. Same with Craig, Give RC all the benefits how players train in Gore's time frame.

Like i said, Gore couldn't dominate with his level competition like Craig did with his.

Adrian Peterson was the Guy in Gore's time and who was his QB ?

No grasping. I spoke facts. And I wouldnt speak of AP cause he had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. It's like actually giving Emmitt Smith the gold for yards when everyone knew there are better running backs, just like this.

The best RC comp of the time before gore was Faulk cause AP was not a pass catcher, plus that line made Jerrick McKinnon look good for a hot second. Faulk was in a new system that took the NFL by storm, great WRs and QB... would Craig or Gore do the same, we know Mac could. But again bro its an opinion, you dont agree with it and nuff said. You lay out strawman bullsh*t nonstop and when you get proven wrong you throw mud or change subjects. No hard feelings just differing opinions, good night buddy. Go Niners.

i throw the strawman? you're the one bringing crap that can't be proven and start moving the goal posts with "look at his team, look at their OL", Etc

Craig changed the game, Gore is just another RB that lasted a good time in the NFL

CMC is the most dangerous with the ball in his hands. He also has the breakaway speed.

He's way down the list compared to the guys mentioned between the tackles though.

He's far more dangerous than any other back both outside lined up and outside running the ball. That 2/3 where he's far superior to anyone else who has played for the 49ers.

He's far from the hall though in my mind. Stat wise he's just so far behind in yards. He needs like 5 more seasons to be cemented imo. That's a tall task for a rb. The advantage is he gets to be outside more than most so that may preserve him a bit. Even if he has been brittle in the past.

CMC was the only weapon in Carolina and still he got that 1000/1000 season in 2019 and he also got another 1000/800 season in 2018.
Last year playing for both teams he had a 1000/700 season.

Gore and CMC played for teams with no other good players and they were really really good.

It's very hard to choose between both because CMC is amazing running outside zone and a natural route runner while Gore was more suited to run power and he was an amazing pass-protector.

Oh what the hell I pick CMC.

Craig was great but when he was in his prime he never had to play on a bad roster.

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Roger Craig is my favorite all time 49er but I have to say, CMC is better. It hurts my ass to say it but they are very very close. Frank Gore is the best pure runner and if he didn't have constant 8-9 man boxes unlike Craig and CMC we would all be in agreement that Frank Gore is the best rb ever. He even had 60 catches his 2nd year I believe It's not Gores fault he didn't get thrown to much and faced heavy boxes his whole career

My man!!! Love your handle

Love CMC and it could change depending how this run ends , but Frank Gore is still the franchise GOAT RB. He should've gotten a ring in 2012

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Love CMC and it could change depending how this run ends , but Frank Gore is still the franchise GOAT RB. He should've gotten a ring in 2012

Love Gore too but CMC seems to have a dynamic factor that Gore didnt. The ability to break a long one at any time and the ability to catch out of the back field. Gore's trademark in my opinion was his consistency to gain yards not so much versatility and 15+ yard gains.

Gore is quietly the 3rd all time leading rusher in the NFL.....I am not so sure many even know who he is.

You have remember too, they played in different eras.

Gore's career was at the tail end of an era when the RB had much higher value and were utilized to a much greater extent than in today's game. You could argue that Shanys scheme is RB centric.