Should the 49ers retain Steve Wilks?

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Crown:
Zero sacks.
Average Pressure.

This has to change.

we allowed 21 points and the red zone D was amazing and pressure caused 2 interceptions

their 2 biggest pass plays came from when our defenders slipped

Yup add in no TDs in first half. 4th down stop. They had a TD to Doubs I believe but for Ward driving on the ball and getting a pass deflection. GB is pretty unique in keeping the QB clean, DAL couldn't get home either, no one gets home vs GB.

i mean looking at the stats less than 200 yards passing and 330 total yards allowed with 2 int and a 4th down stop

people complaining about the defense this game when you look at whole game is kind of a ridiculous take

I don't know what games you guys watch. It's like you go back after the fact and in hindsight point out irrelevant stats. Yes the Niners D clamped down when it mattered most, which was midway in the 4th quarter AFTER GB had a 53 yard run. Before that, we couldn't stop a nose bleed and they didn't punt until the 4th quarter. How you can look at raw numbers and say we are a successful unit on defense is beyond me. I guess you guys also must have thought Dak played lights out against the Packers last week as well.

Originally posted by DrEll:
No No No.

this defense has underachieved. You don't need stats to see that. For the amount of money we've invested on that unit, and given pro bowlers / all pros at every level, this should be a top ranked defense week in and week out. It's obviously not, and the dip is clearly from bringing an outsider (Wilks) into the mix and not playing to our players strengths.

I hope some team is dope enough to hire him but they won't and Shanny will retain him and it sucks.

I agree about this defense under achieving. They have high draft picks and top free agents all along the front. For some reason they are having trouble getting to the QB. Maybe it's the scheme they use or maybe they need to blitz a little more. I think they lack a good speed rusher. All the linemen are more power than speed. Sometimes a really fast edge rusher is more effective than someone that just tries to bull their way in. It depends on the type of O line they're facing.

Yesterday they gave up 100 yards to a RB for the first time in 51 games. The announcer was quick (and correct) in pointing out that one of the reasons is opposing teams often are trailing the 49ers and are forced to pass instead of running. If they face Detroit they may have trouble stopping them. They have 2 good RBs. One with power and one with speed. They also have a great O line. That translates to minimal pressure on Goff as well as the running game controlling the ball and keeping the Niners O off the field.

Originally posted by DrEll:
I don't know what games you guys watch. It's like you go back after the fact and in hindsight point out irrelevant stats. Yes the Niners D clamped down when it mattered most, which was midway in the 4th quarter AFTER GB had a 53 yard run. Before that, we couldn't stop a nose bleed and they didn't punt until the 4th quarter. How you can look at raw numbers and say we are a successful unit on defense is beyond me. I guess you guys also must have thought Dak played lights out against the Packers last week as well.

no the dallas game was a blow out and anything past halftime was garbage time. This game never got more than a 2 score lead for any team so the whole game is important when it comes to stats

Because we had 3 TO allowed 21 points and 2 TDs anytime a defense allows less than 3 TD in a game i would say they do their job anytime a D gets more than2 TO i would say they did their job

also half of aaron jones yards came off that 1 run

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree about this defense under achieving. They have high draft picks and top free agents all along the front. For some reason they are having trouble getting to the QB. Maybe it's the scheme they use or maybe they need to blitz a little more. I think they lack a good speed rusher. All the linemen are more power than speed. Sometimes a really fast edge rusher is more effective than someone that just tries to bull their way in. It depends on the type of O line they're facing.

Yesterday they gave up 100 yards to a RB for the first time in 51 games. The announcer was quick (and correct) in pointing out that one of the reasons is opposing teams often are trailing the 49ers and are forced to pass instead of running. If they face Detroit they may have trouble stopping them. They have 2 good RBs. One with power and one with speed. They also have a great O line. That translates to minimal pressure on Goff as well as the running game controlling the ball and keeping the Niners O off the field.

Excellent post!!

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Crown:
Zero sacks.
Average Pressure.

This has to change.

we allowed 21 points and the red zone D was amazing and pressure caused 2 interceptions

their 2 biggest pass plays came from when our defenders slipped

Yup add in no TDs in first half. 4th down stop. They had a TD to Doubs I believe but for Ward driving on the ball and getting a pass deflection. GB is pretty unique in keeping the QB clean, DAL couldn't get home either, no one gets home vs GB.

i mean looking at the stats less than 200 yards passing and 330 total yards allowed with 2 int and a 4th down stop

people complaining about the defense this game when you look at whole game is kind of a ridiculous take

But I don't see how we can't get pass rush and sacks with this group. It's ridiculous. On paper it's the most talented group in the league. But they can't scheme their way to the QB. Happy for the turnovers, red zone stops and the win. But still some red flags here IMO. They way we get gashed in the run game and can't get to the QB in the pass game is a problem.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
But I don't see how we can't get pass rush and sacks with this group. It's ridiculous. On paper it's the most talented group in the league. But they can't scheme their way to the QB. Happy for the turnovers, red zone stops and the win. But still some red flags here IMO. They way we get gashed in the run game and can't get to the QB in the pass game is a problem.

we have more sacks than last year and one of the leaders in 'QB hits so we're getting there. The difference is Bosa isn't getting 20 sacks like last year so it feels different.

The run game is worse than last year because Hargrave is a below-average run defender ( but a great pass rusher from the interior) and missing a guy like DJ hurts Gb is the third least-sacked team in NFL this year because Love moves from the pocket well and he moves backwards too to make those backfoot throws and that's why we didn't end up sacking the QB yesterday but i guarantee you he moved off from the pocket a lot because we did get pressure which is what led to2 interceptions

I was not impressed with the D against the Packers yesterday. Not in the slightest. VERY much reminded me of how we played during the 3 game slide.

Originally posted by ritz126:
we have more sacks than last year and one of the leaders in 'QB hits so we're getting there. The difference is Bosa isn't getting 20 sacks like last year so it feels different.

The run game is worse than last year because Hargrave is a below-average run defender ( but a great pass rusher from the interior) and missing a guy like DJ hurts Gb is the third least-sacked team in NFL this year because Love moves from the pocket well and he moves backwards too to make those backfoot throws and that's why we didn't end up sacking the QB yesterday but i guarantee you he moved off from the pocket a lot because we did get pressure which is what led to2 interceptions

O lines gave up the same amount of pressures.

Difference is 9ers scheme allows for easy completions to outlets because of the soft zone drops.

Originally posted by WINiner:
I was not impressed with the D against the Packers yesterday. Not in the slightest. VERY much reminded me of how we played during the 3 game slide.

again when is 3 TO and 2 TD allowed a bad performance?

you guys have super unrealistic expectations of what a good defense is this isn't 20 years ago. I would love to take a survey of the age of people who think defense played dbad i but most watched football in early 80s to 90s where the rules were way different than now

Actually im kind of curious to people who sau defense didn't play well

If on offense we had 2 TD and had 3 TO would you say the offense played well?

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I was not impressed with the D against the Packers yesterday. Not in the slightest. VERY much reminded me of how we played during the 3 game slide.

again when is 3 TO and 2 TD allowed a bad performance?

you guys have super unrealistic expectations of what a good defense is this isn't 20 years ago. I would love to take a survey of the age of people who think defense played dbad i but most watched football in early 80s to 90s where the rules were way different than now

The defense is still playing pretty good but I think many of us feel they should be better with the talent they have in the front 7. I've seen too many games where the D can't get off the field. It seemed like they were getting more 3 and outs early in the year. GB only punted once yesterday.

Originally posted by ritz126:
again when is 3 TO and 2 TD allowed a bad performance?

you guys have super unrealistic expectations of what a good defense is this isn't 20 years ago

Every time you defend this defense you focus almost solely on statistical results. Did they do good job limiting GB to FGs early and coming up in the clutch late? 100 percent yes they did. They also allowed GB to dominate the ball early and it contributed to our offense not being on the field and not having a chance at a rhythm. We had 3 1st half possessions on O… which is crazy. Our offense has to be super efficient when our D is that soft, and last night it wasn't. Almost cost us the season. The efficiency of the offense all season has shielded this defense. It is a good defense but def not what it has been and is clearly underperforming based on talent. What the reasons are is hard to say.

We're down in DVOA, and EPA/play. Our run defense is not good. We usually are kicking teams asses and that forces teams to be one dimensional on offense in 2nd halves. Our D has thrived with multiple score leads.

Honestly think the defense late in last nights game bought our offense the extra opportunities it needed, so that was fantastic… but it was once again a big time struggle against a good offense with good coaching and it was far from the type of performance overall you'd want to see with our team rested and with the talent we at least think we have.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The defense is still playing pretty good but I think many of us feel they should be better with the talent they have in the front 7. I've seen too many games where the D can't get off the field. It seemed like they were getting more 3 and outs early in the year. GB only punted once yesterday.

Wilks may have improved the secondary but his use of his pieces up front has been awful. You have Bosa, Chase Young, Hargrave, Armstead and you still can't get off the field on third down or get consistent pressure on the QB? Ryans was far better at that stuff, using stunts and being creative on how he utilized his DL to maximize pressure on the quarterback.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Wilks may have improved the secondary but his use of his pieces up front has been awful. You have Bosa, Chase Young, Hargrave, Armstead and you still can't get off the field on third down or get consistent pressure on the QB? Ryans was far better at that stuff, using stunts and being creative on how he utilized his DL to maximize pressure on the quarterback.

That combined with everything dropping near the sticks allowing for an easy dump off for 5-7 yards.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Wilks may have improved the secondary but his use of his pieces up front has been awful. You have Bosa, Chase Young, Hargrave, Armstead and you still can't get off the field on third down or get consistent pressure on the QB? Ryans was far better at that stuff, using stunts and being creative on how he utilized his DL to maximize pressure on the quarterback.

That combined with everything dropping near the sticks allowing for an easy dump off for 5-7 yards.

Did people don't remember? We were complaining about the soft zone for easy underneath throws throughout the Demaco and Saleh era.