Who will be the Niners new DC?-Rooney Rule Now Applicable

get Pete Carroll. dude created the defense we've been running

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
What about Mike Ditka?

Considering he was never really good at anything except playing, and is 40 years past his prime.....

Too serious

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
get Pete Carroll. dude created the defense we stopped running after 2017

Ftfy

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Why though? This defense pretty much guarantees you to make you look good (unless your Wilks). It will only drive up his value.

Nothing guarantees that. Hence Wilks. Can also look at someone like Quinn who vastly improved the Dallas defense initially (guess it's easy to look good after Nolan) and probably had HC opportunity after 2022 and also throughout most of 2023. It only took one disastrous game to basically knock him out of contention (luckily for him Washington whiffed on their preferred candidates). It doesn't take much to damage your reputation and ruin your future opportunities while sitting out never hurts. Look at fossils like Gruden and Payton. People were lining up to hire them even though they'd been out of the game for an eternity in NFL terms.

You look at the score and see that the defense only gave up 19 points in 4 quarters but if you watch the game you see that the defense had 3 opportunities to make a stop and failed each time. Niners get a TD to go up 16-13 and the Chiefs on the next possession march down the field and get a FG. Niners then get a FG with under 2 minutes left and the Chiefs once agaib march down the field to tie the game up. Niners then go up 3 in OT and once again the defense has a shot to win this game and the Chiefs march down the field for a game-winning TD. All the defense needed was 1 stop in the last 3 Chiefs possessions. The Niners offense wasn't at their best but they faced an elite defense and went TD-FG-FG in their last 3 drives.

The defense was #1 last season and there was no way it was gonna be #1 again this season so a regression was expected even with Ryans and the players that left were way more important than we initially thougth.

-Ebukam is a better edge setter on base defense than Ferrell.
-Omenihu is a better pass-rusher than Jackson/Gregory/Young.
-Azeez is a way better linebacker than Burks.
-J. Ward playing nickel was ligth years better than all the guys we had there this season.

Still the defense was #3 in points allowed (only 1 pont less per game than the #1 Ravens D) and allowed only 19 points in the Super Bowl.

Wilks was far from perfect (his blitzes were awful) but he wasn't as bad as we might think and he was the best coach of the team in the Super Bowl but now that doesn't matter because he is gone because for some reason the players never had a real conection with him and someone was going to be the scapegoat for the mess in OT.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
The defense was #1 last season and there was no way it was gonna be #1 again this season so a regression was expected even with Ryans and the players that left were way more important than we initially thougth.

-Ebukam is a better edge setter on base defense than Ferrell.
-Omenihu is a better pass-rusher than Jackson/Gregory/Young.
-Azeez is a way better linebacker than Burks.
-J. Ward playing nickel was ligth years better than all the guys we had there this season.

Still the defense was #3 in points allowed (only 1 pont less per game than the #1 Ravens D) and allowed only 19 points in the Super Bowl.

Wilks was far from perfect (his blitzes were awful) but he wasn't as bad as we might think and he was the best coach of the team in the Super Bowl but now that doesn't matter because he is gone because for some reason the players never had a real conection with him and someone was going to be the scapegoat for the mess in OT.

27th on 3rd down. That isn't good

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
27th on 3rd down. That isn't good

That's why I said than Wilks was far from perfect but Wilks' defense this season and Ryans' defense in 2021 (his first year) have almost the same numbers.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by GLT49ers:
But it would give shanahan the opportunity to mold his young DC into what he wants

Is the team looking to mold a DC for the future or win a SB next year? It's extremely unlikely that both will occur at the same time.

I mean you need a guy that's gonna run his scheme though….our team is built for kyle's D. So the vet DC needs to have experience doing that as well. If not you're getting another Wilks who's learning on the fly.

Kyle's D? I thought he was an offensive guy. There's enough talent on that side of the ball I think there are different schemes that would work. If they finally get help in the secondary.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
27th on 3rd down. That isn't good

That's why I said than Wilks was far from perfect but Wilks' defense this season and Ryans' defense in 2021 (his first year) have almost the same numbers.

Huge difference between 2021 and 2023 defenses is how often the 2021 was keeping the offense in the game when the score was close, while 2023 defense got to play with large leads quite a bit more.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by GLT49ers:
But it would give shanahan the opportunity to mold his young DC into what he wants

Is the team looking to mold a DC for the future or win a SB next year? It's extremely unlikely that both will occur at the same time.

I mean you need a guy that's gonna run his scheme though….our team is built for kyle's D. So the vet DC needs to have experience doing that as well. If not you're getting another Wilks who's learning on the fly.

Kyle's D? I thought he was an offensive guy. There's enough talent on that side of the ball I think there are different schemes that would work. If they finally get help in the secondary.

NY is right in that this is Kyle's defense. Saleh credited Kyle in helping evolve the original Seattle cover 3 defense into what they began running around 2018 until now.

Kyle started on the defensive side of coaching and then switched to focus on offense. He's one of the rare coaches that can coach both sides of the ball. That's one of the reasons why he gets compared to Bill Belichick.

Originally posted by captveg:
Huge difference between 2021 and 2023 defenses is how often the 2021 was keeping the offense in the game when the score was close, while 2023 defense got to play with large leads quite a bit more.

Yep and by having a lot of garbage time they could have allowed more points but even with all that garbage time they only allowed 1.5 point per game more than last season.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
27th on 3rd down. That isn't good

That's why I said than Wilks was far from perfect but Wilks' defense this season and Ryans' defense in 2021 (his first year) have almost the same numbers.

Huge difference between 2021 and 2023 defenses is how often the 2021 was keeping the offense in the game when the score was close, while 2023 defense got to play with large leads quite a bit more.

Agree with everything captveg and to add to that Wilks had a more talented front seven.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
get Pete Carroll. dude created the defense we've been running

I'm down with vrabel Pete or bill

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
get Pete Carroll. dude created the defense we've been running

I'm down with vrabel Pete or bill

Yiu might wanna get more realistic