🏆 SUPER BOWL LVIII PREGAME THREAD - SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS 🏆

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Yea, but then why bring Jimmy back at all? Presumably at the time he made these comments to Jed our QB room was Trey, Sudfeld, and Brock.

Probably because he had low confidence in the starter and it's probably not a great idea to rely on a TC evaluation of a rookie 7th rounder and not have insurance when the team is ready to compete.

That said, it's not exactly a good thing that we were just going to force the starter in with that team that was ready to compete.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
He's not that much of a genius. He abandons the run way too soon lately and let's not forget the last SB against KC where he blew a huge lead by abandoning the run and trying to win with the worst QB to ever play in a SB.

Can you name any other coaches who have taken their team to 4 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls in the last 5 years?

Andy Reid took Philly to 5 straight NFCC and 1 superboel consecutively. Now he's taken the chiefs to 6 straight AFCC and 4 Super Bowls in a stretch.

belichick went to 8 straight AFCC with 4 super bowl appearances in one stretch.

Marv levy took the bills to 5 AFCC games In 6 years with four super bowl appearances.

it's happened quite a bit in history, but the good news is that they were all great coaches. I love Kyle.

And Knoll took the Steelers to 4 SB's in 6 years!

Originally posted by tankle104:
It probably has to do with the fact that Brock was a 7th round rookie and even if he looked good in camp, it doesn't mean it'll translate. He was trying to figure out what Trey was and he knew what Jimmy was - the goal was to win a chip.

these comments make me wonder how short of a leash Trey was on. It's all hypothetical at this point but it's interesting to get some insight into kyle's thoughts at the time.

Makes me wonder just how bad Lance looked in practice for Shanahan to already be putting the guy they used three first round picks on behind the guy they took with the last pick in the draft.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Yea, but then why bring Jimmy back at all? Presumably at the time he made these comments to Jed our QB room was Trey, Sudfeld, and Brock.

Probably because he had low confidence in the starter and it's probably not a great idea to rely on a TC evaluation of a rookie 7th rounder and not have insurance when the team is ready to compete.

That said, it's not exactly a good thing that we were just going to force the starter in with that team that was ready to compete.

Sink or swim with Trey. I'm sure Jimmy was kept around so that if Trey struggled they could still compete. But, at the end of the day, Kyle knew that winning it all with Jimmy would mean that the rest of the team would have to carry the load, and finding that great QB was worth the risk with Trey. Obviously we were fortunate to find that in Purdy, but the thinking was not off with trying to score big on a rookie QB, since Jimmy was clearly going to be difficult to win it all with (not necessarily impossible).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Yea, but then why bring Jimmy back at all? Presumably at the time he made these comments to Jed our QB room was Trey, Sudfeld, and Brock.

Probably because he had low confidence in the starter and it's probably not a great idea to rely on a TC evaluation of a rookie 7th rounder and not have insurance when the team is ready to compete.

That said, it's not exactly a good thing that we were just going to force the starter in with that team that was ready to compete.

It's a hell of a situation to be in. Have a high round pick you invested a lot in, that you weren't feeling good about. A qb you know you can win with, but know he's limited. And a third string rookie who looks better than them all in training camp. Lol

do you abandon Trey before him really playing? Do you assume Brock's success in camp will translate with no nfl experience? Do you take the safe option, Jimmy, and try to run it back? If so, Who do you go with when Jimmy gets hurt? Lol

the football gods made the choice for him.

Originally posted by BigT:
So because I am just one of those guys I will tell you upfront I am a football fan first and a Chiefs fan second. I came here before the last SB in 19 and have been involved in forums of the Eagles ( never again) the Ravens ( probably not going back) and the Bills ( been there 3-4 years and love their fans). Don't judge me by Chiefsplanet as it's hard to weed through the idiots over there.

first off I have read through most of this thread and wow what a difference from 19. Some chest beating mixed with a lot of angst. Your offense is light years ahead of where they were in 19 and pose a substantial challenge to any DC. I do have concerns for how we will cover everyone while holding that unicorn CMC somewhat in check. I have heard some talking about a blowout. I seriously doubt that as Spags is a defensive genius and has the guys to pull it off. Unfortunately I see it as a nail biter 28-24 pick 'em we may hold you to 28 but I have no confidence we can score more than that. We have had multiple issues. One is McKinnon who is a TD machine and our best blocking back. Hardman is back but after the fumble in Buffalo who knows.

This team is nothing like the team that played Tampa. Mahomes is a QB now, he was just a guy that ran around and waited for Hill to get open then. He is fully satisfied now to take check downs and throw for 250. Back then it was holding the ball and throwing deep.

the only way to stop Kelce is hit him off the line. If you do that he will get frustrated and disengage a bit. I have seen it happen when teams have done it.

You guys should be amazed by Purdy. I have pulled for him since he started playing for you. I watched him play for Iowa State and put up almost 400 on my Jayhawks. The fact he has achieved what he has so far is amazing. This is a legacy game for him. I doubt that the moment will be too big for him, but our defense will be the best he has seen. Sneed has shut down everyone from Hill to Jefferson and allowed his first TD against Buffalo two weeks ago. It was a perfect throw and an even better catch. McDuffie is nearly as good. It should be a hell of a game.

Yea man every time I get a little excited, I have to give myself 12 lashes and calm down. I'm in wait and see mode. You guys crushed our hearts and spirits in 2019. No matter how many more playmakers we have on offense and defense than you guys, you own the mental aspect of this game. You've beaten us twice and lived rent free in our heads the past 5 years. That goes a long way towards determining the outcome of this game.

For us, Kyle and Co. need to get over this hurdle. You guys are the final boss. If we win, this team will live on forever and Purdys story will be one of the greatest in NFL history. If we lose, we're just another SB losing team.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It probably has to do with the fact that Brock was a 7th round rookie and even if he looked good in camp, it doesn't mean it'll translate. He was trying to figure out what Trey was and he knew what Jimmy was - the goal was to win a chip.

these comments make me wonder how short of a leash Trey was on. It's all hypothetical at this point but it's interesting to get some insight into kyle's thoughts at the time.

Makes me wonder just how bad Lance looked in practice for Shanahan to already be putting the guy they used three first round picks on behind the guy they took with the last pick in the draft.

From any respectable reporter/journalist - he was pretty bad. Middlekauf said he was awful. I'm not trying to kick him when he's down, but that's what I heard over and over again from people who were there.

it's as simple as this, he didn't look good enough to where the coach, or team, seemed excited about him starting.

go back and listen to what the players were saying "he just had to not throw interceptions and we can do the rest" - kittle (not verbatim but close).

listen to what they say about Brock "we are here because of him", "we have a qb - bosa after tampa game last year". Etc.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Makes me wonder just how bad Lance looked in practice for Shanahan to already be putting the guy they used three first round picks on behind the guy they took with the last pick in the draft.

They needed to try and develop Trey quickly, so I don't fault them for throwing him out there. I'm sure Kyle felt conflicted. On one hand the guy they had hoped would be a young sensation wasn't developing how they had hoped, but on the other there was a rookie doing things better than Jimmy who, despite his faults, was a capable QB in this offense. I'm glad it worked out the way it did, but man we could be wallowing in QB purgatory right now.

DROP IT LIKE ITS HOT TK!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers DE Nick Bosa on Chiefs LT Donovan Smith and RT Jawaan Taylor:

"They hold a lot."pic.twitter.com/S05D0hLuMk

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) February 1, 2024

I sure hope Nick draws some flags this time around, especially early. If they are getting away with it, they'll just keep doing it until they are flagged.

THERES THE BALD SPOT!

teams also making sure the holding is known to the refs. Lol

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by tankle104:

"I don't see how the 49ers can lose. I swear to you, there's something's hanging onto their shoulders... I think we're going all the way."

Carmen Policy has a special feeling about this #49ers team (@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) February 1, 2024

something hanging onto their shoulders?

God to wrs when purdy throws the ball pic.twitter.com/sOSOPDSfbU

— Annie Agar (@AnnieAgar) January 29, 2024

It's our year!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by tankle104:

"I don't see how the 49ers can lose. I swear to you, there's something's hanging onto their shoulders... I think we're going all the way."

Carmen Policy has a special feeling about this #49ers team (@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) February 1, 2024

something hanging onto their shoulders?

God to wrs when purdy throws the ball pic.twitter.com/sOSOPDSfbU

— Annie Agar (@AnnieAgar) January 29, 2024

It's our year!

I can't wait 😭😭😭

Originally posted by BigT:
So because I am just one of those guys I will tell you upfront I am a football fan first and a Chiefs fan second. I came here before the last SB in 19 and have been involved in forums of the Eagles ( never again) the Ravens ( probably not going back) and the Bills ( been there 3-4 years and love their fans). Don't judge me by Chiefsplanet as it's hard to weed through the idiots over there.

first off I have read through most of this thread and wow what a difference from 19. Some chest beating mixed with a lot of angst. Your offense is light years ahead of where they were in 19 and pose a substantial challenge to any DC. I do have concerns for how we will cover everyone while holding that unicorn CMC somewhat in check. I have heard some talking about a blowout. I seriously doubt that as Spags is a defensive genius and has the guys to pull it off. Unfortunately I see it as a nail biter 28-24 pick 'em we may hold you to 28 but I have no confidence we can score more than that. We have had multiple issues. One is McKinnon who is a TD machine and our best blocking back. Hardman is back but after the fumble in Buffalo who knows.

This team is nothing like the team that played Tampa. Mahomes is a QB now, he was just a guy that ran around and waited for Hill to get open then. He is fully satisfied now to take check downs and throw for 250. Back then it was holding the ball and throwing deep.

the only way to stop Kelce is hit him off the line. If you do that he will get frustrated and disengage a bit. I have seen it happen when teams have done it.

You guys should be amazed by Purdy. I have pulled for him since he started playing for you. I watched him play for Iowa State and put up almost 400 on my Jayhawks. The fact he has achieved what he has so far is amazing. This is a legacy game for him. I doubt that the moment will be too big for him, but our defense will be the best he has seen. Sneed has shut down everyone from Hill to Jefferson and allowed his first TD against Buffalo two weeks ago. It was a perfect throw and an even better catch. McDuffie is nearly as good. It should be a hell of a game.

What's up BigT, we like it when opposing fans come here and chat it up. At first I was one of the chest beaters, thinking that the Ravens choked, that the Bills were injured and choked, but digging into what the Chiefs are doing on defense has changed my tune quite a bit. What they've been doing to teams in the 2nd half of games is crazy. The niners are going to need to start hot in this game and keep that intensity throughout, if they stutter out the gate like they have the past two games they're going to have a bad time. On paper our outside zone runs with CMC is a massive advantage against the Chiefs D who struggle with those, but Miami couldn't pull it off with Mostert and the Ravens didn't stick with the run game at all when it wasn't working early. That's the matchup I'm looking forward to the most. Purdy and this passing O has the highest efficiency in the league and one of the best ever, but that's a strength on strength matchup and we will need to pound it early and often to have success with that. Shanahan likes to get cute sometimes though, thinking he's outsmarting the other coach by doing what they won't expect and it backfires when he starts throwing all the time when he should be running it. I hope he knows this is not the game to try that.

We're also praying that Steve Wilks doesn't just run a bunch of vanilla shell zones to give Mahomes all the time he needs to find Kelce or Rice while Bosa is being basically tackled to the ground all game. We don't run a lot of man defense but we did last week in the 2nd half comeback and will have to against Mahomes. After losing our all pro safety Hufanga and DE Ferrell our run defense has been pretty bad, Chase Young has been getting a lot of heat due to an inability to set the edge so you'll be seeing a lot of runs in his direction. However they do tighten up in the 2nd half and in the red zone (usually). I'm really worried about the Chiefs running screen after screen because that is something this defense has trouble with sometimes.

If the Chiefs win this game it will have been the most difficult playoff run ever per DVOA. What are your thoughts on why the Chiefs are playing at such a high level after the somewhat down season they had?