Who will be the Niners new DC?-Rooney Rule Now Applicable

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If they went with a first timer, I like everything I've read about Lynn.

https://www.on3.com/teams/usc-trojans/news/danton-lynn-on-scheme-versatility-coaching-influences-and-where-uscs-defense-needs-to-improve/

"I have to say Rex Ryan. I played for Rex. I was a scout for Rex. And I was a coach for Rex. So he kind of got me into the league, and a lot of the things that I do, a lot of the way I see the game always comes back to him. Gus Bradley is someone who had a huge impact. I think he's just a phenomenal teacher — super, super detailed. I was only with him for a year, but that year I was with him I grew a lot. And then, you know, Romeo Crennel, Wink Martindale and Mike Macdonald. Those are the next DCs I was with and I feel like each of them had a different impact on me. And you know, I take a little bit from everywhere I've been and, just very, very thankful and grateful to have been exposed to those types of coaches."

"You know, you want versatile guys up front who can align in different spots. That way you can get into different fronts without having to sub. You need certain types of bodies on the edge. You need certain types of bodies on the inside where you can move those guys around. So if we want to go from a four-down front to a five-down front, we don't need to sub to put a bigger guy in. We have the personnel where we can just go ahead and do that with the guys we have on the field. And then from a linebacker and secondary standpoint, same thing. Versatility, football instincts, guys who are very passionate and love football."

He literally sounds like a Shanahan of the defense, an absolute wizard in the making. Culturally, he wants everything Kyle wants in a player. I seriously would love to bring him in here. Of course, I think he probably would get snatched as a head coach before long too though.

Based on that, he lasts 2 years max as a DC. I absolutely love this. I love who has been around, the influences, the track record, and the thoughtful approach to running a defense. Anthony Lynn just having been here has to help .

Originally posted by boast:
if D'Anton Lynn is a legit candidate, you'd think his dad wouldnt have bailed to WAS

Anthony went to Washington because Bobby Turner is back in full capacity. Turner never retired, he stepped away for medical reasons, and Lynn was hired to fill his spot.

This was back in 2022, and Lynn only had a two year deal.

Originally posted by boast:
if D'Anton Lynn is a legit candidate, you'd think his dad wouldnt have bailed to WAS

What in the actual hell does that even have to do with him being a legit candidate? His dad can do whatever he wants.

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by boast:
if D'Anton Lynn is a legit candidate, you'd think his dad wouldnt have bailed to WAS

What in the actual hell does that even have to do with him being a legit candidate? His dad can do whatever he wants.

lol calm down. my thinking was they would've likely wanted the opportunity to coach together.

One name I didn't understand the hype over was Vrabel. But in reading up on him, I think he may be what this team needs - a fiery DC. But a DC can't just go around yelling "all gas, no breaks" or "SWARM". So I looked up some comments on how he views defense and I found this when he was introduced as TEN head coach.

https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/mike-vrabel-s-one-paragraph-definitions-of-his-offense-and-defense
Defense: "I have a philosophy defensively that we're going to have coverage consistency and we're going to have front multiplicity. We have great players. We're going to introduce our coverage concepts to them, that's going to remain consistent throughout what we do. And then we're going to have guys up front that may be geared toward to an under-defense, an over-defense, three-down, five-down – multiplicity in our front. So it's coverage consistently, front multiplicity."
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I don't watch TEN games so I don't know the details, but I like the idea of being multiple up front. With that philosophy, you open up the possibility of being creative and having an aggressiveness in scheming up ways to attack the OL, both in run and pass. This is the same philosophy as Belichik, aggressive fronts, not in terms of one gapping, but in terms of scheming up fronts that give the offense problems. Aggressive in changing up the look so the offense can't get a beat on what they are about to see as they break the huddle. This is an area that can be unlocked for the DL after spending years locked into the wide9.

Originally posted by thl408:

One name I didn't understand the hype over was Vrabel. But in reading up on him, I think he may be what this team needs - a fiery DC. But a DC can't just go around yelling "all gas, no breaks" or "SWARM". So I looked up some comments on how he views defense and I found this when he was introduced as TEN head coach.

https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/mike-vrabel-s-one-paragraph-definitions-of-his-offense-and-defense
Defense: "I have a philosophy defensively that we're going to have coverage consistency and we're going to have front multiplicity. We have great players. We're going to introduce our coverage concepts to them, that's going to remain consistent throughout what we do. And then we're going to have guys up front that may be geared toward to an under-defense, an over-defense, three-down, five-down – multiplicity in our front. So it's coverage consistently, front multiplicity."
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I don't watch TEN games so I don't know the details, but I like the idea of being multiple up front. With that philosophy, you open up the possibility of being creative and having an aggressiveness in scheming up ways to attack the OL, both in run and pass. This is the same philosophy as Belichik, aggressive fronts, not in terms of one gapping, but in terms of scheming up fronts that give the offense problems. Aggressive in changing up the look so the offense can't get a beat on what they are about to see as they break the huddle. This is an area that can be unlocked for the DL after spending years locked into the wide9.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/197292-who-will-the-niners-new/page11/ post #154

I thought about this too, but then .. I recall the issues with Vrabel is over time his defenses seem to have some major issues executing. I don't know if it's just talent. But it makes him a bit of a high risk the more I think about it.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If they went with a first timer, I like everything I've read about Lynn.

https://www.on3.com/teams/usc-trojans/news/danton-lynn-on-scheme-versatility-coaching-influences-and-where-uscs-defense-needs-to-improve/

"I have to say Rex Ryan. I played for Rex. I was a scout for Rex. And I was a coach for Rex. So he kind of got me into the league, and a lot of the things that I do, a lot of the way I see the game always comes back to him. Gus Bradley is someone who had a huge impact. I think he's just a phenomenal teacher — super, super detailed. I was only with him for a year, but that year I was with him I grew a lot. And then, you know, Romeo Crennel, Wink Martindale and Mike Macdonald. Those are the next DCs I was with and I feel like each of them had a different impact on me. And you know, I take a little bit from everywhere I've been and, just very, very thankful and grateful to have been exposed to those types of coaches."

"You know, you want versatile guys up front who can align in different spots. That way you can get into different fronts without having to sub. You need certain types of bodies on the edge. You need certain types of bodies on the inside where you can move those guys around. So if we want to go from a four-down front to a five-down front, we don't need to sub to put a bigger guy in. We have the personnel where we can just go ahead and do that with the guys we have on the field. And then from a linebacker and secondary standpoint, same thing. Versatility, football instincts, guys who are very passionate and love football."

He literally sounds like a Shanahan of the defense, an absolute wizard in the making. Culturally, he wants everything Kyle wants in a player. I seriously would love to bring him in here. Of course, I think he probably would get snatched as a head coach before long too though.

Based on that, he lasts 2 years max as a DC. I absolutely love this. I love who has been around, the influences, the track record, and the thoughtful approach to running a defense. Anthony Lynn just having been here has to help .

A friend of mine is a football coach for a local HS. He said D'Anton Lynn visited his players practices over the summer for a couple lineman they had.

I asked him what his impression was of the coach, and he said,

"Quiet and studious. Shook all our coach's hands. Took notes on a notepad. Kept to himself. But was really respectful and thanked each one of us for having him. Gave us feedback on what he thought of those two players, which was cool too."

Obviously, not the most insight on him as a coach. lol

But my friend was impressed by him and said not everyone is respectful.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:
One name I didn't understand the hype over was Vrabel. But in reading up on him, I think he may be what this team needs - a fiery DC. But a DC can't just go around yelling "all gas, no breaks" or "SWARM". So I looked up some comments on how he views defense and I found this when he was introduced as TEN head coach.

https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/mike-vrabel-s-one-paragraph-definitions-of-his-offense-and-defense
Defense: "I have a philosophy defensively that we're going to have coverage consistency and we're going to have front multiplicity. We have great players. We're going to introduce our coverage concepts to them, that's going to remain consistent throughout what we do. And then we're going to have guys up front that may be geared toward to an under-defense, an over-defense, three-down, five-down – multiplicity in our front. So it's coverage consistently, front multiplicity."
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I don't watch TEN games so I don't know the details, but I like the idea of being multiple up front. With that philosophy, you open up the possibility of being creative and having an aggressiveness in scheming up ways to attack the OL, both in run and pass. This is the same philosophy as Belichik, aggressive fronts, not in terms of one gapping, but in terms of scheming up fronts that give the offense problems. Aggressive in changing up the look so the offense can't get a beat on what they are about to see as they break the huddle. This is an area that can be unlocked for the DL after spending years locked into the wide9.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/197292-who-will-the-niners-new/page11/ post #154

I thought about this too, but then .. I recall the issues with Vrabel is over time his defenses seem to have some major issues executing. I don't know if it's just talent. But it makes him a bit of a high risk the more I think about it.

Ah I missed that post. To be clear, just because Vrabel said that, doesn't mean he can coach it up. But that type of philosophy is intriguing to me. OL is weak across the league, generally speaking. Being dynamic with how to attack the OL would bring another dimension to the 49er defense. I do think a slight scheme change would help reduce the staleness for the returning defensive players. The one aspect I do want them to keep is to be a one gapping defense. It is too much of a change to start drafting/teaching 1.5/2 gap players as it doesn't just affect the DL, but also the LBs.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

One name I didn't understand the hype over was Vrabel. But in reading up on him, I think he may be what this team needs - a fiery DC. But a DC can't just go around yelling "all gas, no breaks" or "SWARM". So I looked up some comments on how he views defense and I found this when he was introduced as TEN head coach.

https://www.paulkuharsky.com/news/mike-vrabel-s-one-paragraph-definitions-of-his-offense-and-defense
Defense: "I have a philosophy defensively that we're going to have coverage consistency and we're going to have front multiplicity. We have great players. We're going to introduce our coverage concepts to them, that's going to remain consistent throughout what we do. And then we're going to have guys up front that may be geared toward to an under-defense, an over-defense, three-down, five-down – multiplicity in our front. So it's coverage consistently, front multiplicity."
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I don't watch TEN games so I don't know the details, but I like the idea of being multiple up front. With that philosophy, you open up the possibility of being creative and having an aggressiveness in scheming up ways to attack the OL, both in run and pass. This is the same philosophy as Belichik, aggressive fronts, not in terms of one gapping, but in terms of scheming up fronts that give the offense problems. Aggressive in changing up the look so the offense can't get a beat on what they are about to see as they break the huddle. This is an area that can be unlocked for the DL after spending years locked into the wide9.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/197292-who-will-the-niners-new/page11/ post #154

I thought about this too, but then .. I recall the issues with Vrabel is over time his defenses seem to have some major issues executing. I don't know if it's just talent. But it makes him a bit of a high risk the more I think about it.

Ah I missed that post. To be clear, just because Vrabel said that, doesn't mean he can coach it up. But that type of philosophy is intriguing to me. OL is weak across the league, generally speaking. Being dynamic with how to attack the OL would bring another dimension to the 49er defense. I do think a slight scheme change would help reduce the staleness for the returning defensive players. The one aspect I do want them to keep is to be a one gapping defense. It is too much of a change to start drafting/teaching 1.5/2 gap players as it doesn't just affect the DL, but also the LBs.

Completely agree. 1-gap only.

None of our LBs can play in a "multiple front" defense.

Dont forget those Patriot LBs were massive and virtually the same size as a DE

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Trade the 1st rounder to the Browns for Jim Schwartz.


/thread

Would be the best first rounder since Bosa!!!

Originally posted by All22:
None of our LBs can play in a "multiple front" defense.

Dont forget those Patriot LBs were massive and virtually the same size as a DE

What does the size of the LBs have to do with running a defense that uses multiple fronts? Warner and the WILL backer would remain as offball LBs.

It's the DEs that may have to operate from a standup position. Would also need a couple big DTs to provide flexibility. If anything, Bosa and Chase are too big to play as OLBs in a five man front. (I know Chase most likely isn't returning).

It's the idea of being unpredictable. I think we may see more heavy personnel in the near future as offenses look to exploit mismatches, both in the run and passing game, by fielding 2, and even 3 TEs. This creates a wider surface compared to just having 1 inline TE.

A defense being able to switch to a five man front, being multiple, would be better equipped to defend the run in these instances with multiple inline TEs.

Originally posted by thl408:
What does the size of the LBs have to do with running a defense that uses multiple fronts? Warner and the WILL backer would remain as offball LBs.

It's the DEs that may have to operate from a standup position. Would also need a couple big DTs to provide flexibility. If anything, Bosa and Chase are too big to play as OLBs in a five man front. (I know Chase most likely isn't returning).

It's the idea of being unpredictable. I think we may see more heavy personnel in the near future as offenses look to exploit mismatches, both in the run and passing game, by fielding 2, and even 3 TEs. This creates a wider surface compared to just having 1 inline TE.

A defense being able to switch to a five man front, being multiple, would be better equipped to defend the run in these instances with multiple inline TEs.

If they committed to that, Darius Robinson might become significantly more appealing during the draft.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/197237-darius-robinson-dt-de-missouri/

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by All22:
None of our LBs can play in a "multiple front" defense.

Dont forget those Patriot LBs were massive and virtually the same size as a DE

What does the size of the LBs have to do with running a defense that uses multiple fronts? Warner and the WILL backer would remain as offball LBs.

It's the DEs that may have to operate from a standup position. Would also need a couple big DTs to provide flexibility. If anything, Bosa and Chase are too big to play as OLBs in a five man front. (I know Chase most likely isn't returning).

It's the idea of being unpredictable. I think we may see more heavy personnel in the near future as offenses look to exploit mismatches, both in the run and passing game, by fielding 2, and even 3 TEs. This creates a wider surface compared to just having 1 inline TE.

A defense being able to switch to a five man front, being multiple, would be better equipped to defend the run in these instances with multiple inline TEs.

Everything is dependent on Bosa and he is absolutely a 4-3 DE.

btw this thread is quiet where are the f'ing rumors?!

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Everything is dependent on Bosa and he is absolutely a 4-3 DE.

btw this thread is quiet where are the f'ing rumors?!

Bosa can absolutely play 3-4 OLB in base. If anything the 9ers would need to do the Fangio switch to 4-3 on pass downs. Why Vrabel.would make some sense.