49ERS vs Packers Pregame Thread - 2023 Season Divisional Round

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I fully expect poster '49ersvPackers' to be going off all week

Why not? Let em have fun and enjoy the week, it's all they have left this season.

Originally posted by NoNameLeft2Take:
Packer fan here getting a take on Niner fan's thoughts. Some of the chatter on the board is priceless. My two cents worth on the game (likely worth less than that given it's unsolicited):

- Niners favored for all the right reasons
- Packers playing with house money and have immense chemistry right now
- Three keys to the game as I see it are Zach Tom on Bosa, Kittle going off potentially and Packers DL versus CMC

Tom stonewalled Micah and has played pro-bowl level most of the year and so he gives Love a chance to not always be running for his life. Packers have been mostly trash against athletic TE's and Kittle on his A game could go off like Ferguson did yesterday. Lastly, although the Packers run defense has greatly improved as of late (specifically our middle run defense), Gary gets sucked in way too often and allows runs outside right for big chunks of yards. I see the latter two occurring this weekend as well.

Absolutely Love Purdy's story and happy to see him succeeding, however he has shown some questionable decision making at times during the Niners losing streak. If he does gift the ball a few times, that's really the only chance I see of the Packers hanging in there. That being said, with a healthy team, home field advantage and a superior roster I feel that this game will be something like 38 to 24 in favor of the Niners as they pound the ball and Kittle opens up the soft underbelly.

Good luck Saturday!

Class act post . You got yourself a great qb with Love. Glad you guys kicked the s**t out of the Cowboys, that was sweet. Should be a good game, cheers.

thl408, can you change the poll options to the odds/point spread/over-under betting options…it's not gonna be the Eagles, Bucs or (lol) Rams

I also think all the media should quit talking like Love is a rookie dudes been in the league for 4 years.

Originally posted by NoNameLeft2Take:
Packer fan here getting a take on Niner fan's thoughts. Some of the chatter on the board is priceless. My two cents worth on the game (likely worth less than that given it's unsolicited):

- Niners favored for all the right reasons
- Packers playing with house money and have immense chemistry right now
- Three keys to the game as I see it are Zach Tom on Bosa, Kittle going off potentially and Packers DL versus CMC

Tom stonewalled Micah and has played pro-bowl level most of the year and so he gives Love a chance to not always be running for his life. Packers have been mostly trash against athletic TE's and Kittle on his A game could go off like Ferguson did yesterday. Lastly, although the Packers run defense has greatly improved as of late (specifically our middle run defense), Gary gets sucked in way too often and allows runs outside right for big chunks of yards. I see the latter two occurring this weekend as well.

Absolutely Love Purdy's story and happy to see him succeeding, however he has shown some questionable decision making at times during the Niners losing streak. If he does gift the ball a few times, that's really the only chance I see of the Packers hanging in there. That being said, with a healthy team, home field advantage and a superior roster I feel that this game will be something like 38 to 24 in favor of the Niners as they pound the ball and Kittle opens up the soft underbelly.

Good luck Saturday!

you got our score right, packers wont get over 17

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
you got our score right, packers wont get over 17

Although I can definitely see that be the case too, I love overconfidence in other teams. Packers need every advantage they can get to try and make a game of it.

Originally posted by NoNameLeft2Take:

Packer fan here getting a take on Niner fan's thoughts. Some of the chatter on the board is priceless. My two cents worth on the game (likely worth less than that given it's unsolicited):

- Niners favored for all the right reasons
- Packers playing with house money and have immense chemistry right now
- Three keys to the game as I see it are Zach Tom on Bosa, Kittle going off potentially and Packers DL versus CMC

Tom stonewalled Micah and has played pro-bowl level most of the year and so he gives Love a chance to not always be running for his life. Packers have been mostly trash against athletic TE's and Kittle on his A game could go off like Ferguson did yesterday. Lastly, although the Packers run defense has greatly improved as of late (specifically our middle run defense), Gary gets sucked in way too often and allows runs outside right for big chunks of yards. I see the latter two occurring this weekend as well.

Absolutely Love Purdy's story and happy to see him succeeding, however he has shown some questionable decision making at times during the Niners losing streak. If he does gift the ball a few times, that's really the only chance I see of the Packers hanging in there. That being said, with a healthy team, home field advantage and a superior roster I feel that this game will be something like 38 to 24 in favor of the Niners as they pound the ball and Kittle opens up the soft underbelly.

Good luck Saturday!

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
1 thing not being considered is that our defense will always favor allowing offenses to dink and dunk down the field over giving up the deep ball. Those Jordan fadeaway shots are a no no against this defense. Can Love be methodical and stay on schedule? I am not so sure about that. Love is 8th lowest in the league at passes 9 yards or less. If the packers are going to find success through the passing game, they are going to have to be able to run the ball on us. Back when everyone was healthy we were top 5 in the league in YPA and YPG allowed. Everyone is healthy including Armstead and are ready to go.

Agree that our defense is - to a certain extent - is a bend but don't break defense. They are really tough in the redzone. Match that with a very explosive offense and you have the number 1 seed. Packers have to play a really perfect game to win and the 49ers have to make some mistakes and have a negative net turnover disadvantage for the Packers to win at Levi.

Our defense actually is middle of the pack as far as redzone scoring. Packers D is around the same. The difference though is 49ers give up the 2nd lowest redzone opportunities per game, while the packers are 25th in that category.

Agree, and to a certain extent the 49ers *offense* kind of inflates the 49er defensive numbers. I.e. that ball control offense does limit what the opposing offenses can do against this 49er defense. So while the 49ers defense is good - just how good exactly - I have some doubts.

There is your answer. There 17th ranked defense is not going to be able to stop our 2nd ranked offense, especially our running game. We have the #1 redzone offense in the NFL and they have a middle of the pack redzone defense.

Yes, Agree 💯%, and I think we will win because of our offensive talent more than our defensive talent. (although our defense is pretty good) If Kyle is smart - he'll run CMC down Matt LaFleur's throat. I don't think Green Bay can stop our ground game consistently so long as Purdy is going to make those critical third down throws.

Green Bay took the option of receiving the ball against Dallas, and I think 49ers - if they win the toss, will give Green Bay the opportunity to go on offense first. I'm betting if Green Bay also wins the toss, they will take the ball and go on offense first - they don't want to fall behind the 49ers too soon.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by joeknows:
The idea that Love was allowed to play but Lance wasn't, simply isn't true.

Year 1 - Lance - 2nd String (starts 2 games); Love - 3rd String (doesn't even dress for a single game)
Year 2 - Lance - Starting QB (is injured during 2nd start); Love - 2nd String (started 1 game)
Year 3 - Lance 3rd String (leaves prior to season); Love - 2nd String (started 0 games)

I agree that Lance still has big time potential, but to say he wasn't given opportunity is inaccurate as far as I'm concerned.

He was very unlucky in that two very badly-timed injuries curtailed him, and then internal competition provided a very unexpected redundancy for him.

Love actually played a full year of football….as a starter. He was not good at the beginning of the year or in spot starts. He actually got to play meaningful football. The whole he developed on the bench s**t is dumb. He didn't improve until he got to play real football.

Lance got what 30 passing attempts as a starter here? Not backup s**t tossed into games with no meaningful reps with starters. I'm talking you're the guy all off season and get a year to play football. Lance got 30 passing attempts and 90% of those came in a rain storm. Dats it.

If I told people that Lance could be Jordan love at the beginning of this year, ya'll would have laughed and hated it. Now a bunch of you are afraid to play him this week lol.

What took place this yr backs up my stance that playing live football making young players who NEED NFL reps better…not sitting on the bench.

again I don't want to debate it all day…it's over and Brock is the man. That's my two cents on the subject.

Love played a year of football as a Year Four pro. Lance was presented with a year of football as a Year Two pro, but could not perform (not his fault).
Had Lance stayed healthy he would also have played a ton of snaps last season, even if he had a start like Love's. If Purdy had not defied all expectations Lance would have had further chances too.

In other words, the coaching staff here provided Lance with as much opportunity as they were able.

I agree that Lance needs reps, but you can't get them if a) you have a broken leg, or b) there is somebody clearly better than you on the roster.

Yeah, Lance was def presented with the opportunity to get a lot of playing time here - it's just bad luck that he kept getting injured. If he would of stayed healthy, he would be (possibly) finishing his second year of snaps rn.

we can differ about how he looked/what the coaches thought etc. but I think Kyle genuinely tried to get him reps. Bad luck and a roster with immediate expectations cut it all short. The team took a huge gamble on Lance and the plan for him had essentially no room for error, I blame that on Kyle, but it's all good. I think he did what he genuinely thought was best for the team at the time. I'd like to see Lance get reps with a team that isn't expecting to compete for a SB and see how he grows. I just don't think he will get that with DAL and honestly i don't want him to. Lol id like to cheer him on but I can't cheer for him in that uniform. Hahah

AGree, a big arm and great footspeed will help win *some* games - but not all games. What wins games for a QB is that QB's accuracy and processing speed and all the other intangibles that matter - leadership, poise, maturity, work ethic. With a QB like Brock, I think it makes it easier for a Coach to get the players needed to have a super bowl offense. You don't need the best running back, WR, or TE (but it helps). As long as you can give Purdy a good solid defense and a good solid set of offensive linemen - you don't need all stars at the offensive skill positions - and in fact - it will elevate the skill positions with a good OLine.

That being said, next year - I'd take a flyer on Mac Jones, Kyle Trask and David Mills - if they are available in free agency.

I think you are right. That said, there is an emerging argument here that Brock Purdy has become the exception not the rule. Just look who's still in:

- BAL > Jackson
- KC > Mahomes
- BUF[likely] > Allen
- HOU > Stroud
- GB > Love
- PHIL[probably] > Hurts
- SF > Purdy
- LA > Goff

It would seem like the tall, fast, big arm QBs have been owning it thus far. I think Purdy is a good QB and he's going to have his shot to prove he's elite starting this Saturday. Are we swimming against the current with Brock? We're about to find out.

It's worth noting also that Montana was a winner, but he was never elite in the sense that Elway or Marino were (physically gifted).

Originally posted by NoNameLeft2Take:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
you got our score right, packers wont get over 17

Although I can definitely see that be the case too, I love overconfidence in other teams. Packers need every advantage they can get to try and make a game of it.

Yeah, there will always be overconfidence with other team's fans. To me it's stupid because there's no guarantee especially in the playoffs. I think it'll be tough game and a close one.

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by joeknows:
The idea that Love was allowed to play but Lance wasn't, simply isn't true.

Year 1 - Lance - 2nd String (starts 2 games); Love - 3rd String (doesn't even dress for a single game)
Year 2 - Lance - Starting QB (is injured during 2nd start); Love - 2nd String (started 1 game)
Year 3 - Lance 3rd String (leaves prior to season); Love - 2nd String (started 0 games)

I agree that Lance still has big time potential, but to say he wasn't given opportunity is inaccurate as far as I'm concerned.

He was very unlucky in that two very badly-timed injuries curtailed him, and then internal competition provided a very unexpected redundancy for him.

Love actually played a full year of football….as a starter. He was not good at the beginning of the year or in spot starts. He actually got to play meaningful football. The whole he developed on the bench s**t is dumb. He didn't improve until he got to play real football.

Lance got what 30 passing attempts as a starter here? Not backup s**t tossed into games with no meaningful reps with starters. I'm talking you're the guy all off season and get a year to play football. Lance got 30 passing attempts and 90% of those came in a rain storm. Dats it.

If I told people that Lance could be Jordan love at the beginning of this year, ya'll would have laughed and hated it. Now a bunch of you are afraid to play him this week lol.

What took place this yr backs up my stance that playing live football making young players who NEED NFL reps better…not sitting on the bench.

again I don't want to debate it all day…it's over and Brock is the man. That's my two cents on the subject.

Love played a year of football as a Year Four pro. Lance was presented with a year of football as a Year Two pro, but could not perform (not his fault).
Had Lance stayed healthy he would also have played a ton of snaps last season, even if he had a start like Love's. If Purdy had not defied all expectations Lance would have had further chances too.

In other words, the coaching staff here provided Lance with as much opportunity as they were able.

I agree that Lance needs reps, but you can't get them if a) you have a broken leg, or b) there is somebody clearly better than you on the roster.

Yeah, Lance was def presented with the opportunity to get a lot of playing time here - it's just bad luck that he kept getting injured. If he would of stayed healthy, he would be (possibly) finishing his second year of snaps rn.

we can differ about how he looked/what the coaches thought etc. but I think Kyle genuinely tried to get him reps. Bad luck and a roster with immediate expectations cut it all short. The team took a huge gamble on Lance and the plan for him had essentially no room for error, I blame that on Kyle, but it's all good. I think he did what he genuinely thought was best for the team at the time. I'd like to see Lance get reps with a team that isn't expecting to compete for a SB and see how he grows. I just don't think he will get that with DAL and honestly i don't want him to. Lol id like to cheer him on but I can't cheer for him in that uniform. Hahah

AGree, a big arm and great footspeed will help win *some* games - but not all games. What wins games for a QB is that QB's accuracy and processing speed and all the other intangibles that matter - leadership, poise, maturity, work ethic. With a QB like Brock, I think it makes it easier for a Coach to get the players needed to have a super bowl offense. You don't need the best running back, WR, or TE (but it helps). As long as you can give Purdy a good solid defense and a good solid set of offensive linemen - you don't need all stars at the offensive skill positions - and in fact - it will elevate the skill positions with a good OLine.

That being said, next year - I'd take a flyer on Mac Jones, Kyle Trask and David Mills - if they are available in free agency.

I think you are right. That said, there is an emerging argument here that Brock Purdy has become the exception not the rule. Just look who's still in:

- BAL > Jackson
- KC > Mahomes
- BUF[likely] > Allen
- HOU > Stroud
- GB > Love
- PHIL[probably] > Hurts
- SF > Purdy
- LA > Goff

It would seem like the tall, fast, big arm QBs have been owning it thus far. I think Purdy is a good QB and he's going to have his shot to prove he's elite starting this Saturday. Are we swimming against the current with Brock? We're about to find out.

It's worth noting also that Montana was a winner, but he was never elite in the sense that Elway or Marino were (physically gifted).

Tom Brady wasn't physically gifted , and that's all that needs to be said.

Originally posted by BMoore56:
Tom Brady wasn't physically gifted , and that's all that needs to be said.

Yup. Elite doesn't necessarily require physical gifts. They certainly help though.

Originally posted by NoNameLeft2Take:
Packer fan here getting a take on Niner fan's thoughts. Some of the chatter on the board is priceless. My two cents worth on the game (likely worth less than that given it's unsolicited):

- Niners favored for all the right reasons
- Packers playing with house money and have immense chemistry right now
- Three keys to the game as I see it are Zach Tom on Bosa, Kittle going off potentially and Packers DL versus CMC

Tom stonewalled Micah and has played pro-bowl level most of the year and so he gives Love a chance to not always be running for his life. Packers have been mostly trash against athletic TE's and Kittle on his A game could go off like Ferguson did yesterday. Lastly, although the Packers run defense has greatly improved as of late (specifically our middle run defense), Gary gets sucked in way too often and allows runs outside right for big chunks of yards. I see the latter two occurring this weekend as well.

Absolutely Love Purdy's story and happy to see him succeeding, however he has shown some questionable decision making at times during the Niners losing streak. If he does gift the ball a few times, that's really the only chance I see of the Packers hanging in there. That being said, with a healthy team, home field advantage and a superior roster I feel that this game will be something like 38 to 24 in favor of the Niners as they pound the ball and Kittle opens up the soft underbelly.

Good luck Saturday!

Hard to argue with that! GB and SF has been a fun rivalry and I've never hated the team in the way I might the Dallas Cowboys. The Packers did everyone a favor in dispatching Dallas. I'll try to counter with some observations of my own in the same spirit as your post:

• The Dallas game was Love's coming out party. If he has another game like the one he had this weekend the Packers are going win.
• The 49ers have had trouble with mobile QBs in the past.
• For GB,
  • I think they're going to need to get A.Jones going early. He was hurting Dallas all day but I'm not sure he's going to have it so easy in SF.
  • Pass protection. If SF can get pressure without blitzing so often it could be a long day for GB. Dallas had to bring a lot of pressure and Love made them pay for it.
  • Defensively, containing CMC has got to be #1. If he gets going it allows everything else to flow. They'll also need to clog the intermediate routes as Purdy excels in that area. Easier said than done. Only team to really stop it was Baltimore and they have two of the leagues best MLB's.

Loves performance against Dallas really makes this game difficult to project. What we're definitely going to see next Saturday is two of the best young QB's go at it on primetime TV. 49ers can't lose this one otherwise i'll never hear the end of it. My brother in law and best friend are Packers fans.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
1 thing not being considered is that our defense will always favor allowing offenses to dink and dunk down the field over giving up the deep ball. Those Jordan fadeaway shots are a no no against this defense. Can Love be methodical and stay on schedule? I am not so sure about that. Love is 8th lowest in the league at passes 9 yards or less. If the packers are going to find success through the passing game, they are going to have to be able to run the ball on us. Back when everyone was healthy we were top 5 in the league in YPA and YPG allowed. Everyone is healthy including Armstead and are ready to go.

Agree that our defense is - to a certain extent - is a bend but don't break defense. They are really tough in the redzone. Match that with a very explosive offense and you have the number 1 seed. Packers have to play a really perfect game to win and the 49ers have to make some mistakes and have a negative net turnover disadvantage for the Packers to win at Levi.

Our defense actually is middle of the pack as far as redzone scoring. Packers D is around the same. The difference though is 49ers give up the 2nd lowest redzone opportunities per game, while the packers are 25th in that category.

Agree, and to a certain extent the 49ers *offense* kind of inflates the 49er defensive numbers. I.e. that ball control offense does limit what the opposing offenses can do against this 49er defense. So while the 49ers defense is good - just how good exactly - I have some doubts.

There is your answer. There 17th ranked defense is not going to be able to stop our 2nd ranked offense, especially our running game. We have the #1 redzone offense in the NFL and they have a middle of the pack redzone defense.

Yes, Agree 💯%, and I think we will win because of our offensive talent more than our defensive talent. (although our defense is pretty good) If Kyle is smart - he'll run CMC down Matt LaFleur's throat. I don't think Green Bay can stop our ground game consistently so long as Purdy is going to make those critical third down throws.

Green Bay took the option of receiving the ball against Dallas, and I think 49ers - if they win the toss, will give Green Bay the opportunity to go on offense first. I'm betting if Green Bay also wins the toss, they will take the ball and go on offense first - they don't want to fall behind the 49ers too soon.

I was thinking this as well. we are always trying to get the ball to end the 1st half and start the 2nd half.

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by joeknows:
The idea that Love was allowed to play but Lance wasn't, simply isn't true.

Year 1 - Lance - 2nd String (starts 2 games); Love - 3rd String (doesn't even dress for a single game)
Year 2 - Lance - Starting QB (is injured during 2nd start); Love - 2nd String (started 1 game)
Year 3 - Lance 3rd String (leaves prior to season); Love - 2nd String (started 0 games)

I agree that Lance still has big time potential, but to say he wasn't given opportunity is inaccurate as far as I'm concerned.

He was very unlucky in that two very badly-timed injuries curtailed him, and then internal competition provided a very unexpected redundancy for him.

Love actually played a full year of football….as a starter. He was not good at the beginning of the year or in spot starts. He actually got to play meaningful football. The whole he developed on the bench s**t is dumb. He didn't improve until he got to play real football.

Lance got what 30 passing attempts as a starter here? Not backup s**t tossed into games with no meaningful reps with starters. I'm talking you're the guy all off season and get a year to play football. Lance got 30 passing attempts and 90% of those came in a rain storm. Dats it.

If I told people that Lance could be Jordan love at the beginning of this year, ya'll would have laughed and hated it. Now a bunch of you are afraid to play him this week lol.

What took place this yr backs up my stance that playing live football making young players who NEED NFL reps better…not sitting on the bench.

again I don't want to debate it all day…it's over and Brock is the man. That's my two cents on the subject.

Love played a year of football as a Year Four pro. Lance was presented with a year of football as a Year Two pro, but could not perform (not his fault).
Had Lance stayed healthy he would also have played a ton of snaps last season, even if he had a start like Love's. If Purdy had not defied all expectations Lance would have had further chances too.

In other words, the coaching staff here provided Lance with as much opportunity as they were able.

I agree that Lance needs reps, but you can't get them if a) you have a broken leg, or b) there is somebody clearly better than you on the roster.

Yeah, Lance was def presented with the opportunity to get a lot of playing time here - it's just bad luck that he kept getting injured. If he would of stayed healthy, he would be (possibly) finishing his second year of snaps rn.

we can differ about how he looked/what the coaches thought etc. but I think Kyle genuinely tried to get him reps. Bad luck and a roster with immediate expectations cut it all short. The team took a huge gamble on Lance and the plan for him had essentially no room for error, I blame that on Kyle, but it's all good. I think he did what he genuinely thought was best for the team at the time. I'd like to see Lance get reps with a team that isn't expecting to compete for a SB and see how he grows. I just don't think he will get that with DAL and honestly i don't want him to. Lol id like to cheer him on but I can't cheer for him in that uniform. Hahah

AGree, a big arm and great footspeed will help win *some* games - but not all games. What wins games for a QB is that QB's accuracy and processing speed and all the other intangibles that matter - leadership, poise, maturity, work ethic. With a QB like Brock, I think it makes it easier for a Coach to get the players needed to have a super bowl offense. You don't need the best running back, WR, or TE (but it helps). As long as you can give Purdy a good solid defense and a good solid set of offensive linemen - you don't need all stars at the offensive skill positions - and in fact - it will elevate the skill positions with a good OLine.

That being said, next year - I'd take a flyer on Mac Jones, Kyle Trask and David Mills - if they are available in free agency.

I think you are right. That said, there is an emerging argument here that Brock Purdy has become the exception not the rule. Just look who's still in:

- BAL > Jackson
- KC > Mahomes
- BUF[likely] > Allen
- HOU > Stroud
- GB > Love
- PHIL[probably] > Hurts
- SF > Purdy
- LA > Goff

It would seem like the tall, fast, big arm QBs have been owning it thus far. I think Purdy is a good QB and he's going to have his shot to prove he's elite starting this Saturday. Are we swimming against the current with Brock? We're about to find out.

It's worth noting also that Montana was a winner, but he was never elite in the sense that Elway or Marino were (physically gifted).

If Brock is an exception, it's because Kyle as a coach is an exception. Bill Belichick spotted Brady's talent despite being a defensive coach and he was one hell of a defensive coach. Walsh was the same way back in the day. What he did with Montana couldn't be duplicated by his other contemporary coaches. Neither Shula nor Tom Landry were able to beat Walsh and his system. Both the Cowboys and Miam back in the day had to hire previous 49er coaches to their staff to even have a chance against Bill Walsh and his successors. If you look at the proliferation of Kyle Shanahan copycats in the NFL, only his direct disciples seem to do it successfully.

As for big armed QB's - Purdy's arm isn't weak. I think that is a mistake in evaluation. Purdy's arm is comparable to an above average arm in the NFL in my opinion. I.e. he's not deficient in arm talent. He can throw it 40+ yards with no problem. He's not Patric Mahomes arm, but in my opinion, I think he's just a step below Pat in the arm strength category. Add in Kyle's system and he doesn't *need* to have a big arm to operate this offense. I think Mr. YacBros had a stat that said that Patrick Mahomes threw - in average air yards - the same as Brock. In other words, both Patrick and Brock are throwing about the same distance in their respective offensive systems.