🏆 SUPER BOWL LVIII PREGAME THREAD - SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS 🏆

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Super Bowl LVIII WR vs. CB Matchups

I suspect we'll see a lot of L'Jarius Sneed on Brandon Aiyuk pic.twitter.com/Z0JmiJf2p5

— Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) February 1, 2024

that will be a good matchup snead is a top 3 CB this year easily if not the top CB

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think playing the Ravens in the regular season is going to help Purdy and the 49ers. I think the Ravens and the Chiefs defense do similar things in the zone blitz area. Similar weaknesses too against the run game.

Our defense has to hold KC to field goals instead of touchdowns in the red zone. Slow them down and if we can get two or more scores ahead, then we just run on them at that point - and ball hog the game to the end. We can't let KC have the ball at the end of the game, we all know what Patrick can do.

That really will be the key - holding the chiefs to field goals and not touchdowns. Need to bracket Kelce.

hard part of covering Kelce is he abandons his play route often if he sees open space. Lol him and pat are great about that. It's a major reason why he always seems open.

he's talked multiple times about how before the play him and Pat will say "hey if they show this and leave this spot open, I'm gonna take it." And then they'll run with it.

i think we should run a lot of man coverage, press him and double him. Make him work for it. Everytime he gets it - have Dre light his ass up.

Those are the option/choice routes that is built in every WCO system. At least I think so. Once Brock gets to that level as a QB, with his recievers (looks like he already has it with Aiyuk), he'll be an even more explosive quarterback.

I think you do your best with Kelce on third downs, but you won't stop Patrick. Slowing him down is the best anybody can do, and you just have to outscore them. Its going to be a track meet kind of game unless our defense can get a turnover or two.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by tankle104:
DEmo has made HUGE strides, it's awesome. Ward was always a good CB but he's even had material improvment in his game.

now if we can figure out how to fix our run game - we might be dangerous.

putting AA on the edge helped a lot in the 2nd half which makes me think its we have trouble setting the EDGE. Chase Young seems capable but he goes inside a lot trying to get to the QB a lot. Its like he tries to make the big plays. Gregory is just flat out awful at setting the edge and is a liability against the run

Also we are missing a DT like DJ jones who eats space.Hargrave has always been bad against the run but is one of the best interior DL when it comes to getting pressure (both Hargrave and AA are top 10 in pass rush win rate)

edit: i think we are missing a 3rd LB like Azeez last year he was really good against the run

I think Armstead should put out on the edge on early downs, inside only on obvious passing downs.

I'm guessing Kinlaw would be inside a lot if so?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think playing the Ravens in the regular season is going to help Purdy and the 49ers. I think the Ravens and the Chiefs defense do similar things in the zone blitz area. Similar weaknesses too against the run game.

Our defense has to hold KC to field goals instead of touchdowns in the red zone. Slow them down and if we can get two or more scores ahead, then we just run on them at that point - and ball hog the game to the end. We can't let KC have the ball at the end of the game, we all know what Patrick can do.

That really will be the key - holding the chiefs to field goals and not touchdowns. Need to bracket Kelce.

hard part of covering Kelce is he abandons his play route often if he sees open space. Lol him and pat are great about that. It's a major reason why he always seems open.

he's talked multiple times about how before the play him and Pat will say "hey if they show this and leave this spot open, I'm gonna take it." And then they'll run with it.

i think we should run a lot of man coverage, press him and double him. Make him work for it. Everytime he gets it - have Dre light his ass up.

Those are the option/choice routes that is built in every WCO system. At least I think so. Once Brock gets to that level as a QB, with his recievers (looks like he already has it with Aiyuk), he'll be an even more explosive quarterback.

I think you do your best with Kelce on third downs, but you won't stop Patrick. Slowing him down is the best anybody can do, and you just have to outscore them. Its going to be a track meet kind of game unless our defense can get a turnover or two.

Kelce is far and away the biggest threat. He's the number one target most of the time. The Chiefs don't have a lot of receiving options so they need to try and keep Kelce from running around and finding open space because if he does Mahomes will find him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Clay has SF winning based on his projections

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Early Super Bowl LVIII Boxscore Projection - Chiefs vs. 49ers pic.twitter.com/6pZXVubD1A

— Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) February 1, 2024

Who is this guy? Has been right a lot?

seems like a lot of big time gamblers, pros, are putting their money on us.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by tankle104:
DEmo has made HUGE strides, it's awesome. Ward was always a good CB but he's even had material improvment in his game.

now if we can figure out how to fix our run game - we might be dangerous.

putting AA on the edge helped a lot in the 2nd half which makes me think its we have trouble setting the EDGE. Chase Young seems capable but he goes inside a lot trying to get to the QB a lot. Its like he tries to make the big plays. Gregory is just flat out awful at setting the edge and is a liability against the run

Also we are missing a DT like DJ jones who eats space.Hargrave has always been bad against the run but is one of the best interior DL when it comes to getting pressure (both Hargrave and AA are top 10 in pass rush win rate)

edit: i think we are missing a 3rd LB like Azeez last year he was really good against the run

I think Armstead should put out on the edge on early downs, inside only on obvious passing downs.

I'm guessing Kinlaw would be inside a lot if so?

I wonder if a d-line run package with AA - SJD - JK - Bosa would reduce the opposing team's run success rate.

SF: 49ers are 6-0 straight-up as favorites in the postseason under head coach Kyle Shanahan

The only thing that will matter in the game.

49ers 25th worst pass blocking VS Kansas City Dline and Chris Jones.

If the 49ers can't or choose not to run the ball it's going to be ugly.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think playing the Ravens in the regular season is going to help Purdy and the 49ers. I think the Ravens and the Chiefs defense do similar things in the zone blitz area. Similar weaknesses too against the run game.

Our defense has to hold KC to field goals instead of touchdowns in the red zone. Slow them down and if we can get two or more scores ahead, then we just run on them at that point - and ball hog the game to the end. We can't let KC have the ball at the end of the game, we all know what Patrick can do.

That really will be the key - holding the chiefs to field goals and not touchdowns. Need to bracket Kelce.

hard part of covering Kelce is he abandons his play route often if he sees open space. Lol him and pat are great about that. It's a major reason why he always seems open.

he's talked multiple times about how before the play him and Pat will say "hey if they show this and leave this spot open, I'm gonna take it." And then they'll run with it.

i think we should run a lot of man coverage, press him and double him. Make him work for it. Everytime he gets it - have Dre light his ass up.

Those are the option/choice routes that is built in every WCO system. At least I think so. Once Brock gets to that level as a QB, with his recievers (looks like he already has it with Aiyuk), he'll be an even more explosive quarterback.

I think you do your best with Kelce on third downs, but you won't stop Patrick. Slowing him down is the best anybody can do, and you just have to outscore them. Its going to be a track meet kind of game unless our defense can get a turnover or two.

Kelce is far and away the biggest threat. He's the number one target most of the time. The Chiefs don't have a lot of receiving options so they need to try and keep Kelce from running around and finding open space because if he does Mahomes will find him.

They have other good targets, Rice and Grey, etc... andy will spot any doubt teams on Kelce and make a defense pay.

Personally, I'd go nickel/dime defense and run blitz if I have a run down. I'd rather have Pacheco beat my defense than Patrick. But thats just me.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Most games allowing < 28 points in NFL history (playoffs included)

1. 2023 Chiefs - 20
2. 2000 Ravens - 19 🏆
2. 2002 Buccaneers - 19 🏆
2. 2005 Steelers - 19 🏆
2. 2010 Packers - 19 🏆

The 17-game season helps KC here but...

— Scott Kacsmar (@ScottKacsmar) January 31, 2024

Such a random f'ing stat. 28 points isn't some epic predictive threshold. Throw this in the trash!

It looks pretty predictive to me.

I'd need to see the full list thru 18, though.

Bro, picking a number out of thin air, in this case 28, totally arbitrarily, is basically step one in analysis that is NOT predictive. That post is stupid as f**k!

Originally posted by tankle104:

This British man watched AFC and NFC championship games and here were his observations. He nailed it in my opinion. pic.twitter.com/XqJVnxLyQC

— Geoff Abbott (@VisionaryDigMar) January 31, 2024

Point #4: dude watched Tony Romo for the first time, legit worst color guy everrrrr

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Super Bowl LVIII WR vs. CB Matchups

I suspect we'll see a lot of L'Jarius Sneed on Brandon Aiyuk pic.twitter.com/Z0JmiJf2p5

— Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) February 1, 2024

that will be a good matchup snead is a top 3 CB this year easily if not the top CB

My guess is KC is hoping to stack the box and generate win the trenches. After that I agree they will try to cancel out Aiyuk with Sneed which will work to a good degree imo. Its happened in other games this season. That still leaves Deebo, Kittle and Juice/CMC for wreaking havoc.

The key is the trenches as always. I dont care if we dink and dunk them to death. If that's what is there we take it, but we should be running the ball.

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
The only thing that will matter in the game.

49ers 25th worst pass blocking VS Kansas City Dline and Chris Jones.

If the 49ers can't or choose not to run the ball it's going to be ugly.

100% and the short passing game as I said up top. If they are selling out to stop the run, you know he will disguise and drop guys to try and trick Purdy. If my dumbass can imagine this you know Kyle and Purdy expect it.

Originally posted by tankle104:

This British man watched AFC and NFC championship games and here were his observations. He nailed it in my opinion. pic.twitter.com/XqJVnxLyQC

— Geoff Abbott (@VisionaryDigMar) January 31, 2024

Agree on the kickoff

The penalties costing the offense a down would kill scoring, which the NFL would NEVER do.

They can chip the balls and track them, but unless they're chipping body parts, there will still be the element of the human eye to determine when the player was down.

Some announcers actually provide good info, like Romo, but unfortunately he us also annoying at the same time. For the most part hes right, the announcers are lame. Id MUCH prefer to hear Papa and Tim Ryan's radio broadcast synced with the TV.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think playing the Ravens in the regular season is going to help Purdy and the 49ers. I think the Ravens and the Chiefs defense do similar things in the zone blitz area. Similar weaknesses too against the run game.

Our defense has to hold KC to field goals instead of touchdowns in the red zone. Slow them down and if we can get two or more scores ahead, then we just run on them at that point - and ball hog the game to the end. We can't let KC have the ball at the end of the game, we all know what Patrick can do.

That really will be the key - holding the chiefs to field goals and not touchdowns. Need to bracket Kelce.

hard part of covering Kelce is he abandons his play route often if he sees open space. Lol him and pat are great about that. It's a major reason why he always seems open.

he's talked multiple times about how before the play him and Pat will say "hey if they show this and leave this spot open, I'm gonna take it." And then they'll run with it.

i think we should run a lot of man coverage, press him and double him. Make him work for it. Everytime he gets it - have Dre light his ass up.

Those are the option/choice routes that is built in every WCO system. At least I think so. Once Brock gets to that level as a QB, with his recievers (looks like he already has it with Aiyuk), he'll be an even more explosive quarterback.

I think you do your best with Kelce on third downs, but you won't stop Patrick. Slowing him down is the best anybody can do, and you just have to outscore them. Its going to be a track meet kind of game unless our defense can get a turnover or two.

Kelce is far and away the biggest threat. He's the number one target most of the time. The Chiefs don't have a lot of receiving options so they need to try and keep Kelce from running around and finding open space because if he does Mahomes will find him.

They have other good targets, Rice and Grey, etc... andy will spot any doubt teams on Kelce and make a defense pay.

Personally, I'd go nickel/dime defense and run blitz if I have a run down. I'd rather have Pacheco beat my defense than Patrick. But thats just me.

You should have stopped at Rice.
Seriously the only receiving threats they have are Kelce and Rice. End of list.

Bro they had f'ing Kadarious Toney out there for most of the season, that's how pathetic their skill position group is.

IMO Warner can and should man up Kelce - just shut his ass down.

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
The only thing that will matter in the game.

49ers 25th worst pass blocking VS Kansas City Dline and Chris Jones.

If the 49ers can't or choose not to run the ball it's going to be ugly.

Omenihu is out though. He had 7 or 8 sacks as their edge, so that's a pretty significant loss for them.