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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Love looks legit as s**t... when plays didn't go to plan he moved alittle or alot.. but eitherway hung in there and delivered the ball on covered WRs.. throwing them open. Lafluer also got his players open. Not so worred about Lafluer though.
Obviously I expect/hope we give him a different look.... but I'm expecting him to play well, so we have to play well on offense. Might be a shoot out. Brock can't turn the ball over...and we hopefully get some on Jordan.
We will be the best defense he has faced all year.. sure Dallas looks good on paper.. but they choke and they know they choke.. so when s**t gets alittle bad for them.. both their offense and defense starts pressing.
Originally posted by joeknows:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by joeknows:
The idea that Love was allowed to play but Lance wasn't, simply isn't true.
Year 1 - Lance - 2nd String (starts 2 games); Love - 3rd String (doesn't even dress for a single game)
Year 2 - Lance - Starting QB (is injured during 2nd start); Love - 2nd String (started 1 game)
Year 3 - Lance 3rd String (leaves prior to season); Love - 2nd String (started 0 games)
I agree that Lance still has big time potential, but to say he wasn't given opportunity is inaccurate as far as I'm concerned.
He was very unlucky in that two very badly-timed injuries curtailed him, and then internal competition provided a very unexpected redundancy for him.
Love actually played a full year of football….as a starter. He was not good at the beginning of the year or in spot starts. He actually got to play meaningful football. The whole he developed on the bench s**t is dumb. He didn't improve until he got to play real football.
Lance got what 30 passing attempts as a starter here? Not backup s**t tossed into games with no meaningful reps with starters. I'm talking you're the guy all off season and get a year to play football. Lance got 30 passing attempts and 90% of those came in a rain storm. Dats it.
If I told people that Lance could be Jordan love at the beginning of this year, ya'll would have laughed and hated it. Now a bunch of you are afraid to play him this week lol.
What took place this yr backs up my stance that playing live football making young players who NEED NFL reps better…not sitting on the bench.
again I don't want to debate it all day…it's over and Brock is the man. That's my two cents on the subject.
Love played a year of football as a Year Four pro. Lance was presented with a year of football as a Year Two pro, but could not perform (not his fault).
Had Lance stayed healthy he would also have played a ton of snaps last season, even if he had a start like Love's. If Purdy had not defied all expectations Lance would have had further chances too.
In other words, the coaching staff here provided Lance with as much opportunity as they were able.
I agree that Lance needs reps, but you can't get them if a) you have a broken leg, or b) there is somebody clearly better than you on the roster.
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Love looks legit as s**t... when plays didn't go to plan he moved alittle or alot.. but eitherway hung in there and delivered the ball on covered WRs.. throwing them open. Lafluer also got his players open. Not so worred about Lafluer though.
Obviously I expect/hope we give him a different look.... but I'm expecting him to play well, so we have to play well on offense. Might be a shoot out. Brock can't turn the ball over...and we hopefully get some on Jordan.
We will be the best defense he has faced all year.. sure Dallas looks good on paper.. but they choke and they know they choke.. so when s**t gets alittle bad for them.. both their offense and defense starts pressing.
It felt like Jordan Love was making some really incredible throws without proper base and mechanics. I haven't watched any other Packers game all season, but hope that he doesn't have that magical arm talent to be able to do that week in and week out.
The thing I'll say is that, schematically, Green Bay's offense does the same things we like to do--- attack linebackers in the run and pass game.
Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw are vastly superior to the Cowboys linebackers, and Green Bay shouldn't be able to attack us like they did Dallas.
I think what's critical though is that Arik Armstead returns and solidifies our run game, and interior presence in pass rushing situations. I think our defensive line will flourish when he returns.
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
We are a better team and if our guys don't choke like the Cowboys we should get the "W", but young talented teams playing with house money are dangerous. We have to pound it and impose our will to make it clear to them they aren't playing the Cowboys.
Why do so many people keep saying they are playing with house money or have nothing to lose?
Before the Cowboys game, their fans were happy to make the playoffs. It's completely opposite now and they are talking Super Bowl. And that Love is the 2nd coming of Mahomes. It's round 2 and 2 games away from the Super Bowl. There is no 'nothing to lose' narrative anymore.
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Love looks legit as s**t... when plays didn't go to plan he moved alittle or alot.. but eitherway hung in there and delivered the ball on covered WRs.. throwing them open. Lafluer also got his players open. Not so worred about Lafluer though.
Obviously I expect/hope we give him a different look.... but I'm expecting him to play well, so we have to play well on offense. Might be a shoot out. Brock can't turn the ball over...and we hopefully get some on Jordan.
We will be the best defense he has faced all year.. sure Dallas looks good on paper.. but they choke and they know they choke.. so when s**t gets alittle bad for them.. both their offense and defense starts pressing.
It felt like Jordan Love was making some really incredible throws without proper base and mechanics. I haven't watched any other Packers game all season, but hope that he doesn't have that magical arm talent to be able to do that week in and week out.
The thing I'll say is that, schematically, Green Bay's offense does the same things we like to do--- attack linebackers in the run and pass game.
Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw are vastly superior to the Cowboys linebackers, and Green Bay shouldn't be able to attack us like they did Dallas.
I think what's critical though is that Arik Armstead returns and solidifies our run game, and interior presence in pass rushing situations. I think our defensive line will flourish when he returns.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Love looks legit as s**t... when plays didn't go to plan he moved alittle or alot.. but eitherway hung in there and delivered the ball on covered WRs.. throwing them open. Lafluer also got his players open. Not so worred about Lafluer though.
Obviously I expect/hope we give him a different look.... but I'm expecting him to play well, so we have to play well on offense. Might be a shoot out. Brock can't turn the ball over...and we hopefully get some on Jordan.
We will be the best defense he has faced all year.. sure Dallas looks good on paper.. but they choke and they know they choke.. so when s**t gets alittle bad for them.. both their offense and defense starts pressing.
It felt like Jordan Love was making some really incredible throws without proper base and mechanics. I haven't watched any other Packers game all season, but hope that he doesn't have that magical arm talent to be able to do that week in and week out.
The thing I'll say is that, schematically, Green Bay's offense does the same things we like to do--- attack linebackers in the run and pass game.
Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw are vastly superior to the Cowboys linebackers, and Green Bay shouldn't be able to attack us like they did Dallas.
I think what's critical though is that Arik Armstead returns and solidifies our run game, and interior presence in pass rushing situations. I think our defensive line will flourish when he returns.
I think some of loves stats are inflated because he's played a lot of crappy teams but love has simultaneously done some excellent things too. He proved me wrong, I was trashing him, but he's played good ball. He can only play who's infront of him and he's done the job at a high level for the most part.
i think he will struggle against our defense, I expect us to crush them. I think Kyle owns lefleur and I think our team has the upper hand cause of our vets. GB is young and you can confuse their guys easier because they haven't played much.
they have a lot of good young talent though. Kudos to love but I hope he blows against us. Hahaha
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, Lance was def presented with the opportunity to get a lot of playing time here - it's just bad luck that he kept getting injured. If he would of stayed healthy, he would be (possibly) finishing his second year of snaps rn.
we can differ about how he looked/what the coaches thought etc. but I think Kyle genuinely tried to get him reps. Bad luck and a roster with immediate expectations cut it all short. The team took a huge gamble on Lance and the plan for him had essentially no room for error, I blame that on Kyle, but it's all good. I think he did what he genuinely thought was best for the team at the time. I'd like to see Lance get reps with a team that isn't expecting to compete for a SB and see how he grows. I just don't think he will get that with DAL and honestly i don't want him to. Lol id like to cheer him on but I can't cheer for him in that uniform. Hahah
Originally posted by titan:
Rams would still be a tougher game for us vs GB from a familiarity and divisional game standpoint.
GB and TB are the games I see us having a higher chance of winning. Detroit will be our toughest game and Philly can possibly wake up anytime and could possibly have a good day.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, Lance was def presented with the opportunity to get a lot of playing time here - it's just bad luck that he kept getting injured. If he would of stayed healthy, he would be (possibly) finishing his second year of snaps rn.
we can differ about how he looked/what the coaches thought etc. but I think Kyle genuinely tried to get him reps. Bad luck and a roster with immediate expectations cut it all short. The team took a huge gamble on Lance and the plan for him had essentially no room for error, I blame that on Kyle, but it's all good. I think he did what he genuinely thought was best for the team at the time. I'd like to see Lance get reps with a team that isn't expecting to compete for a SB and see how he grows. I just don't think he will get that with DAL and honestly i don't want him to. Lol id like to cheer him on but I can't cheer for him in that uniform. Hahah
Another comparison that falls short for me simply because Love is and has been a visibly more talented player throwing the football. Lance's throwing talent is wildly overrated by some.
Originally posted by Cosmo:
I feel that Love's throwing ability is wildly overrated. His footwork may be the worst of any starting QB remaining in the playoffs with his signature "fade away" throws. Those are not going to go his way forever, and hopefully the Niners are the first to truly capitalize on it this weekend.
Originally posted by BSofSF:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
We are a better team and if our guys don't choke like the Cowboys we should get the "W", but young talented teams playing with house money are dangerous. We have to pound it and impose our will to make it clear to them they aren't playing the Cowboys.
Why do so many people keep saying they are playing with house money or have nothing to lose?
Before the Cowboys game, their fans were happy to make the playoffs. It's completely opposite now and they are talking Super Bowl. And that Love is the 2nd coming of Mahomes. It's round 2 and 2 games away from the Super Bowl. There is no 'nothing to lose' narrative anymore.
They are playing with house money in the sense that they have already overachieved. If they lose to the #1 seed there will be zero blowback and the season will be seen as a great success for arriving to a competitive level ahead of schedule. Compare that to the Cowboys, who have been (mis)labeled all year as a Super Bowl favorite, or the Niners for that matter. So, yes, they are comparatively playing with house money because they have already beaten expectations. The Niners beat expectations by winning the Super Bowl. Having said that, I don't think the Niners are chokers. I think McCaffrey is dialed in and will perform. Purdy just needs to maintain the mindset that he's had since he came in, that he is just running the offense efficiently.