49ERS vs Lions Pregame thread 2023 Season NFCCG

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Laporta is only averaging like 10.3 yards per reception which is good for 46th in the league amongst TE's. He is 27th in passer rating when targeted and is tied for 4th most INT's when targeted. I think where Laporta is most dangerous is in the redzone. He leads the league with 10 TD catches among TE's. So I imagine we'll be giving him extra attention in that area.

St. Brown is only averaging 12.7 yards per reception which is 51st lowest among WR's in the league. He is 88th in the league in ADoT. He is 17th in the league in YAC per reception, is tied for 9th in missed tackles forced and he is also a big redzone threat with 10 TD catches.

Jared Goff is dead last in the league in deep ball attempts amongst QB's with atleast 18 attempts. Has 5 TD's to 4 INT's on the deep ball. So I don't imagine him testing the deep ball much if at all in this game. Especially against a secondary that leads the league in INT's. He is ranked ranked 32nd in BTT% at 3.1% on all dropbacks. He is 38th in the league in ADoT.

DET is 12th in the league in YAC per completion and 8th in the league in 1stD%. If we slow down their rushing attack and we tackle well, we should win easily.

Cool man, thanks for that..but maybe he will go full Jordan Love and shoot for that deep ball anyway under pressure and Big Play Dre gets another inty:)

hopefully banks doesn't false start again

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sacks are great for the stat sheet sure and it can get the crowd into it. However they have nowhere near as much of an impact as an INT has on the crowd or in the game. Lets be real. Also, some context needs to be taken into consideration here. GB max protected, chipped, double teamed a lot in that game. I mean a lot a lot. The pressure forced Love to make a few errant throws with 2 of them being INT'd. I will take 2 of those in the 4th quarter over 2 sacks every single game.

2019 Defense: 48 sacks; 12 INTs
2022 Defense: 44 sacks; 20 INTs
2023 Defense: 48 sacks; 22 INTs

The sacks this year are actually higher, which surprises me, though Bosa's numbers are way off. The INTs are marginally higher this year. So, the numbers don't really back up my argument.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Laporta is only averaging like 10.3 yards per reception which is good for 46th in the league amongst TE's. He is 27th in passer rating when targeted and is tied for 4th most INT's when targeted. I think where Laporta is most dangerous is in the redzone. He leads the league with 10 TD catches among TE's. So I imagine we'll be giving him extra attention in that area.

St. Brown is only averaging 12.7 yards per reception which is 51st lowest among WR's in the league. He is 88th in the league in ADoT. He is 17th in the league in YAC per reception, is tied for 9th in missed tackles forced and he is also a big redzone threat with 10 TD catches.

Jared Goff is dead last in the league in deep ball attempts amongst QB's with atleast 18 attempts. Has 5 TD's to 4 INT's on the deep ball. So I don't imagine him testing the deep ball much if at all in this game. Especially against a secondary that leads the league in INT's. He is ranked ranked 32nd in BTT% at 3.1% on all dropbacks. He is 38th in the league in ADoT.

DET is 12th in the league in YAC per completion and 8th in the league in 1stD%. If we slow down their rushing attack and we tackle well, we should win easily.

Cool man, thanks for that..but maybe he will go full Jordan Love and shoot for that deep ball anyway under pressure and Big Play Dre gets another inty:)

Goff is a solid QB but he really only plays well when things are going well for him. Give him some adversity and he struggles really bad.

for him to have the year he's had, it's taken an elite o line and bevy of weapons.

he would struggle here because the o line protection isn't very good. Brocks ability to play under pressure and avoid pressure has been pivotal in this sessons success.

this will be our easiest game this post season. I'm more worried about getting out of this game healthy.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sacks are great for the stat sheet sure and it can get the crowd into it. However they have nowhere near as much of an impact as an INT has on the crowd or in the game. Lets be real. Also, some context needs to be taken into consideration here. GB max protected, chipped, double teamed a lot in that game. I mean a lot a lot. The pressure forced Love to make a few errant throws with 2 of them being INT'd. I will take 2 of those in the 4th quarter over 2 sacks every single game.

2022 Defense: 44 sacks; 20 INTs
2023 Defense: 48 sacks; 22 INTs

The sacks this year are actually higher, which surprises me, though Bosa's numbers are way off. The INTs are marginally higher this year. So, the numbers don't really back up my argument.

You don't think pressure created INT's last year as well?

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sacks are great for the stat sheet sure and it can get the crowd into it. However they have nowhere near as much of an impact as an INT has on the crowd or in the game. Lets be real. Also, some context needs to be taken into consideration here. GB max protected, chipped, double teamed a lot in that game. I mean a lot a lot. The pressure forced Love to make a few errant throws with 2 of them being INT'd. I will take 2 of those in the 4th quarter over 2 sacks every single game.

2022 Defense: 44 sacks; 20 INTs
2023 Defense: 48 sacks; 22 INTs

The sacks this year are actually higher, which surprises me, though Bosa's numbers are way off. The INTs are marginally higher this year. So, the numbers don't really back up my argument.

Props to you, BSofSF. Did the research and posted it even when it didn't support your argument. Good stuff man. The forum needs more discussions to go like this.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Laporta is only averaging like 10.3 yards per reception which is good for 46th in the league amongst TE's. He is 27th in passer rating when targeted and is tied for 4th most INT's when targeted. I think where Laporta is most dangerous is in the redzone. He leads the league with 10 TD catches among TE's. So I imagine we'll be giving him extra attention in that area.

St. Brown is only averaging 12.7 yards per reception which is 51st lowest among WR's in the league. He is 88th in the league in ADoT. He is 17th in the league in YAC per reception, is tied for 9th in missed tackles forced and he is also a big redzone threat with 10 TD catches.

Jared Goff is dead last in the league in deep ball attempts amongst QB's with atleast 18 attempts. Has 5 TD's to 4 INT's on the deep ball. So I don't imagine him testing the deep ball much if at all in this game. Especially against a secondary that leads the league in INT's. He is ranked ranked 32nd in BTT% at 3.1% on all dropbacks. He is 38th in the league in ADoT.

DET is 12th in the league in YAC per completion and 8th in the league in 1stD%. If we slow down their rushing attack and we tackle well, we should win easily.

Cool man, thanks for that..but maybe he will go full Jordan Love and shoot for that deep ball anyway under pressure and Big Play Dre gets another inty:)

I'm shocked Goff's deep throws numbers are that low. I thought they were a good playaction, hit the intermediate, type of passing attack. What is a deep ball attempt classified as? Maybe Goff's numbers in the intermediate range is good?

Originally posted by tankle104:
Goff is a solid QB but he really only plays well when things are going well for him. Give him some adversity and he struggles really bad.

for him to have the year he's had, it's taken an elite o line and bevy of weapons.

he would struggle here because the o line protection isn't very good. Brocks ability to play under pressure and avoid pressure has been pivotal in this sessons success.

this will be our easiest game this post season. I'm more worried about getting out of this game healthy.

I am guessing we will contain Hutch a bit better than TB did lol..I hope so anyway. Let him just fly through, totally uncovered at least twice. I think we can rattle Goff..this ain't no Tampa Bay..this is the fking Niners. Defense better step up hard though.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sacks are great for the stat sheet sure and it can get the crowd into it. However they have nowhere near as much of an impact as an INT has on the crowd or in the game. Lets be real. Also, some context needs to be taken into consideration here. GB max protected, chipped, double teamed a lot in that game. I mean a lot a lot. The pressure forced Love to make a few errant throws with 2 of them being INT'd. I will take 2 of those in the 4th quarter over 2 sacks every single game.

Agree, turnovers are a much more impact full stat than sacks. Both (turnovers and sacks) are great indicator of a defense playing well though. Sacks eliminate a down, and usually creates long yardage situations. Sacks can stop a drive. Turnovers can change a game.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
Jonah Jackson missed 5 games during the regular season. The Lions gave up 3, 2, 1, 5, and 3 sacks for an average of 2.8 sacks per game against without Jackson. In the 12 games with Jackson they averaged 1.42 sacks against.

The backup LG is truly terrible. That's who they need to go after with stunts and blitzes.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Christian McCaffrey said the speed of Detroit's stunts and blitzes will present a pivotal challenge to 49ers. Trent Williams emphasized that staying ahead of the sticks will be key in staving that off.

Also a big SF advantage: Game is at home, so they won't need silent count

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 25, 2024

hopefully banks doesn't false start again

Brock was transparent in critiquing his GB performance by saying he should have taken the checkdowns when they were there. When the 49ers decide to throw on 1st/2nd down, him taking those checkdowns when the deeper route isn't there will be important in staying ahead of the sticks.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Laporta is only averaging like 10.3 yards per reception which is good for 46th in the league amongst TE's. He is 27th in passer rating when targeted and is tied for 4th most INT's when targeted. I think where Laporta is most dangerous is in the redzone. He leads the league with 10 TD catches among TE's. So I imagine we'll be giving him extra attention in that area.

St. Brown is only averaging 12.7 yards per reception which is 51st lowest among WR's in the league. He is 88th in the league in ADoT. He is 17th in the league in YAC per reception, is tied for 9th in missed tackles forced and he is also a big redzone threat with 10 TD catches.

Jared Goff is dead last in the league in deep ball attempts amongst QB's with atleast 18 attempts. Has 5 TD's to 4 INT's on the deep ball. So I don't imagine him testing the deep ball much if at all in this game. Especially against a secondary that leads the league in INT's. He is ranked ranked 32nd in BTT% at 3.1% on all dropbacks. He is 38th in the league in ADoT.

DET is 12th in the league in YAC per completion and 8th in the league in 1stD%. If we slow down their rushing attack and we tackle well, we should win easily.

Cool man, thanks for that..but maybe he will go full Jordan Love and shoot for that deep ball anyway under pressure and Big Play Dre gets another inty:)

I'm shocked Goff's deep throws numbers are that low. I thought they were a good playaction, hit the intermediate, type of passing attack. What is a deep ball attempt classified as? Maybe Goff's numbers in the intermediate range is good?

Deep balls are a product of arm strength and accuracy. In other words, Purdy has *both* otherwise his stats would be similar to Goff's. Goff may have the arm strength but maybe not the accuracy. You need both to have a good deep ball game.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Goff is a solid QB but he really only plays well when things are going well for him. Give him some adversity and he struggles really bad.

for him to have the year he's had, it's taken an elite o line and bevy of weapons.

he would struggle here because the o line protection isn't very good. Brocks ability to play under pressure and avoid pressure has been pivotal in this sessons success.

this will be our easiest game this post season. I'm more worried about getting out of this game healthy.

I am guessing we will contain Hutch a bit better than TB did lol..I hope so anyway. Let him just fly through, totally uncovered at least twice. I think we can rattle Goff..this ain't no Tampa Bay..this is the fking Niners. Defense better step up hard though.

Tampa was just letting guys fly off the edges unguarded. Lol baker didn't even see them a few times. We can't let that happen.

we have to watch out for that CB blitz.

Originally posted by thl408:
Brock was transparent in critiquing his GB performance by saying he should have taken the checkdowns when they were there. When the 49ers decide to throw on 1st/2nd down, him taking those checkdowns when the deeper route isn't there will be important in staying ahead of the sticks.

Agree and I have a feeling he was a bit too overconfident in the Ravens game. He's learned from that game. I'm glad it happened in the regular season and not in the post-season.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You don't think pressure created INT's last year as well?

I agree that pressures can create INTs. I agree that INTs are usually better than sacks. What I am surprised at actually looking at the numbers is that, statistically, the number of sacks is pretty comparable in 2019, 2022, and 2023. Picks are pretty comparable in 2022 and 2023, though very low in 2019, which I attribute to Jimmy Ward at FS, who was useless for picks at that stage of his career. This defense doesn't feel dominant, particularly lately, but in those stat categories they are actually better than last year. Bosa is unable to dominate as he has in the past, but the production has been picked up by others from the extra attention Bosa is getting. So why do I feel like this defense is going soft at the exact wrong time? I don't know, but it's a nagging feeling.