🏆 SUPER BOWL LVIII PREGAME THREAD - SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS 🏆

Trying to wrestle with the fact that this year the Chiefs rarely give up 21+ points this season.

Our wins usually start with "Brock 30".

This means our D needs to be solid from the get go and an ugly win is the solution, or we need to expose something with the Chiefs and find a way to score that other teams haven't.

Ball control and being patient with the run may be the best path.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I was around for all of Reid, and he wasn't ever regarded as a choker from my view. Maybe getting clock mgmt wrong, and run pass splits wrong. I think choker fair or not more follows Kyle from the SB51 and 54 outcomes, and the NFCCG outcome up 10. The QB McNabb got some blame for choking, due to his rumored throwing up in the huddle.

So the clock management was an issue for the first few years in KC too, and at times it was incredibly frustrating. I would have never considered him a choker because of that, he just wasn't good at it whether the first game or the last. What lost him critical games was his stubbornness. Refusing to be committed to running the ball even when it was working, having a particular style and/ or plays and not getting away from them. All of that seemed to have cleared up for the most part. I don't know if it was Mahomes or finally getting a SB or both.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Trying to wrestle with the fact that this year the Chiefs rarely give up 21+ points this season.

Our wins usually start with "Brock 30".

This means our D needs to be solid from the get go and an ugly win is the solution, or we need to expose something with the Chiefs and find a way to score that other teams haven't.

Ball control and being patient with the run may be the best path.

Chiefs gave up 27 to GB in week 13. GB had a lot of success against the KS D. Brock 30 is in sight.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Trying to wrestle with the fact that this year the Chiefs rarely give up 21+ points this season.

Our wins usually start with "Brock 30".

This means our D needs to be solid from the get go and an ugly win is the solution, or we need to expose something with the Chiefs and find a way to score that other teams haven't.

Ball control and being patient with the run may be the best path.

SEE: Raiders vs. Chiefs, Week 16

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by tnteicher:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
You've been smoking too much of that midwest meth if you think Brock is merely a game manager.

He is a product of your offense,, nothing more. Jimmy G looked like a pro bowler in that system. Enough said

I don't know if you believe that or are just trolling. You must think he takes 3-4 yard checkdowns every play to keep the chains rolling? Let me tell you what he's done this year that makes him a game changer:

1) Elite level throws. On several occasions he's hit deebo and Aiyuk on some back shoulder throws for TDs
That is something Jimmy could never accomplish. He's also a sniper at dropping balls over defenders outstretched arms into our receivers chest

2) Consistently extends plays to find the open receiver. He's very savvy in the pocket and buys a few extra seconds to find the open man

3) Scrambling ability is unlocked. He's been getting more and more comfortable using his legs. He's extending drives

4) Elite processor. This has been beaten to death

5) Deep ball is getting better and better. He's taking more deep shots and successfully completing them

I swear some people see a shorter, small build white dude and just assume he's a "game manager" and nothing else. Sorry he's not your prototype build for an elite level player, but he is playing like one. Just look with your eyes and stop watching the national media for your NFL news

Agree!!! What I see in Purdy compared to JG is not only his field vision and calmness in the pocket but JG would freak out after the 1st read and throw balls behind or high and not that accurate even to the outlet RB. Purdy does not freak out and throws a very catchable ball in stride and will go down field for the Killshot rather than check down. Love this young man. This guy has " It ".!!!! JMOPO I cannot wait for this game!!!!! Go Niners

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I was around for all of Reid, and he wasn't ever regarded as a choker from my view. Maybe getting clock mgmt wrong, and run pass splits wrong. I think choker fair or not more follows Kyle from the SB51 and 54 outcomes, and the NFCCG outcome up 10. The QB McNabb got some blame for choking, due to his rumored throwing up in the huddle.

Reid blew numerous NFCC games, always lost in the playoffs for 20 years. Didn't matter who the QB was. Throwing up in the huddle doesn't equal being a chocker. Stop that nonsense.

Kyle wasn't even the HC in ATL. He wasn't responsible for giving up 500 yards of offense or not giving the team a chance to play in OT. Quinn was the guy who had final say AND was the play caller on D. Dude got zero blame which is still unbelievable.

Reid was regarded as a choker for 20 yrs. He has his own clock management issues…Not until he got the golden goose and let Mahomes run around pulling s**t out of his ass, did he start finishing the job.

I think both are amazing HC…let's keep s**t real though.

Jimmy G never had a year like this ever. Kyle is not going to be your offensive coordinator. Purdy is a great QB. Go away.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I was around for all of Reid, and he wasn't ever regarded as a choker from my view. Maybe getting clock mgmt wrong, and run pass splits wrong. I think choker fair or not more follows Kyle from the SB51 and 54 outcomes, and the NFCCG outcome up 10. The QB McNabb got some blame for choking, due to his rumored throwing up in the huddle.

Reid blew numerous NFCC games, always lost in the playoffs for 20 years. Didn't matter who the QB was. Throwing up in the huddle doesn't equal being a chocker. Stop that nonsense.

Kyle wasn't even the HC in ATL. He wasn't responsible for giving up 500 yards of offense or not giving the team a chance to play in OT. Quinn was the guy who had final say AND was the play caller on D. Dude got zero blame which is still unbelievable.

Reid was regarded as a choker for 20 yrs. He has his own clock management issues…Not until he got the golden goose and let Mahomes run around pulling s**t out of his ass, did he start finishing the job.

I think both are amazing HC…let's keep s**t real though.

You'll notice I'm not talking about my opinion, more just the league perception. McNabb was labeled a choke artist far and wide. Reid never really wore that label perhaps in your mind, but not among the popular public narrative. No one went into SB 54 thinking SF would prevail cuz Reid is a choke artist or anything along those lines, that I recall.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I'm not assigning any fault, I'm just talking the narratives that go around. NY said Reid was a 20 year choker, I don't recall hearing that narrative. Shanny gets it more, and I don't think the SB51 is fair, never did. Why is the OC getting the blame, and not the HC, or Freeman? Regardless of what we think tho, it is the narrative. Win the big one, and all that narrative goes away.

You say you were around, but I don't think you were paying attention

https://www.espn.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/83518/why-does-chiefs-coach-andy-reid-struggle-in-the-playoffs

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/01/19/andy-reid-can-shed-choker-label-with-super-bowl-win/

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/2018/1/7/16859140/andy-reid-kansas-city-chiefs-titans-postseason-choker-narrative

https://slate.com/culture/2013/01/andy-reid-fired-the-eagles-coach-was-good-enough-to-make-you-hate-him-for-how-bad-he-was.html

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You'll notice I'm not talking about my opinion, more just the league perception. McNabb was labeled a choke artist far and wide. Reid never really wore that label perhaps in your mind, but not among the popular public narrative. No one went into SB 54 thinking SF would prevail cuz Reid is a choke artist or anything along those lines, that I recall.

If you did a simply google search you will see you are in fact using your opinion.

And yes they did say that before the SB lol see above

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Trying to wrestle with the fact that this year the Chiefs rarely give up 21+ points this season.

Our wins usually start with "Brock 30".

This means our D needs to be solid from the get go and an ugly win is the solution, or we need to expose something with the Chiefs and find a way to score that other teams haven't.

Ball control and being patient with the run may be the best path.

On offense we were 2nd with 28.9 ppg, KC 15th 22.1. On D they were 2nd giving up 16.8, we were 3rd giving up 18.4. But as I've said before, no stats matter in this game, it's simply who plays better that day and I truly believe it will be us.

I'm trying to get nervous about this game like I always do, but something just feels right about this setup. Don't get me wrong. I respect the hell out of Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have the best defense. I certainly SHOULD be worried, but this one just feels like it's our year. McCaffrey has just been on a mission all year to cap a HoF career with a Super Bowl win. The defense has been publicly shamed for their recent half-assed efforts and is champing at the bit. The stage is not too big for Purdy in a way you couldn't confidently say about Garoppolo. None of this ensures anything, of course, but this team just feels primed to go take it by the throat and claim the championship. The Chiefs with all of their celebrity and commercial endorsements have lost some of their edge. I think there's a decent chance the Niners absolutely throttle them to put an exclamation point on it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You'll notice I'm not talking about my opinion, more just the league perception. McNabb was labeled a choke artist far and wide. Reid never really wore that label perhaps in your mind, but not among the popular public narrative. No one went into SB 54 thinking SF would prevail cuz Reid is a choke artist or anything along those lines, that I recall.

If you did a simply google search you will see you are in fact using your opinion.

And yes they did say that before the SB lol see above

Didn't the eagles begin to hate how many screens Reid ran? I feel like I remember seeing a bunch of dudes crying about screens from Phili

Originally posted by BSofSF:
I'm trying to get nervous about this game like I always do, but something just feels right about this setup. Don't get me wrong. I respect the hell out of Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have the best defense. I certainly SHOULD be worried, but this one just feels like it's our year. McCaffrey has just been on a mission all year to cap a HoF career with a Super Bowl win. The defense has been publicly shamed for their recent half-assed efforts and is champing at the bit. The stage is not too big for Purdy in a way you couldn't confidently say about Garoppolo. None of this ensures anything, of course, but this team just feels primed to go take it by the throat and claim the championship. The Chiefs with all of their celebrity and commercial endorsements have lost some of their edge. I think there's a decent chance the Niners absolutely throttle them to put an exclamation point on it.

It's only Wednesday. Wait til Sunday as the hours and minutes start taking longer and longer. That's when my nerves kick in.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I was around for all of Reid, and he wasn't ever regarded as a choker from my view. Maybe getting clock mgmt wrong, and run pass splits wrong. I think choker fair or not more follows Kyle from the SB51 and 54 outcomes, and the NFCCG outcome up 10. The QB McNabb got some blame for choking, due to his rumored throwing up in the huddle.

Reid blew numerous NFCC games, always lost in the playoffs for 20 years. Didn't matter who the QB was. Throwing up in the huddle doesn't equal being a chocker. Stop that nonsense.

Kyle wasn't even the HC in ATL. He wasn't responsible for giving up 500 yards of offense or not giving the team a chance to play in OT. Quinn was the guy who had final say AND was the play caller on D. Dude got zero blame which is still unbelievable.

Reid was regarded as a choker for 20 yrs. He has his own clock management issues…Not until he got the golden goose and let Mahomes run around pulling s**t out of his ass, did he start finishing the job.

I think both are amazing HC…let's keep s**t real though.

You'll notice I'm not talking about my opinion, more just the league perception. McNabb was labeled a choke artist far and wide. Reid never really wore that label perhaps in your mind, but not among the popular public narrative. No one went into SB 54 thinking SF would prevail cuz Reid is a choke artist or anything along those lines, that I recall.

Are you kidding? Are these your practice posts? It was a huge narrative going into SB 54