Who will be the Niners new DC?-Rooney Rule Now Applicable

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
My hesitations come from how that Chargers D underperformed and the culture.

Big red flag. How many years was he a DC before getting the Chargers HC job? 1?

People who know football better than all of us saw him as a defensive minded prodigy that was a rising star in football after that 1 year. Like I said it's a boom/bust hire imo. He could be another DC like Wilks who we part ways with quickly. But if he can get our Defense to be the top D he probably wouldn't be looked at as a HC for a few years with how disastrous his time with the Chargers was.

Good take here.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Gonna be Brandon Staley.

I think so also. It's a big boom/bust hire for sure

I don't think he would be as bad as hire as most make him out to be.

My hesitations come from how that Chargers D underperformed and the culture.

That's true, no denying that. Could it be the case that he had too much on his plate and is better off just focusing on one side of the ball?

The optimist in me thinks that's very possible. That he wasn't able to just plan D and wasnt able to balance everything he had going on. The pessimist in me thinks he rode Wade Phillips wake and Aaron Donald's talent to a Head Coaching spot.

One things for sure, Staley the one time he was a DC kept the Rams defense at an elite level. Wilks, had more talent or just as much talent as Ryans, Saleh and the defense took a huge nose dive in a lot of categories. This is why I think Staley wouldn't be as bad.

I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Gonna be Brandon Staley.

I think so also. It's a big boom/bust hire for sure

I don't think he would be as bad as hire as most make him out to be.

My hesitations come from how that Chargers D underperformed and the culture.

That's true, no denying that. Could it be the case that he had too much on his plate and is better off just focusing on one side of the ball?

The optimist in me thinks that's very possible. That he wasn't able to just plan D and wasnt able to balance everything he had going on. The pessimist in me thinks he rode Wade Phillips wake and Aaron Donald's talent to a Head Coaching spot.

One things for sure, Staley the one time he was a DC kept the Rams defense at an elite level. Wilks, had more talent or just as much talent as Ryans, Saleh and the defense took a huge nose dive in a lot of categories. This is why I think Staley wouldn't be as bad.

Good point. If riding the success of your predecessor was easy Wilks wouldn't have made our Defense look toothless. I think Staley would be an upgrade to Wilks but that's not exactly difficult imo.

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Do you think he force his 1.5 gap scheme here? Or would Kyle put a stop to that cause we don't have Aaron Donald on the team.

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Not to mention we had the opportunity to bring in Fangio last season as DC, but opted not to, and Staley is a Fangio protégé, so there's a precedent of passing on coaches in this vein.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Do you think he force his 1.5 gap scheme here? Or would Kyle put a stop to that cause we don't have Aaron Donald on the team.

Didn't Sebastian Joseph-Day excel in his offense?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Do you think he force his 1.5 gap scheme here? Or would Kyle put a stop to that cause we don't have Aaron Donald on the team.

I don't know. Staley came up through the ranks with Fangio (two years in CHI, one year in DEN), who is the godfather of this 1.5 gap stuff. Is Staley versed enough to adapt to another scheme? Is forcing Staley to adapt to a one gap scheme 'neutering' him from what he believes in?

Kyle hired Wilks, known for being a top blitzing DC, and for some reason Wilks went away from being a high frequency blitzer. Don't hire a guy with a known track record of doing things a certain way and ask him to change his stripes - that's a gamble - perhaps a veteran coach can do that. Maybe Staley is a defensive savant and can teach anything, we don't know.

Originally posted by IGSXIII:

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Not to mention we had the opportunity to bring in Fangio last season as DC, but opted not to, and Staley is a Fangio protégé, so there's a precedent of passing on coaches in this vein.

I'm not so sure Fangio was working with the 49ers to teach his front7 principles. I think it was to teach Demeco the pattern matching coverages (Quarters, Cover6). Just my hunch, because what Fangio does and what Koceruk does are opposite.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Do you think he force his 1.5 gap scheme here? Or would Kyle put a stop to that cause we don't have Aaron Donald on the team.

Didn't Sebastian Joseph-Day excel in his offense?

SJD was with Staley in LAR and LAC. I don't know if he excelled or to what level he played.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Do you think he force his 1.5 gap scheme here? Or would Kyle put a stop to that cause we don't have Aaron Donald on the team.

I don't know. Staley came up through the ranks with Fangio (two years in CHI, one year in DEN), who is the godfather of this 1.5 gap stuff. Is Staley versed enough to adapt to another scheme? Is forcing Staley to adapt to a one gap scheme 'neutering' him from what he believes in?

Kyle hired Wilks, known for being a top blitzing DC, and for some reason Wilks went away from being a high frequency blitzer. Don't hire a guy with a known track record of doing things a certain way and ask him to change his stripes - that's a gamble - perhaps a veteran coach can do that. Maybe Staley is a defensive savant and can teach anything, we don't know.

Yeah those are the questions Kyle's probably wrestling with. Cause I'm sure on a whiteboard Staley is a f**king rock star and that makes Kyle's pants fit a bit tighter. I'm looking at Staley for his supposed genius and potential that made him the belle of the ball just a few years ago. Like his hype was much higher than Saleh and Ryan's.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

Do you think he force his 1.5 gap scheme here? Or would Kyle put a stop to that cause we don't have Aaron Donald on the team.

I don't know. Staley came up through the ranks with Fangio (two years in CHI, one year in DEN), who is the godfather of this 1.5 gap stuff. Is Staley versed enough to adapt to another scheme? Is forcing Staley to adapt to a one gap scheme 'neutering' him from what he believes in?

Kyle hired Wilks, known for being a top blitzing DC, and for some reason Wilks went away from being a high frequency blitzer. Don't hire a guy with a known track record of doing things a certain way and ask him to change his stripes - that's a gamble - perhaps a veteran coach can do that. Maybe Staley is a defensive savant and can teach anything, we don't know.

Yeah those are the questions Kyle's probably wrestling with. Cause I'm sure on a whiteboard Staley is a f**king rock star and that makes Kyle's pants fit a bit tighter. I'm looking at Staley for his supposed genius and potential that made him the belle of the ball just a few years ago. Like his hype was much higher than Saleh and Ryan's.

Saleh didn't have the pressure of stepping in to continue a top ranked defense. His biggest contribution imo was bringing a great culture and work ethic to the rebuilding 49ers. Ryans was perceived as a guy that was going to be a head coach sooner or later, from his days a position coach - he was a leader of men and inherited a culture and talented defensive roster that he helped build.

This new DC has the pressure of 'running it back' and getting back to the SB. It's a veteran defense and if the DC comes in and doesn't win the room over, whether through personality or Xs/Os, there's a danger of a lost season defensively. If Staley comes in and brings his scheme, and things don't start well and by midseason it looks like the new scheme isn't producing good results, these veterans may be disgruntled. Even Bosa around midseason 2023 passively expressed his disagreement with how Wilks was doing things.

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

I agree with you on that you can't just plug n play. But would Staley adjust his front 7 is the question? Because obviously Shanahan has no plans to get rid of any of his staff as in Kris Koucerek.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by thl408:
I feel like the majority of posters just gloss over how the entire front7 will need to change the way they play if Staley were to come on board. This isn't a video game where you just put players into a different position and all their ability ratings translate over.

I agree with you on that you can't just plug n play. But would Staley adjust his front 7 is the question? Because obviously Shanahan has no plans to get rid of any of his staff as in Kris Koucerek.

Like Hysterikal mentioned, this could be a question Kyle is wrestling with. If there were no expectations for 2024, then sure, let's be open to scheme change. But there are expectations for 2024. Is Staley able to adapt, or is a he staunch believer in this Fangio front7 scheme? If he's a strong believer in it, and Kyle hires him with the requirement that Staley has to adapt to one gapping, then there's a mismatch here. Similar to what I mentioned earlier, how Kyle hired Wilks and told him to not blitz so much - that's a mismatch.
All coaches say they want to adapt to their personnel, but not all coaches are able to do that effectively because they have been engrained into a certain scheme while having little exposure teaching a different scheme.

I can't believe we are gonna hire Staley