SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs BALTIMORE RAVENS - 2023 Season Game 15

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hawaii49er:
Very unlike Purdy on the first Int. Maybe his fault on the screen pass as well, that's debatable.

I knew missing 3rd and Jauan was going to be huge. We didn't look the same on offense.

Give Ravens credit, they flew across the country and absolutely demolished us. They were the hungrier team. We looked slow (except our WR's and Kittle) and once we were getting punched in the mouth, we turned into Glass Joe. Missed tackles and penalties killed us. We aren't built to come back from behind with our O-LIne. This was a tough loss. Only one game but we went into this as one of the teams to beat but the Ravens made us look like pretenders.

The biggest issue I see with this team and its been going on for awhile. If teams can get a sizable lead then their defenses pin their ears back and go after this OL hard and inevitably the OL ends up collapsing.

Yup. Feeling rushed, pressured, feeling the need to play hero ball, throwing to clearly covered receivers, into the defense arms, pulling your QB, etc. all stems from the same thing...not trusting what's in front of you/the QB.

Ultimately it's still up to Brock to make better decisions but this is what happens to every QB when things in front of them fall apart (or they think it will). MVP or not.

Not every negative play is because of spotty line play but the correlation is easy to see...with any QB, no matter how mobile they are or how much you feel a QB should transcend.

I don't think it was so much the pressure that the O line was giving up. Brock has dealt with that plenty and has come out the other end clean as a whistle. The real issue imo was the ravens coverage. They were so sticky in coverage that they were getting piggy back rides from our receivers before the ball arrived.



I know this is one example but I witnessed this throughout most of the game.

It's good coverage, if your head is turned and playing the ball in air, they tend not to penalize that
you don't want that ball thrown, I believe this was one of the INTs, he's about to tip it to 14 if I am not mistaken.

Even if you are draped on top of the guys back?

Yeah, if they flagged every instance of contact beyond 5 yards, you would see like 5 flags come out every pass play, and on both sides. So there is some threshold or line that must be crossed. Grabbing the jersey to impede movement (holding) is a clear one, and you do tend to get penalized more for playing the man and not the ball. The defender has every bit the same right to play the ball in air as the receiver does. Contact that is incidental, is not a foul. I don't want this called a foul, for us or against us, from what I see on the screenshot. He's playing the ball.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't think it was so much the pressure that the O line was giving up. Brock has dealt with that plenty and has come out the other end clean as a whistle. The real issue imo was the ravens coverage. They were so sticky in coverage that they were getting piggy back rides from our receivers before the ball arrived.



I know this is one example but I witnessed this throughout most of the game.

Bill Vinovich is a piece of s**t person.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hawaii49er:
Very unlike Purdy on the first Int. Maybe his fault on the screen pass as well, that's debatable.

I knew missing 3rd and Jauan was going to be huge. We didn't look the same on offense.

Give Ravens credit, they flew across the country and absolutely demolished us. They were the hungrier team. We looked slow (except our WR's and Kittle) and once we were getting punched in the mouth, we turned into Glass Joe. Missed tackles and penalties killed us. We aren't built to come back from behind with our O-LIne. This was a tough loss. Only one game but we went into this as one of the teams to beat but the Ravens made us look like pretenders.

The biggest issue I see with this team and its been going on for awhile. If teams can get a sizable lead then their defenses pin their ears back and go after this OL hard and inevitably the OL ends up collapsing.

Yup. Feeling rushed, pressured, feeling the need to play hero ball, throwing to clearly covered receivers, into the defense arms, pulling your QB, etc. all stems from the same thing...not trusting what's in front of you/the QB.

Ultimately it's still up to Brock to make better decisions but this is what happens to every QB when things in front of them fall apart (or they think it will). MVP or not.

Not every negative play is because of spotty line play but the correlation is easy to see...with any QB, no matter how mobile they are or how much you feel a QB should transcend.

I don't think it was so much the pressure that the O line was giving up. Brock has dealt with that plenty and has come out the other end clean as a whistle. The real issue imo was the ravens coverage. They were so sticky in coverage that they were getting piggy back rides from our receivers before the ball arrived.



I know this is one example but I witnessed this throughout most of the game.

It's good coverage, if your head is turned and playing the ball in air, they tend not to penalize that
you don't want that ball thrown, I believe this was one of the INTs, he's about to tip it to 14 if I am not mistaken.

Even if you are draped on top of the guys back?

That's PI if it's a 49er defender

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That's PI if it's a 49er defender

realize we got a holding call on a key 3rd down I believe and the guy held is Willie Snead. He maybe catches a pass every season, it was away from the play,
refs didn't cost us one thing last night, I guarantee if a 49er made a play like that and we got a pick, none of you is asking for a foul,

let's take the bias out of it

I think one really overlooked and underrated aspect of the game last night was the absence of Jennings. He is easily the best blocking receiver on the team and consistently gets separation for crucial plays to keep the offense on "schedule". Someone like a Snead or Conley who's faster is a poor substitute. Also if we're gonna lose I'd rather do it now than be the last possible game of the season i.e. the Super Bowl. You don't wanna be on what would have to be a 12 game winning streak and then end up losing the 12th game a.k.a. the SB. Better to have another 5-GW streak from this point. That's tidy, 5 to start the season and 5 to end holding the Lombardi.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
I think one really overlooked and underrated aspect of the game last night was the absence of Jennings. He is easily the best blocking receiver on the team and consistently gets separation for crucial plays to keep the offense on "schedule". Someone like a Snead or Conley who's faster is a poor substitute. Also if we're gonna lose I'd rather do it now than be the last possible game of the season i.e. the Super Bowl. You don't wanna be on what would have to be a 12 game winning streak and then end up losing the 12th game a.k.a. the SB. Better to have another 5-GW streak from this point. That's tidy, 5 to start the season and 5 to end holding the Lombardi.

WR 3 is a real problem, even Jennings it's like having a FB at slot WR
and after him it's a clown car, what on earth happened to Gray

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't think it was so much the pressure that the O line was giving up. Brock has dealt with that plenty and has come out the other end clean as a whistle. The real issue imo was the ravens coverage. They were so sticky in coverage that they were getting piggy back rides from our receivers before the ball arrived.



I know this is one example but I witnessed this throughout most of the game.

This is absolutely PI and anyone who claims it isnt doesnt know what they are talking about.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hawaii49er:
Very unlike Purdy on the first Int. Maybe his fault on the screen pass as well, that's debatable.

I knew missing 3rd and Jauan was going to be huge. We didn't look the same on offense.

Give Ravens credit, they flew across the country and absolutely demolished us. They were the hungrier team. We looked slow (except our WR's and Kittle) and once we were getting punched in the mouth, we turned into Glass Joe. Missed tackles and penalties killed us. We aren't built to come back from behind with our O-LIne. This was a tough loss. Only one game but we went into this as one of the teams to beat but the Ravens made us look like pretenders.

The biggest issue I see with this team and its been going on for awhile. If teams can get a sizable lead then their defenses pin their ears back and go after this OL hard and inevitably the OL ends up collapsing.

Yup. Feeling rushed, pressured, feeling the need to play hero ball, throwing to clearly covered receivers, into the defense arms, pulling your QB, etc. all stems from the same thing...not trusting what's in front of you/the QB.

Ultimately it's still up to Brock to make better decisions but this is what happens to every QB when things in front of them fall apart (or they think it will). MVP or not.

Not every negative play is because of spotty line play but the correlation is easy to see...with any QB, no matter how mobile they are or how much you feel a QB should transcend.

I don't think it was so much the pressure that the O line was giving up. Brock has dealt with that plenty and has come out the other end clean as a whistle. The real issue imo was the ravens coverage. They were so sticky in coverage that they were getting piggy back rides from our receivers before the ball arrived.



I know this is one example but I witnessed this throughout most of the game.

It's good coverage, if your head is turned and playing the ball in air, they tend not to penalize that
you don't want that ball thrown, I believe this was one of the INTs, he's about to tip it to 14 if I am not mistaken.

Even if you are draped on top of the guys back?

Yeah, if they flagged every instance of contact beyond 5 yards, you would see like 5 flags come out every pass play, and on both sides. So there is some threshold or line that must be crossed. Grabbing the jersey to impede movement (holding) is a clear one, and you do tend to get penalized more for playing the man and not the ball. The defender has every bit the same right to play the ball in air as the receiver does. Contact that is incidental, is not a foul. I don't want this called a foul, for us or against us, from what I see on the screenshot. He's playing the ball.

But they'll penalize a DB for an under thrown ball every time.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That's PI if it's a 49er defender

realize we got a holding call on a key 3rd down I believe and the guy held is Willie Snead. He maybe catches a pass every season, it was away from the play,
refs didn't cost us one thing last night, I guarantee if a 49er made a play like that and we got a pick, none of you is asking for a foul,

let's take the bias out of it

Where did I say the refs cost us the game last night? But a blind man could see from the very start with the no call on the pass to Juszczyk how things were gonna go on that end.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That's PI if it's a 49er defender

realize we got a holding call on a key 3rd down I believe and the guy held is Willie Snead. He maybe catches a pass every season, it was away from the play,
refs didn't cost us one thing last night, I guarantee if a 49er made a play like that and we got a pick, none of you is asking for a foul,

let's take the bias out of it

All I want is for the refs to call the game with consistency is all. Do I blame the refs for losing? No. We lost because we turned the ball over 5 times.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That's PI if it's a 49er defender

realize we got a holding call on a key 3rd down I believe and the guy held is Willie Snead. He maybe catches a pass every season, it was away from the play,
refs didn't cost us one thing last night, I guarantee if a 49er made a play like that and we got a pick, none of you is asking for a foul,

let's take the bias out of it

All I want is for the refs to call the game with consistency is all. Do I blame the refs for losing? No. We lost because we turned the ball over 5 times.

I don't think the refs have any agenda this team over that, and I walked away from last night not even thinking about the refs. If anything, a ref legit tripped Lamar in the endzone and we got 2 pts and the ball out of it. That was kinda hilarious and it all went downhill..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That's PI if it's a 49er defender

realize we got a holding call on a key 3rd down I believe and the guy held is Willie Snead. He maybe catches a pass every season, it was away from the play,
refs didn't cost us one thing last night, I guarantee if a 49er made a play like that and we got a pick, none of you is asking for a foul,

let's take the bias out of it

All I want is for the refs to call the game with consistency is all. Do I blame the refs for losing? No. We lost because we turned the ball over 5 times.

I don't think the refs have any agenda this team over that, and I walked away from last night not even thinking about the refs. If anything, a ref legit tripped Lamar in the endzone and we got 2 pts and the ball out of it. That was kinda hilarious and it all went downhill..

Did I say they had an agenda? I

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't think it was so much the pressure that the O line was giving up. Brock has dealt with that plenty and has come out the other end clean as a whistle. The real issue imo was the ravens coverage. They were so sticky in coverage that they were getting piggy back rides from our receivers before the ball arrived.



I know this is one example but I witnessed this throughout most of the game.

This is absolutely PI and anyone who claims it isnt doesnt know what they are talking about.

Yep it's not even debatable

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That's PI if it's a 49er defender

realize we got a holding call on a key 3rd down I believe and the guy held is Willie Snead. He maybe catches a pass every season, it was away from the play,
refs didn't cost us one thing last night, I guarantee if a 49er made a play like that and we got a pick, none of you is asking for a foul,

let's take the bias out of it

All I want is for the refs to call the game with consistency is all. Do I blame the refs for losing? No. We lost because we turned the ball over 5 times.

I don't think the refs have any agenda this team over that, and I walked away from last night not even thinking about the refs. If anything, a ref legit tripped Lamar in the endzone and we got 2 pts and the ball out of it. That was kinda hilarious and it all went downhill..

Did I say they had an agenda? I

on consistency, that can be read in only 2 ways imo. Either they aren't consistent cuz of human error, or cuz more nefarious reasons. I wasn't meaning to call you out. I do see on here commonly, that the NFL is rigged, or the NFL is biased. That appears to be a common fan opinion. So I was speaking more to that, not you specifically. NFL will never be 100 percent consistent, unless you want to all-22 review every play for violations and have it sent to NY to weigh in. Even then, you can have instant replay reviews where the 'rules expert' says one way, and the on field review team goes another way.

there's some subjectivity, in what a foul is or isn't. I don't feel that was a foul, you can contact other guys if you are not impeding and playing the ball (incidental contact)

Originally posted by Silky:
I have a feeling McDaniels and the Dolphins will avenge us. I just think we were tired, banged up, and had a poor game plan against the Ravens. I still don't think they're that good. Like they're good but that was a fluke. Dolphins will move the ball on them

Ravens are stacked, my guy. They were missing some key guys too. Thier QB has better arm talent and superior wheels and playmaking ability. That is not a knock on Brock. Lamar is good.