Who will be the Niners new DC?-Rooney Rule Now Applicable

Originally posted by Gemini10:
It doesn't take two weeks to promote an internal guy. They had these guys last year, interviewed some of them last cycle before they went with Wilks. It should be a swift, quick decision if they actually had confidence in one of these guys. Instead they're dragging their feet with a hire. Only makes sense if they're waiting for a

Or they could be waiting until they complete the staff as a whole before making any announcements. In addition to DC there's half a dozen other assistants that they need to replace.

People are acting like there's some hard deadline for them to have this done by. I'm guessing that when they do announce it that we'll hear about several new additions to the staff along with a new DC.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Yardage is a more organic predictor of wins, and therefore a better measure. 8th in yards allowed, down from 1st in 2022.

According to who lol? Last I checked allowing the 4th fewest points a game is good. Not letting teams score points > yardage

So you're also saying Kyle's offense is one of if not the best in the league consistently because of yardage?

According to data science and predictive analytics.

it was a s**tty hire, just accept it.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Gemini10:
It doesn't take two weeks to promote an internal guy. They had these guys last year, interviewed some of them last cycle before they went with Wilks. It should be a swift, quick decision if they actually had confidence in one of these guys. Instead they're dragging their feet with a hire. Only makes sense if they're waiting for a guy externally.

It doesn't matter what you want it to be…they could have a handshake in place with an internal coach and not making it official until everyone is done with vacations. John could "officially" say who it is on Tuesday (speaking at combine) all the same.

my god people relax….kyle has been one of the best coaches at hiring/promoting/developing in the league at the coaching position. Everyone got all upset with Wilks, like he didn't just help coach a top 5 D this yr

He didn't? 8th isn't top 5

4th in points allowed.

Yardage is a more organic predictor of wins, and therefore a better measure. 8th in yards allowed, down from 1st in 2022.

Even yardage allowed can be misleading. When your team is leading late in games it's common for the defense to relax a little and give up a long play or allow a long drive. Those yards can make things look worse than they actually were. That's why I don't always like using stats. You need to look at the circumstances to understand the meaning.

That is just your opinion. So its not really misleading. The NFL uses yardage to rank defense for a reason.

The use it because it's a number that's easy to see. They don't tell you how many of the opposing yards were given up in a losing effort while trying to play catch up. We often call those yards garbage yards since they have no effect on the outcome.

The Niners run defense is a good example. For much of the year we were told that the 49ers run defense was great. It got exposed in the playoffs. One reason they weren't giving up a lot of running yards was they were often leading for much of the game. The opposing team was passing a lot to try and catch up. That's not an opinion. It was what happened. When most teams fall behind early they aren't going to try and grind it out to catch up.

Stats can be useful but you always need to look deeper. Stats alone can be misleading.

I agree. See Jeff Garcia in 2000 when he passed for 4,000 yards. He earned those yards because the 9ers often played catch up in 2000, coming outta that season with a 6-10 record. Notice the difference when the 9ers made the playoffs in 2001?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Gemini10:
It doesn't take two weeks to promote an internal guy. They had these guys last year, interviewed some of them last cycle before they went with Wilks. It should be a swift, quick decision if they actually had confidence in one of these guys. Instead they're dragging their feet with a hire. Only makes sense if they're waiting for a guy externally.

It doesn't matter what you want it to be…they could have a handshake in place with an internal coach and not making it official until everyone is done with vacations. John could "officially" say who it is on Tuesday (speaking at combine) all the same.

my god people relax….kyle has been one of the best coaches at hiring/promoting/developing in the league at the coaching position. Everyone got all upset with Wilks, like he didn't just help coach a top 5 D this yr

He didn't? 8th isn't top 5

4th in points allowed.

Yardage is a more organic predictor of wins, and therefore a better measure. 8th in yards allowed, down from 1st in 2022.

Even yardage allowed can be misleading. When your team is leading late in games it's common for the defense to relax a little and give up a long play or allow a long drive. Those yards can make things look worse than they actually were. That's why I don't always like using stats. You need to look at the circumstances to understand the meaning.

That is just your opinion. So its not really misleading. The NFL uses yardage to rank defense for a reason.

Where does the NFL use yardage as the end all be all to rank an offense/defense?

There's 100s of sources that rank offenses/defenses in 100s of different ways…not just a static yards allowed stat. End of the day not allowing a team to score points matters much more than how many yards they have. You don't win a game because you have more yards. There's so much nuance that goes into yards per game (game flow/garbage time).

also the same people pointing out yards per game are the same folks that poo poo when Kyle puts up a ton of yards a game and they don't win that game. Hmmm.

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Yardage is a more organic predictor of wins, and therefore a better measure. 8th in yards allowed, down from 1st in 2022.

According to who lol? Last I checked allowing the 4th fewest points a game is good. Not letting teams score points > yardage

So you're also saying Kyle's offense is one of if not the best in the league consistently because of yardage?

According to data science and predictive analytics.

it was a s**tty hire, just accept it.

Quit making up s**t because you're butthurt over Kyle Shanahan still being the HC.

I'm not sticking up for Wilks, but you're coming off as if we had some bottom tier D and it was some garbage hire, which in fact it wasn't…regardless of whatever s**t you keep trying to toss against the wall.

IMO, the Wilks experience was a wake up call.

KS hit 2 home runs w/Saleh and Demarco!

I feel they're going to take their time and weigh all their options.

An option not often mentioned is, if successful how long will their new DC stay. Will we have to go through the same process again in a year?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Gemini10:
It doesn't take two weeks to promote an internal guy. They had these guys last year, interviewed some of them last cycle before they went with Wilks. It should be a swift, quick decision if they actually had confidence in one of these guys. Instead they're dragging their feet with a hire. Only makes sense if they're waiting for a

Or they could be waiting until they complete the staff as a whole before making any announcements. In addition to DC there's half a dozen other assistants that they need to replace.

People are acting like there's some hard deadline for them to have this done by. I'm guessing that when they do announce it that we'll hear about several new additions to the staff along with a new DC.

don't you know, it's because Kyle sucks and doesn't know how to hire coaches.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
IMO, the Wilks experience was a wake up call.

KS hit 2 home runs w/Saleh and Demarco!

I feel they're going to take their time and weigh all their options.

An option not often mentioned is, if successful how long will their new DC stay. Will we have to go through the same process again in a year?

I don't even think the wilks hire was some epic failure. We had a legit defense as always. Lead the league in INTs and our secondary improved overall. 4th in points allowed.

By Kyle's standards (and fans) it wasn't good enough and a change had to be made….not just because of play on the field, but probably even more because of personality/philosophy.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I agree. See Jeff Garcia in 2000 when he passed for 4,000 yards. He earned those yards because the 9ers often played catch up in 2000, coming outta that season with a 6-10 record. Notice the difference when the 9ers made the playoffs in 2001?

Bro Nick Mullens was the yardage king here! Next Mahomes apparently

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
IMO, the Wilks experience was a wake up call.

KS hit 2 home runs w/Saleh and Demarco!

I feel they're going to take their time and weigh all their options.

An option not often mentioned is, if successful how long will their new DC stay. Will we have to go through the same process again in a year?

I don't even think the wilks hire was some epic failure. We had a legit defense as always. Lead the league in INTs and our secondary improved overall. 4th in points allowed.

By Kyle's standards (and fans) it wasn't good enough and a change had to be made….not just because of play on the field, but probably even more because of personality/philosophy.

My feeling on Wilkes is that we were good in spite of him. And that's because we have talent everywhere. There's no reason this defense shouldn't be more dominant, especially in situational football, like 3rd downs. Wilke's scheme seemed quite predictable, which did this d zero favors. To me, Wilkes was mediocre, which is probably not the standard Kyle wants in his staff.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Gemini10:
It doesn't take two weeks to promote an internal guy. They had these guys last year, interviewed some of them last cycle before they went with Wilks. It should be a swift, quick decision if they actually had confidence in one of these guys. Instead they're dragging their feet with a hire. Only makes sense if they're waiting for a guy externally.

It doesn't matter what you want it to be…they could have a handshake in place with an internal coach and not making it official until everyone is done with vacations. John could "officially" say who it is on Tuesday (speaking at combine) all the same.

my god people relax….kyle has been one of the best coaches at hiring/promoting/developing in the league at the coaching position. Everyone got all upset with Wilks, like he didn't just help coach a top 5 D this yr

He didn't? 8th isn't top 5

4th in points allowed.

Yardage is a more organic predictor of wins, and therefore a better measure. 8th in yards allowed, down from 1st in 2022.

Even yardage allowed can be misleading. When your team is leading late in games it's common for the defense to relax a little and give up a long play or allow a long drive. Those yards can make things look worse than they actually were. That's why I don't always like using stats. You need to look at the circumstances to understand the meaning.

That is just your opinion. So its not really misleading. The NFL uses yardage to rank defense for a reason.

Where does the NFL use yardage as the end all be all to rank an offense/defense?

There's 100s of sources that rank offenses/defenses in 100s of different ways…not just a static yards allowed stat. End of the day not allowing a team to score points matters much more than how many yards they have. You don't win a game because you have more yards. There's so much nuance that goes into yards per game (game flow/garbage time).

also the same people pointing out yards per game are the same folks that poo poo when Kyle puts up a ton of yards a game and they don't win that game. Hmmm.

Not me. The Niners offense was the best in the nfl last year. The dolphins offense was artificially boosted by one game with over 700 yards, a total anomaly.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Yardage is a more organic predictor of wins, and therefore a better measure. 8th in yards allowed, down from 1st in 2022.

According to who lol? Last I checked allowing the 4th fewest points a game is good. Not letting teams score points > yardage

So you're also saying Kyle's offense is one of if not the best in the league consistently because of yardage?

According to data science and predictive analytics.

it was a s**tty hire, just accept it.

Quit making up s**t because you're butthurt over Kyle Shanahan still being the HC.

I'm not sticking up for Wilks, but you're coming off as if we had some bottom tier D and it was some garbage hire, which in fact it wasn't…regardless of whatever s**t you keep trying to toss against the wall.

Lmfao dude you're confusing me with someone else. Chill.

Originally posted by Gemini10:
It doesn't take two weeks to promote an internal guy. They had these guys last year, interviewed some of them last cycle before they went with Wilks. It should be a swift, quick decision if they actually had confidence in one of these guys. Instead they're dragging their feet with a hire. Only makes sense if they're waiting for a guy externally.

they could have made their decision last week and are just being patient to announce on their own terms. Unless you think the 49ers are like, "We better get the news out so we don't upset the webzone forum posters!!!"

There is no reason for them to rush to announce the hire.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
IMO, the Wilks experience was a wake up call.

KS hit 2 home runs w/Saleh and Demarco!

I feel they're going to take their time and weigh all their options.

An option not often mentioned is, if successful how long will their new DC stay. Will we have to go through the same process again in a year?

I don't even think the wilks hire was some epic failure. We had a legit defense as always. Lead the league in INTs and our secondary improved overall. 4th in points allowed.

By Kyle's standards (and fans) it wasn't good enough and a change had to be made….not just because of play on the field, but probably even more because of personality/philosophy.

My feeling on Wilkes is that we were good in spite of him. And that's because we have talent everywhere. There's no reason this defense shouldn't be more dominant, especially in situational football, like 3rd downs. Wilke's scheme seemed quite predictable, which did this d zero favors. To me, Wilkes was mediocre, which is probably not the standard Kyle wants in his staff.

The secondary definitely responded to Wilks, but the front seven seemed to regress. With the players and resources invested in those groups, we can't have that.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
IMO, the Wilks experience was a wake up call.

KS hit 2 home runs w/Saleh and Demarco!

I feel they're going to take their time and weigh all their options.

An option not often mentioned is, if successful how long will their new DC stay. Will we have to go through the same process again in a year?

I don't even think the wilks hire was some epic failure. We had a legit defense as always. Lead the league in INTs and our secondary improved overall. 4th in points allowed.

By Kyle's standards (and fans) it wasn't good enough and a change had to be made….not just because of play on the field, but probably even more because of personality/philosophy.

My feeling on Wilkes is that we were good in spite of him. And that's because we have talent everywhere. There's no reason this defense shouldn't be more dominant, especially in situational football, like 3rd downs. Wilke's scheme seemed quite predictable, which did this d zero favors. To me, Wilkes was mediocre, which is probably not the standard Kyle wants in his staff.

Agree Chance!

Wilks wasn't terrible - just mediocre.

The talent made the difference not his coaching.

Next guy needs to be better.