🏆 SUPER BOWL LVIII PREGAME THREAD - SF 49ERS vs KC CHIEFS 🏆

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Last time the 49ers played the Chiefs, Andy Reid GASHED them with jet sweeps. I hope to God that Wilks is preparing for that because you know it's coming.

Spoiler alert… lol

Bosa and Young need to get their head out of their ass.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by steiber:
I'd like to see the 49ers use more of the hurry up offense we saw to start the second half. It's another thing to keep KC off balance and the players seem to like it. It would also wear down the DL which is very good.

Just something we seemingly never see unless we have no choice. I'm with you though. Pace can be a great tool to manufacture advantage when we have a great offense and our D is untrustworthy.

Typically I say yes, as you want this great O, getting more plays and snaps. If anything for this matchup, I say we play our deliberate pace on O. And have those 12 play 8 min gone drives. That's a way to counter Mahomes.

I agree. The best defense against Mahomes is for us to keep the ball away from him. I'd like to see a throwback gameplan from Kyle to what we did to the Rams a few years ago where we just ate up clock with 6,7, 8 minute drives. Heavy run game (KC is vulnerable here from my understanding) with playaction/horizontal passes mixed in. Key is to cap these drives with TDs and NO TURNOVERS.

Special teams needs to be clutch too. Field position will be huge in limiting the damage that Reid and Mahomes can do to us. They are going to eat, we just need to limit how much.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Spoiler alert… lol

WR Mecole Hardman takes the jet sweep 25 yards for his 2nd TD of the day. PAT is good. #Chiefs - 14#49ers - 13#ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/antiYst7C6

— Devon Clements (@DevclemNFL) October 23, 2022

We need to get Wilks attention

I wonder if Wilks is daring enough to come in with a gameplan that Reid hasn't seen from the 49ers this season. For example, Belichick re-vamped his defensive front to give Sean McVay a look that wasn't on film when he went with a 6-1 front that destroyed the Rams outside zone game in that Super Bowl. Reid has two weeks to cook up a gameplan. If Wilks' message is, "we have to execute at our best", that's not good enough.

Hopefully this will be the first game in the postseason where we play a complete game.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I agree. The best defense against Mahomes is for us to keep the ball away from him. I'd like to see a throwback gameplan from Kyle to what we did to the Rams a few years ago where we just ate up clock with 6,7, 8 minute drives. Heavy run game (KC is vulnerable here from my understanding) with playaction/horizontal passes mixed in. Key is to cap these drives with TDs and NO TURNOVERS.

Special teams needs to be clutch too. Field position will be huge in limiting the damage that Reid and Mahomes can do to us. They are going to eat, we just need to limit how much.

Obviously want to play keep away with a lead but statistically if you look at points per drive for and against, I bet you the difference is to our advantage and that advantage will grow with more opportunity. We're an offensive team right now. Teams work to keep us off the field.

It's simply good to be multiple and that includes how you attack teams with pace IMO.

Originally posted by thl408:
I wonder if Wilks is daring enough to come in with a gameplan that Reid hasn't seen from the 49ers this season. For example, Belichick re-vamped his defensive front to give Sean McVay a look that wasn't on film when he went with a 6-1 front that destroyed the Rams outside zone game in that Super Bowl. Reid has two weeks to cook up a gameplan. If Wilks' message is, "we have to execute at our best", that's not good enough.

Couldn't agree more. There's no excuse not to when our s**t isn't working anyway.

Originally posted by thl408:
I wonder if Wilks is daring enough to come in with a gameplan that Reid hasn't seen from the 49ers this season. For example, Belichick re-vamped his defensive front to give Sean McVay a look that wasn't on film when he went with a 6-1 front that destroyed the Rams outside zone game. Reid has two weeks to cook up a gameplan. If Wilks' message is 'we have to execute better' that's not good enough.

Ugh, I don't feel so good. I hope Shanahan helps with the defensive gameplan because if the DL is playing how they typically do with their eyes on the ball and flying upfield, Reid is going to gash them on the perimeter with jet sweeps/pin pulls/crack tosses.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Spoiler alert… lol

WR Mecole Hardman takes the jet sweep 25 yards for his 2nd TD of the day. PAT is good. #Chiefs - 14#49ers - 13#ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/antiYst7C6

— Devon Clements (@DevclemNFL) October 23, 2022

We need to get Wilks attention

I wonder if Wilks is daring enough to come in with a gameplan that Reid hasn't seen from the 49ers this season. For example, Belichick re-vamped his defensive front to give Sean McVay a look that wasn't on film when he went with a 6-1 front that destroyed the Rams outside zone game in that Super Bowl. Reid has two weeks to cook up a gameplan. If Wilks' message is, "we have to execute at our best", that's not good enough.

Agree. Wilks has turned this defense from a scheme defense to an execution defense. It has not worked. We need to try to confuse Maholmes with scheming. We need to add more wrinkles.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I agree. The best defense against Mahomes is for us to keep the ball away from him. I'd like to see a throwback gameplan from Kyle to what we did to the Rams a few years ago where we just ate up clock with 6,7, 8 minute drives. Heavy run game (KC is vulnerable here from my understanding) with playaction/horizontal passes mixed in. Key is to cap these drives with TDs and NO TURNOVERS.

Special teams needs to be clutch too. Field position will be huge in limiting the damage that Reid and Mahomes can do to us. They are going to eat, we just need to limit how much.

Obviously want to play keep away with a lead but statistically if you look at points per drive for and against, I bet you the difference is to our advantage and that advantage will grow with more opportunity. We're an offensive team right now. Teams work to keep us off the field.

It's simply good to be multiple and that includes how you attack teams with pace IMO.

I hear you, I just think we are dealing with a different beast in the Chiefs, and TBH my confidence in our defense has been shaken. I guess it will depend on how the game unfolds. If we can score quick and frequently early on while our defense is able to get stops/generate turnovers, then we can stick to the script. But if the defense is a liability and it's a close game, then we need to control the game flow with ball control and playing possessions + Shanny's lap strategy.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Last time the 49ers played the Chiefs, Andy Reid GASHED them with jet sweeps. I hope to God that Wilks is preparing for that because you know it's coming.

Well the same style runs that the packers did, lions implemented, as well as power runs. That was by far the worst our run d has looked.

never thought ferrell would be that big of a loss. Lol

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I agree. The best defense against Mahomes is for us to keep the ball away from him. I'd like to see a throwback gameplan from Kyle to what we did to the Rams a few years ago where we just ate up clock with 6,7, 8 minute drives. Heavy run game (KC is vulnerable here from my understanding) with playaction/horizontal passes mixed in. Key is to cap these drives with TDs and NO TURNOVERS.

Special teams needs to be clutch too. Field position will be huge in limiting the damage that Reid and Mahomes can do to us. They are going to eat, we just need to limit how much.

Obviously want to play keep away with a lead but statistically if you look at points per drive for and against, I bet you the difference is to our advantage and that advantage will grow with more opportunity. We're an offensive team right now. Teams work to keep us off the field.

It's simply good to be multiple and that includes how you attack teams with pace IMO.

I hear you, I just think we are dealing with a different beast in the Chiefs, and TBH my confidence in our defense has been shaken. I guess it will depend on how the game unfolds. If we can score quick and frequently early on while our defense is able to get stops/generate turnovers, then we can stick to the script. But if the defense is a liability and it's a close game, then we need to control the game flow with ball control and playing possessions + Shanny's lap strategy.

Controlling the game offensively will be tough. The Chiefs D is no joke and has played well all year. Our defense cant s**t the bed like they have the past two weeks. I have been waiting all year for our defense to put together a dominate game.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Agree. Wilks has turned this defense from a scheme defense to an execution defense. It has not worked. We need to try to confuse Maholmes with scheming. We need to add more wrinkles.

We aren't going to confuse him, need to disguise looks while getting pressure on him - that'll get him to eventually make mistakes. He has a lot of turnovers this year.

i think if we are very physical with his skill guys, they'll make more mistakes and drop balls. They lead the league in that stuff. Need brown, greenlaw, and Demo to bring the pain.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wonder if Wilks is daring enough to come in with a gameplan that Reid hasn't seen from the 49ers this season. For example, Belichick re-vamped his defensive front to give Sean McVay a look that wasn't on film when he went with a 6-1 front that destroyed the Rams outside zone game. Reid has two weeks to cook up a gameplan. If Wilks' message is 'we have to execute better' that's not good enough.

Ugh, I don't feel so good. I hope Shanahan helps with the defensive gameplan because if the DL is playing how they typically do with their eyes on the ball and flying upfield, Reid is going to gash them on the perimeter with jet sweeps/pin pulls/crack tosses.

It's the whole two weeks thing. That's a long time to give an offensive genius. I do remember when KC came in last season and wrecked the 49ers front with those perimeter runs. It was different because instead of attacking the wide9's known weakness, interior gaps, they sealed the edge force player and attacked wide. And they did it by formation as well as using the wide9's aggressive nature against it.

Would Wilks and Kocurek consider a read and react type of run fit? Adopt two gapping on some plays so the DL doesn't get too far upfield, and are less susceptible to trap block concepts? They need to think outside the box, not be predictable, or else a play designer like Reid is going to put on an offensive show.

Originally posted by tankle104:
We aren't going to confuse him, need to disguise looks while getting pressure on him - that'll get him to eventually make mistakes. He has a lot of turnovers this year.

i think if we are very physical with his skill guys, they'll make more mistakes and drop balls. They lead the league in that stuff. Need brown, greenlaw, and Demo to bring the pain.

Go with the Chmura strategy?

how da hell did the eagles beat the chiefs?