🏆 SUPER BOWL LVIII PREGAME THREAD - SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS 🏆

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Crown:
I totally get it.

Problem is Mahomes goes into god mode in the playoffs.

Niners need to find their own god mode for this game.

Not usually in the Superbowl.

He literally did against us. Down 10. Win by 11. 21 unanswered. In 6 minutes. That's unbelievable.

We had him completely under control until that 44 yard hail mary to Tyreek Hill on a 3rd and 15. Luckily for the 49ers Hill now plays in Miami.

We had him completely under control until he scored 21 unanswered points lol

Yes that is what happened. Did you forget?

So your original point was that Mahomes does not perform well in the Super Bowl. Someone pointed out that he scored 21 unanswered on us in the final 6 minutes of the last SB we played in. And your point is that he scored 21 unanswered points in the final 6 minutes of the Super Bowl? What's your point exactly? I'm not following here.

Originally posted by Koldo:
I expect us to win and I think it's not going to be even close.

Come with me if you want to win.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

👀The Chiefs' defense has struggled against 21 and other personnel packages this season, giving the 49ers a chance to capitalize

On offense, the Chiefs have thrived with at least two tight ends on the field. The 49ers with Fred Warner at the helm are well-prepared to counter… pic.twitter.com/GhQclZ1kML

— FTN Fantasy (@FTNFantasy) February 6, 2024

The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Should we get Kyle, Sr. Mahomes and Lil Wayne in a room together for 24 hours with unlimited liquor?

Lmao 🤣

Now this is something I can support

+ Reuben Foster as bartender…

I'd prefer Aldon Smith as the bartender

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:
So your original point was that Mahomes does not perform well in the Super Bowl. Someone pointed out that he scored 21 unanswered on us in the final 6 minutes of the last SB we played in. And your point is that he scored 21 unanswered points in the final 6 minutes of the Super Bowl? What's your point exactly? I'm not following here.

Mahommes has had come back wins in all this games that he's won in the super bowl.

Originally posted by DrEll:
The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Picture Kyle with the playsheet in one hand, and the 49ers Gold Bar Joe Montana Whiskey in the other. I think that Kyle goes for it.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

👀The Chiefs' defense has struggled against 21 and other personnel packages this season, giving the 49ers a chance to capitalize

On offense, the Chiefs have thrived with at least two tight ends on the field. The 49ers with Fred Warner at the helm are well-prepared to counter… pic.twitter.com/GhQclZ1kML

— FTN Fantasy (@FTNFantasy) February 6, 2024

The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Kyle attacks matchups and rules of defenses with his play calls not analytics. If a defense stacks 9 in the box Kyle's not going to stubbornly tell Brock to stick with the run. He gives his QB full freedom to check into the better play call. It's worked this far he should stick to it.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

👀The Chiefs' defense has struggled against 21 and other personnel packages this season, giving the 49ers a chance to capitalize

On offense, the Chiefs have thrived with at least two tight ends on the field. The 49ers with Fred Warner at the helm are well-prepared to counter… pic.twitter.com/GhQclZ1kML

— FTN Fantasy (@FTNFantasy) February 6, 2024

The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Kyle attacks matchups and rules of defenses with his play calls not analytics. If a defense stacks 9 in the box Kyle's not going to stubbornly tell Brock to stick with the run. He gives his QB full freedom to check into the better play call. It's worked this far he should stick to it.

If the Chiefs sell out to stop the run, should we run it anyways since the numbers say they're bad at stopping the run? If we pass instead and end up not running the ball that often due to the looks the defense was giving, Kyle will get heavily criticized for not stubbornly running the ball more.

Everyone is picking the Chiefs to win.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

👀The Chiefs' defense has struggled against 21 and other personnel packages this season, giving the 49ers a chance to capitalize

On offense, the Chiefs have thrived with at least two tight ends on the field. The 49ers with Fred Warner at the helm are well-prepared to counter… pic.twitter.com/GhQclZ1kML

— FTN Fantasy (@FTNFantasy) February 6, 2024

The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Come on man.

Whole lot of guessing and I "suspect" with no evidence.

why even think about things that you cant possibly know?

An amazing twist. If the Niners can pull off winning this game, the entire season opening roster would get rings right?

Imagine Jed sending a ring to Trey Lance addressed to Jerry's office 🤣🤣

That would be absolutely epic.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

👀The Chiefs' defense has struggled against 21 and other personnel packages this season, giving the 49ers a chance to capitalize

On offense, the Chiefs have thrived with at least two tight ends on the field. The 49ers with Fred Warner at the helm are well-prepared to counter… pic.twitter.com/GhQclZ1kML

— FTN Fantasy (@FTNFantasy) February 6, 2024

The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Stubbornly following analytics isn't smart. That gets you Dan Campbell.

I think Kyle has gotten a lot more aggressive now that he has a QB he trusts but a lot should go into the thought process of a HC and things analytics don't capture.

I heard Pat Kirwan have a good discussion about it on NFL Radio few weeks ago. He talked about how analytics don't account for things like momentum, injuries/personnel each team is playing with and things like that.

For instance in GB we lost Deebo. A vital part of your offense is out of the game - do you disregard that and go for it on a 4th and GO situation which has no way of accounting for Deebo's absence in the game?

Things like that play a role. You have to account for how the game has gone so far, how you see it goes and how you feel about your roster or the opposing teams roster. Say Chris Jones is out of the game - surely that makes things easier for us vs having him out there.

I think the biggest thing is Kyle trusts Brock. In the 2019 SB the plays were there to be made, Jimmy didn't make them. In some cases it was due to Chris Jones making a play but in other cases Jimmy audibled out of run plays and missed throws that would've helped put the game away.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

👀The Chiefs' defense has struggled against 21 and other personnel packages this season, giving the 49ers a chance to capitalize

On offense, the Chiefs have thrived with at least two tight ends on the field. The 49ers with Fred Warner at the helm are well-prepared to counter… pic.twitter.com/GhQclZ1kML

— FTN Fantasy (@FTNFantasy) February 6, 2024

The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Kyle attacks matchups and rules of defenses with his play calls not analytics. If a defense stacks 9 in the box Kyle's not going to stubbornly tell Brock to stick with the run. He gives his QB full freedom to check into the better play call. It's worked this far he should stick to it.

If the Chiefs sell out to stop the run, should we run it anyways since the numbers say they're bad at stopping the run? If we pass instead and end up not running the ball that often due to the looks the defense was giving, Kyle will get heavily criticized for not stubbornly running the ball more.

If the Chiefs stack to stop the run and we can't be successful passing the ball then Brock needs to be heavily criticized as well. People wanting to run, run and have a 3rd and long isn't a great situation to play in. But to each their own. I say if the defense is giving you the pass you take the pass if they are giving the run you take the run.

Originally posted by Patton:
An amazing twist. If the Niners can pull off winning this game, the entire season opening roster would get rings right?

Imagine Jed sending a ring to Trey Lance addressed to Jerry's office 🤣🤣

That would be absolutely epic.

It's up to the team who gets a ring. Maximum of 150 rings are made. Some give cheerleaders rings after the 53 practice squad and coaches get em. Some give it to traded players. All I care about is Jason Verrett getting a ring

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

👀The Chiefs' defense has struggled against 21 and other personnel packages this season, giving the 49ers a chance to capitalize

On offense, the Chiefs have thrived with at least two tight ends on the field. The 49ers with Fred Warner at the helm are well-prepared to counter… pic.twitter.com/GhQclZ1kML

— FTN Fantasy (@FTNFantasy) February 6, 2024

The problem with all these stats is that Kyle stubbornly doesn't follow the analytics. Simple things like not going for it on 4th when you should is obvious, but even when game planning it seems like he forms his script without taking into account all the elements at play. Throwing the ball in the rain vs GB. Trying to carve up the Ravens D even after Brock threw several picks, etc etc.

Im hoping that he looks into the tape and schemes off of KC's weaknesses, but I have a feeling his offensive game plan is already set and he's going to spend this week just going through the motions and hope the scheme flies during the Super Bowl.

When it works, it looks brilliant. But when it doesn't, it appears like an EPIC FAIL.

Stubbornly following analytics isn't smart. That gets you Dan Campbell.

I think Kyle has gotten a lot more aggressive now that he has a QB he trusts but a lot should go into the thought process of a HC and things analytics don't capture.

I heard Pat Kirwan have a good discussion about it on NFL Radio few weeks ago. He talked about how analytics don't account for things like momentum, injuries/personnel each team is playing with and things like that.

For instance in GB we lost Deebo. A vital part of your offense is out of the game - do you disregard that and go for it on a 4th and GO situation which has no way of accounting for Deebo's absence in the game?

Things like that play a role. You have to account for how the game has gone so far, how you see it goes and how you feel about your roster or the opposing teams roster. Say Chris Jones is out of the game - surely that makes things easier for us vs having him out there.

I think the biggest thing is Kyle trusts Brock. In the 2019 SB the plays were there to be made, Jimmy didn't make them. In some cases it was due to Chris Jones making a play but in other cases Jimmy audibled out of run plays and missed throws that would've helped put the game away.

(bolded) Exactly. It's 4th & 3 near midfield and the analytics say 'go for it'. Is your QB Josh Allen, or is it Zach Wilson? I'd say that matters.