Who will be the Niners new DC?-Rooney Rule Now Applicable

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Staley is a proven derp. I don't want him on this staff.

Staley will never be head coach again. And he did reasonably well with his time as DC. And he plays aggressive, which is exactly how our team should be playing on defense.

Is he the best candidate ? No. But if we can't someone like Belichick or Ryan here, then I'd rather have him than some internal project hire like Bullock or someone like Kiffin.

We need a home run hitter as our D coordinator. Some of these coaches you guys keep bringing up, you'd think this team is in rebuild mode…

What do you mean by Staley plays aggressive? Like he goes for it in 4th down? Going for it on 4th down is not applicable to him as a DC.

Defensively, he's not going to play soft zone or prevent in OT. He's not going to make blitzes obvious by having the blitzes line up at the line of scrimmage pre snap so that the offense adjusts…

Hiring Bill Belichick as assistant HC/DC would be up there with the Warriors signing KD after losing the 2016 Finals for me.

I give it a 1% chance of happening though.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Belichick is very doable. Here's what you offer:

1) Money talks
2) no press conferences
3) assistant HC type position, but primary focus on defense. Kyle doesn't mess with your unit and does not over ride your schemes or play calls.
4) you have pro bowl players at every level. Bosa, Hargrave, Warner, Ward, Huff. Bring in anyone from NE (players or coaches) that will improve the unit
5) high probability of winning the SB
6) if probability changes because the head coach chokes again, you're one step away from becoming head coach…

Why would he care about money? Also he has already won Superbowls as a DC why would he want to do that now? He wants the all time wins record. Cant do that as a DC and cant tie Brady with Superbowls as DC.

This is all a temporary measure. Obviously he will be a Head Coach in this league once the right opportunity turns up. The way to entice him is to convince him that the alternative is sitting on the couch doing nothing. And IF in the back of his mind he thinks he might get the SF gig then he might jump on board. Of course if we win the SB, every team and their mother will be coming after him because you know the NFL world will credit him not Kyle for the SB win.

its actually a decent offer…

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is all a temporary measure. Obviously he will be a Head Coach in this league once the right opportunity turns up. The way to entice him is to convince him that the alternative is sitting on the couch doing nothing. And IF in the back of his mind he thinks he might get the SF gig then he might jump on board. Of course if we win the SB, every team and their mother will be coming after him because you know the NFL world will credit him not Kyle for the SB win.

its actually a decent offer…

No it isn't a decent offer for either party. Start with the idea that the franchise shares none of your bonkers thinking. That much should be clear.

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is all a temporary measure. Obviously he will be a Head Coach in this league once the right opportunity turns up. The way to entice him is to convince him that the alternative is sitting on the couch doing nothing. And IF in the back of his mind he thinks he might get the SF gig then he might jump on board. Of course if we win the SB, every team and their mother will be coming after him because you know the NFL world will credit him not Kyle for the SB win.

its actually a decent offer…

Why would him winning another superbowl change the narrative on him? At 72 you aren't changing.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Staley is a proven derp. I don't want him on this staff.

Staley will never be head coach again. And he did reasonably well with his time as DC. And he plays aggressive, which is exactly how our team should be playing on defense.

Is he the best candidate ? No. But if we can't someone like Belichick or Ryan here, then I'd rather have him than some internal project hire like Bullock or someone like Kiffin.

We need a home run hitter as our D coordinator. Some of these coaches you guys keep bringing up, you'd think this team is in rebuild mode…

What do you mean by Staley plays aggressive? Like he goes for it in 4th down? Going for it on 4th down is not applicable to him as a DC.

Defensively, he's not going to play soft zone or prevent in OT. He's not going to make blitzes obvious by having the blitzes line up at the line of scrimmage pre snap so that the offense adjusts…

I don't think your second sentence has anything to do with aggressiveness, about making blitzes obvious. The first sentence where you no longer want soft zones in overtime has been resolved when Wilks was fired. I posted earlier about how Staley's scheme would require the front 7 to learn how to play an entirely different way. Are okay dealing with the learning curve?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Hiring Bill Belichick as assistant HC/DC would be up there with the Warriors signing KD after losing the 2016 Finals for me.

I give it a 1% chance of happening though.

Yah I would be pretty frickin stoked if we got Belichick. And I think everyone would trip out if theu saw him as the DC. I'd be interested to see what changes he would make personnel wise.

why would belichick be a dc for the 49ers though

Originally posted by picklejuice:

why would belichick be a dc for the 49ers though

I'd argue this opportunity could be his best chance at another Super Bowl in the near term while being a launching pad into a final HC gig somewhere.

If he really wants to coach this year, this is arguably the best remaining opportunity.

How is Pete Carol not the obvious hire? Its his scheme that Kyle been wanting to run, who better to run the Defense than the inventor of the scheme? I'm not the biggest fan of Pete but it just makes too much sense.

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:
How is Pete Carol not the obvious hire? Its his scheme that Kyle been wanting to run, who better to run the Defense than the inventor of the scheme? I'm not the biggest fan of Pete but it just makes too much sense.

This isn't Pete Carroll's scheme. The 49ers haven't ran the the Seattle scheme(4-3 under/Cover 3) scheme since 2017 ended. They began evolving it in 2018 in the back end with more Fangio-type quarters/cover 6 stuff, and then drastically altered it in 2019 with the introduction of the wide 9.

This scheme is proprietary to Kyle Shanahan.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
why would belichick be a dc for the 49ers though

I'd argue this opportunity could be his best chance at another Super Bowl in the near term while being a launching pad into a final HC gig somewhere.

If he really wants to coach this year, this is arguably the best remaining opportunity.

And why would Shanahan want this? Say we do win a SB with Belichick as our DC, he ends up with the credit with the narrative being Kyle couldn't win the big one until he brought someone onto the staff who could. If Belichick leaves after one season we just disrupted the entire defense because his scheme and Kyles are different and are starting over at square one with a DC in 2025 trying to find someone to run Kyles preferred scheme and if we don't win the SB without Belichick the narrative grows a life of its own. If Kyle stumbles in the pursuit of that SB it's constant calls for Bill to take over as hc from the fans and media. Why on earth would Kyle sign up for any of that for the chance at a SB that im sure he's confident he can win with someone else at DC?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:
How is Pete Carol not the obvious hire? Its his scheme that Kyle been wanting to run, who better to run the Defense than the inventor of the scheme? I'm not the biggest fan of Pete but it just makes too much sense.

This isn't Pete Carroll's scheme. The 49ers haven't ran the the Seattle scheme(4-3 under/Cover 3) scheme since 2017 ended. They began evolving it in 2018 in the back end with more Fangio-type quarters/cover 6 stuff, and then drastically altered it in 2019 with the introduction of the wide 9.

This scheme is proprietary to Kyle Shanahan.

Not to mention Pete's D's have been bottom third the last 5ish years.

Originally posted by WINiner:
And why would Shanahan want this? Say we do win a SB with Belichick as our DC, he ends up with the credit with the narrative being Kyle couldn't win the big one until he brought someone onto the staff who could. If Belichick leaves after one season we just disrupted the entire defense because his scheme and Kyles are different and are starting over at square one with a DC in 2025 trying to find someone to run Kyles preferred scheme and if we don't win the SB without Belichick the narrative grows a life of its own. If Kyle stumbles in the pursuit of that SB it's constant calls for Bill to take over as hc from the fans and media. Why on earth would Kyle sign up for any of that for the chance at a SB that im sure he's confident he can win with someone else at DC?

Would argue that Kyle has shown that he's not operating based on media or fan perception. If Belichick was willing to be here and Kyle thought it would help him win, I think he'd do it. None of his moves can be described as motivated by his public perception. Trey Lance being an obvious example.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:
How is Pete Carol not the obvious hire? Its his scheme that Kyle been wanting to run, who better to run the Defense than the inventor of the scheme? I'm not the biggest fan of Pete but it just makes too much sense.

This isn't Pete Carroll's scheme. The 49ers haven't ran the the Seattle scheme(4-3 under/Cover 3) scheme since 2017 ended. They began evolving it in 2018 in the back end with more Fangio-type quarters/cover 6 stuff, and then drastically altered it in 2019 with the introduction of the wide 9.

This scheme is proprietary to Kyle Shanahan.

That stuff is sprinkled in but Cover 3 is what Kyle had to remind Wilks to call...Anaheim is the cover 3 call and Kyle has said in multiple interviews that is pretty much what the DC is to call.

Just don't be surprised when they announce the hire of Pete Carol

btw the super bowl TD was thrown on cover 3(after the punt TO) and so was the INT to start the 2nd Half.