49ers sign DE Yetur Gross-Matos

Originally posted by NCommand:
I haven't looked at the cut-FA DT market but there should be a plethora of DT's we could get for cheap. I doubt they are even close to being done. They usually carry 10+ anyhow.

NC, you really should ask me before you use that word

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like "good enough."

I didn't think Jimmy was a FQB. The FO did, after a handful of off script games and none within the actual system.

But it became very obvious esp. after the injury, Jimmy, like any classic drop back passer, needed a tier 1 OL just to have a shot. Not rocket science.

LOL. Like I said, Orlando Brown at RT would have moved the needle far more than Hargrave would move the DL.

But ShanaLynch keep trying to win a Superbowl through the DL. A proven losing formula.

Tier 1 QB (HOF/MVP-level) + Tier 1 OL (no lower than high tier 2) is the real proven formula.

But keep towing that company line.

You act like having the the best oline is the only formula to win. Funny how the 2 teams with the best offensive lines got beat by guess who? The 49ers. The Eagles and Lions oline were ranked #1 and #2 last year. Did they go to the Super Bowl?

Oline is important but its not the only factor. You invest in your oline then you will need to take away somewhere else. It's a fine line teams have to tote. We are in day 1 of free agency. Lets wait and see how the offseason goes before we make thread after thread after thread about the oline. If we dont address oline this offseason i'll jump on onboard your wagon.

Seems agile for such a big guy. All the highlights I see are him being very slippery but thats all I see is swim moves

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like "good enough."

I didn't think Jimmy was a FQB. The FO did, after a handful of off script games and none within the actual system.

But it became very obvious esp. after the injury, Jimmy, like any classic drop back passer, needed a tier 1 OL just to have a shot. Not rocket science.

LOL. Like I said, Orlando Brown at RT would have moved the needle far more than Hargrave would move the DL.

But ShanaLynch keep trying to win a Superbowl through the DL. A proven losing formula.

Tier 1 QB (HOF/MVP-level) + Tier 1 OL (no lower than high tier 2) is the real proven formula.

But keep towing that company line.

You act like having the the best oline is the only formula to win. Funny how the 2 teams with the best offensive lines got beat by guess who? The 49ers. The Eagles and Lions oline were ranked #1 and #2 last year. Did they go to the Super Bowl?

Oline is important but its not the only factor. You invest in your oline then you will need to take away somewhere else. It's a fine line teams have to tote. We are in day 1 of free agency. Lets wait and see how the offseason goes before we make thread after thread after thread about the oline. If we dont address oline this offseason i'll jump on onboard your wagon.

That's why you need both. It's NOT just one. That's the critical point you keep missing. We've seen tier 1 QB's falter badly without it. And tier 1 QB's who can't transcend it. On the flip side (Lions), it helped Goff to his best year and probably s/h been in the Superbowl (still would have lost b/c he's not tier 1).

Now tell me how building through the DL has panned out the past 8 years and how that's a more proven formula.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Nice retort.

Oh ya let me waste my time debating with a constant liar and someone who moves the goal posts more than a football field crew. I'm good, thanks though

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I haven't looked at the cut-FA DT market but there should be a plethora of DT's we could get for cheap. I doubt they are even close to being done. They usually carry 10+ anyhow.

NC, you really should ask me before you use that word

Bwahahaha!!!

My bad.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Nice retort.

Oh ya let me waste my time debating with a constant liar and someone who moves the goal posts more than a football field crew. I'm good, thanks though

Oh yes, I've been so inconsistent on our need to prioritize the OL more over the past 7 years. I've been so far off on that "lie." LOL

But keep towing those infallible FO moves.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like "good enough."

I didn't think Jimmy was a FQB. The FO did, after a handful of off script games and none within the actual system.

But it became very obvious esp. after the injury, Jimmy, like any classic drop back passer, needed a tier 1 OL just to have a shot. Not rocket science.

LOL. Like I said, Orlando Brown at RT would have moved the needle far more than Hargrave would move the DL.

But ShanaLynch keep trying to win a Superbowl through the DL. A proven losing formula.

Tier 1 QB (HOF/MVP-level) + Tier 1 OL (no lower than high tier 2) is the real proven formula.

But keep towing that company line.

Arguably would have #6 if this deal was done. The OL has been woefully ignored and it has bit the team in the ass in the only game that matters, twice. We'll see what happens in the draft, I'm not holding my breath. But I'm preaching to the choir.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Arguably would have #6 if this deal was done. The OL has been woefully ignored and it has bit the team in the ass in the only game that matters, twice. We'll see what happens in the draft, I'm not holding my breath. But I'm preaching to the choir.

49ers beat the Chiefs if CMC doesn't fumble on that first drive and Trent doesn't get penalized TWICE on the next drive. The difference in a blowout to a loss in OT. Are you going to criticize two of the best players in the entire league?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I haven't looked at the cut-FA DT market but there should be a plethora of DT's we could get for cheap. I doubt they are even close to being done. They usually carry 10+ anyhow.

NC, you really should ask me before you use that word

Bwahahaha!!!

My bad.

We do need a plethora of piñatas (good O Lineman that can actually pass block). That has got to start in the draft

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like "good enough."

I didn't think Jimmy was a FQB. The FO did, after a handful of off script games and none within the actual system.

But it became very obvious esp. after the injury, Jimmy, like any classic drop back passer, needed a tier 1 OL just to have a shot. Not rocket science.

LOL. Like I said, Orlando Brown at RT would have moved the needle far more than Hargrave would move the DL.

But ShanaLynch keep trying to win a Superbowl through the DL. A proven losing formula.

Tier 1 QB (HOF/MVP-level) + Tier 1 OL (no lower than high tier 2) is the real proven formula.

But keep towing that company line.

We can discuss whether or not certain moves would've made a difference, especially in a Super Bowl that came down to OT, but to say winning through the DL is a "proven losing formula" is a hyperbolic statement.

The DL is how basically every team except the Patriots have recently won a Super Bowl. Even Chris Jones pushed the Chiefs over the hump despite Mahomes getting 100% of the credit. Aaron Donald pushed the Rams over the edge. The Bucs' DL feasted on Mahomes. Even in an offensive-heavy game, Brandon Graham saved the day for the Eagles. Von Miller won a Super Bowl all by himself.

The DL is not a "proven losing formula." It might not be the BEST formula, certainly debatable, but it's not proven losing.

It's like a lot of you don't pay attention to your own squad. These dudes never have and never will dip there toes in the FA o line market. Some cheap depth pieces is about it. They will make a trade. They will pay a stud like TW but their strategy for better or worse is to spend later round draft resources on the o line. Don't be surprised when they draft and DT or another DE in the first round then got o line after that. It's what they do. s**t they might draft a random rb before an olineman.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Arguably would have #6 if this deal was done. The OL has been woefully ignored and it has bit the team in the ass in the only game that matters, twice. We'll see what happens in the draft, I'm not holding my breath. But I'm preaching to the choir.

49ers beat the Chiefs if CMC doesn't fumble on that first drive and Trent doesn't get penalized TWICE on the next drive. The difference in a blowout to a loss in OT. Are you going to criticize two of the best players in the entire league?

It's a blowout if we had a tier 1 OL. 50% pressure rate again. OL running the wrong way into each other like it was pre season. Blowing assignments. Unit PP fails. Horrendous false start penalties.

Brock kept us in it (tier 1 QB).

No question.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like "good enough."

I didn't think Jimmy was a FQB. The FO did, after a handful of off script games and none within the actual system.

But it became very obvious esp. after the injury, Jimmy, like any classic drop back passer, needed a tier 1 OL just to have a shot. Not rocket science.

LOL. Like I said, Orlando Brown at RT would have moved the needle far more than Hargrave would move the DL.

But ShanaLynch keep trying to win a Superbowl through the DL. A proven losing formula.

Tier 1 QB (HOF/MVP-level) + Tier 1 OL (no lower than high tier 2) is the real proven formula.

But keep towing that company line.

You act like having the the best oline is the only formula to win. Funny how the 2 teams with the best offensive lines got beat by guess who? The 49ers. The Eagles and Lions oline were ranked #1 and #2 last year. Did they go to the Super Bowl?

Oline is important but its not the only factor. You invest in your oline then you will need to take away somewhere else. It's a fine line teams have to tote. We are in day 1 of free agency. Lets wait and see how the offseason goes before we make thread after thread after thread about the oline. If we dont address oline this offseason i'll jump on onboard your wagon.

That's why you need both. It's NOT just one. That's the critical point you keep missing. We've seen tier 1 QB's falter badly without it. And tier 1 QB's who can't transcend it. On the flip side (Lions), it helped Goff to his best year and probably s/h been in the Superbowl (still would have lost b/c he's not tier 1).

Now tell me how building through the DL has panned out the past 8 years and how that's a more proven formula.

Bro if they draft less than 3 linemen with their first 6 picks I'm with you. Until then let's be happy with what are two very good moves. We are absolutely better at edge now.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like "good enough."

I didn't think Jimmy was a FQB. The FO did, after a handful of off script games and none within the actual system.

But it became very obvious esp. after the injury, Jimmy, like any classic drop back passer, needed a tier 1 OL just to have a shot. Not rocket science.

LOL. Like I said, Orlando Brown at RT would have moved the needle far more than Hargrave would move the DL.

But ShanaLynch keep trying to win a Superbowl through the DL. A proven losing formula.

Tier 1 QB (HOF/MVP-level) + Tier 1 OL (no lower than high tier 2) is the real proven formula.

But keep towing that company line.

We can discuss whether or not certain moves would've made a difference, especially in a Super Bowl that came down to OT, but to say winning through the DL is a "proven losing formula" is a hyperbolic statement.

The DL is how basically every team except the Patriots have recently won a Super Bowl. Even Chris Jones pushed the Chiefs over the hump despite Mahomes getting 100% of the credit. Aaron Donald pushed the Rams over the edge. The Bucs' DL feasted on Mahomes. Even in an offensive-heavy game, Brandon Graham saved the day for the Eagles. Von Miller won a Super Bowl all by himself.

The DL is not a "proven losing formula." It might not be the BEST formula, certainly debatable, but it's not proven losing.

It's been a proven loser for us. Sure, if Bosa was clutch and ended games for us at the most crucial moments, OK. But overall, that's what I mean. The defense after 7 years still can't close out wins and fail miserably when our offense gets up 10 points.

As to the bold, agree to disagree there. That's not minimizing the importance of having a quality DL though.