SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - 2023 Season Game 15

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
When teams clog the middle he needs to throw outside the numbers which I don't think he can do. He is limited in that aspect much like Jimmy was. Brock is smarter more mobile Jimmy basically. His arm talent is not great. He usually does well with anticipation and decision making, but the Browns took away the middle and beat him. The Ravens used that same plan and it worked.

You need time to throw outside the numbers, you don't have that time when McKivitz is getting blown up by Clowney on play after play or the OL loses track of blitzers and you have free rushers coming through while the defense still has 7 guys in coverage.

I jinxed it when I said the line was playing well. Wow that was incorrect....We need to focus on the O line next year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
When teams clog the middle he needs to throw outside the numbers which I don't think he can do. He is limited in that aspect much like Jimmy was. Brock is smarter more mobile Jimmy basically. His arm talent is not great. He usually does well with anticipation and decision making, but the Browns took away the middle and beat him. The Ravens used that same plan and it worked.

You need time to throw outside the numbers, you don't have that time when McKivitz is getting blown up by Clowney on play after play or the OL loses track of blitzers and you have free rushers coming through while the defense still has 7 guys in coverage.

That's on the OC

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Ravens D is absolutely legit, they are the closest thing to the Seattle LOB and 49ers defenses back in 2011/2012. They have the ability to manufacture pass rush from every direction, tremendous linebackers, big block eaters in the middle to keep the LBS clean and an outstanding safety and CB's that are just good enough to let the pass rush get home.

I know the 49ers are missing Armstead and some others but this Defense is not near what it was last year IMO. I know the numbers may say other wise but to my eye they don't look has fired up week in and week out.
But with 4ints that probably doesn't make a difference.

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
I think we beat the commanders even if Darnold plays QB.

Rams is another story. They are hot right now, are better coached and have the best QB in the NFC. I think we lose that game.

Rams could give our defense some trouble. Our offense should destroy their defense. We'll be fine.

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Baldie:
So if we lose one of the next 2, we lose the #1 seed to either PHI or DET right?

Pretty much. Barring losses by Phi/Det/Dal

I think we beat the commanders even if Darnold plays QB.

Rams is another story. They are hot right now, are better coached and have the best QB in the NFC. I think we lose that game.

I think that Rams game is gonna be decided in the 4th like the past few matchups have been.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
When teams clog the middle he needs to throw outside the numbers which I don't think he can do. He is limited in that aspect much like Jimmy was. Brock is smarter more mobile Jimmy basically. His arm talent is not great. He usually does well with anticipation and decision making, but the Browns took away the middle and beat him. The Ravens used that same plan and it worked.

You need time to throw outside the numbers, you don't have that time when McKivitz is getting blown up by Clowney on play after play or the OL loses track of blitzers and you have free rushers coming through while the defense still has 7 guys in coverage.

Exactly Purdys proven to be more than capable throwing outside the numbers when alloted the time to do so.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
I think we beat the commanders even if Darnold plays QB.

Rams is another story. They are hot right now, are better coached and have the best QB in the NFC. I think we lose that game.

Rams could give our defense some trouble. Our offense should destroy their defense. We'll be fine.

Hoping we have Trent and banks

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Out coached tonight boys…on both sides of the ball

I actually wonder how much of the top shelf Kyle coaching was on display tonight.

We knew all along this was a very potential SB candidate.........do you go all out trying to beat them for the prestige, or is it maybe better to keep something in reserve?

Only thing I'd be concerned for in a rematch is confidence being shaky. Hopefully Purdy and them don't take this as the team being inferior........the game was ultimately lost on those interceptions.

Oddly, this might've been a game for a more game manager style......but we know that doesn't win championships, so overall I'm ok with it.

Margins are slim........seems like the Niners have to be ahead to win....Kyle will just have to ensure that going forward in January.

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by SFrush:
The only silver lining is no other NFC contender is well rounded like Baltimore. They match up well with us.

Ravens won't make it to the Superbowl. 49ers record against AFC North teams this year. 1-3. And I dare say if they played the Steelers some other week than the first they may be 0-4 against them.

I would have a hard time betting against them. Especially if they get Mark Andrews back.

Originally posted by bud49:
I know the 49ers are missing Armstead and some others but this Defense is not near what it was last year IMO. I know the numbers may say other wise but to my eye they don't look has fired up week in and week out.
But with 4ints that probably doesn't make a difference.

It's a good, not great defense IMO. They can start to steamroll with a lead.

Tonight wasn't their 'fault' IMO. Didn't have a good second half but the offense could not hold the ball at all.

Originally posted by Baldie:
So if we lose one of the next 2, we lose the #1 seed to either PHI or DET right?

If the Eagles or Lions win out yes.

Basically, if we tie, we hold the tie-breaker. Both teams need to leap-frog us in losses to secure the 1 seed.

We're all currently tied at 4 losses, we have the tiebreaker over Philadelphia due to head to head, and the tiebreaker over Detroit by conference (their losses have been to Seattle, Baltimore, Green Bay and Chicago, whereas ours has been to Cleveland, Minnesota, Cincinnati and Baltimore).

Detroit plays Dallas next week, so a loss there will make it super difficult for the losing team to get the one seed if we beat Washington (Detroit would have 5 losses, Dallas would have 6). Philadelphia plays Arizona.

Originally posted by Baldie:
So if we lose one of the next 2, we lose the #1 seed to either PHI or DET right?

If either of them win out. I don't see Detroit winning @ Dallas, but I would expect Philadelphia to beat AZ and @ NYG.

Someone here mocked me for saying that a key to the game was to win the turnover battle. Well was I wrong?

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:

Originally posted by Predator85:

Originally posted by Brock4MVPLOL:
Sorry guys, wasn't able to watch our 9ers tonight. Did Brock solidify MVP or are the haters still hating?

He lost a good 10 mil off his next contract

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by bud49:
Ravens just showed other teams a possible kryptonite for Purdy. Purdy works on timing throw the WR's off and that is what happens we all know his arm is not the strongest. He will learn and move on. Most all his ints have come over the middle. Juan being out hurt tonight.

Brock has to be able to adjust and so does Kyle. If teams figure you out you have to show other strengths but so far Brock hasn't done that.

Most disappointing stat for me….never winning a game where they trailed in the 4th….Thats where great QBs make names for themselves

When teams clog the middle he needs to throw outside the numbers which I don't think he can do. He is limited in that aspect much like Jimmy was. Brock is smarter more mobile Jimmy basically. His arm talent is not great. He usually does well with anticipation and decision making, but the Browns took away the middle and beat him. The Ravens used that same plan and it worked.

Hope he can figure out how to correct this so he's more prepared when the next team copies that blueprint

No true at all. He has been very successful outside the numbers after that game. It was just a bad game with some weird / lucky picks. It happens. I'm glad actually, because we needed another kick in the ass a couple of games before the playoffs. Not worried.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by SFrush:
The only silver lining is no other NFC contender is well rounded like Baltimore. They match up well with us.

Ravens won't make it to the Superbowl. 49ers record against AFC North teams this year. 1-3. And I dare say if they played the Steelers some other week than the first they may be 0-4 against them.

I would have a hard time betting against them. Especially if they get Mark Andrews back.

What team in the AFC would beat them at home?