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Mar 12, 2024 at 2:09 PM

49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jordan Elliot just finished his 4th year and hasn't broken the annual top 100 DL (in PFF) yet.
2020: 51.3 (105th)
2021: 41.6 (101st)
2022: 40.4 (118th)
2023: 47.3 (112th)
— Aaron Harvey (@harvnlenny) March 12, 2024

I feel like that this FA period will either make them look like geniuses or fools who overpaid for subpar players. Elliott is another bust like Gross-Matos.

That's the hope on both, just hook em up with our culture and hope the results are better.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:09 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 25213646:
I completely agree with you. Especially because the draft is full of back of rotation DT. Additionally we need spend some resources on offensive line. I just don't understand why they keep ignoring it!!

What offensive line FA are you spending money on? The cupboard is bare. Unless you want to massively overspend on a OG, which is foolish given the draft prospects out there.

Browns had a f**king good D and he was part of it. He's better than Kinlaw

That's a low bar lol

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:10 PM

#48

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Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I don't understand these low tier players that get a good chunk of cash.

Example: Elliot 5mil/yr, Odom 5 mil, Gross-Matos 9 mil.
19 mil there where you could actually get a stud

It's called a rotation and not just 2 good pass rushers. We need depth, especially if we have injuries and to try and keep our guys fresh for the playoffs.

this guy seems like a good run blocker too, which we desperately need.

Fill in the depth and rotation with draft picks. Those contracts and salaries are way cheaper.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:11 PM

#49

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Elliott has always had great hand use and that is how he's made his living for the most part, very violent and powerful hands but other parts of his game leave a lot to be desired. He's someone that in college at least had a tendency to wear out fast and needed to be subbed often.

#Mizzou DT Jordan Elliott (#1) has been rising up draft boards over the last few weeks and now I see why.

He has extremely fast and powerful hands making him a nightmare to block in the trenches. For someone his size, he moves very well

Should the #Packers look at him on Day 2? pic.twitter.com/fQBwhwz37r
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) March 11, 2020

MO DT Jordan Elliott holds the LOS well and has VG short-area quickness to work well in the box-offering pressure vs pass and using his hands to disengage when singled up vs the run. #SnapScout pic.twitter.com/magH83OyJl
— Chad Reuter (@chad_reuter) December 26, 2019

Jordan Elliott - DT, Missouri.

Took me a while to get used to but then I watched him more closely and saw how much of a technician he is.

I did some slo mo replays to get a better look as well.

Main trait is his tremendous use of hands. #bengals #NewZou pic.twitter.com/dgbe5or8TE
— Sam Ainger (@sam_ainger) February 25, 2020

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:12 PM

#50

bmvanthiel
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jordan Elliot just finished his 4th year and hasn't broken the annual top 100 DL (in PFF) yet.
2020: 51.3 (105th)
2021: 41.6 (101st)
2022: 40.4 (118th)
2023: 47.3 (112th)
— Aaron Harvey (@harvnlenny) March 12, 2024

I feel like that this FA period will either make them look like geniuses or fools who overpaid for subpar players. Elliott is another bust like Gross-Matos.

No matter what you think of PFF, seeing those ratings has got to be a little concerning. That is absolutely terrible

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:13 PM

#51

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Can't wait for Lombardi's positive spin on this signing.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:13 PM

#52

Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
No matter what you think of PFF, seeing those ratings has got to be a little concerning. That is absolutely terrible

Dont get me wrong, he's very talented but so far it hasn't come through in the NFL. Maybe he'll turn out to be a late developer.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:14 PM

#53

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jordan Elliot just finished his 4th year and hasn't broken the annual top 100 DL (in PFF) yet.
2020: 51.3 (105th)
2021: 41.6 (101st)
2022: 40.4 (118th)
2023: 47.3 (112th)
— Aaron Harvey (@harvnlenny) March 12, 2024

I feel like that this FA period will either make them look like geniuses or fools who overpaid for subpar players. Elliott is another bust like Gross-Matos.

PFF's rankings are so f**king overrated, dude is a run stuffer, he was a starter on an elite Browns defense, stud DL there, better than Kinlaw. Did you expect them to give Wilkins $27.5M a yr, or give Hunt $20M a yr as a f**king Guard, that's LT money.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:15 PM

#54

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Seems like he's just a random DT who the Browns didn't care to lose. Hopefully our team can bring the best out of him but 2y/10M seems like a lot for him.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:15 PM

#55

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This seems like a "I'm bored today and need to do something" signing.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:17 PM

#56

AB81Rules
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Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I don't understand these low tier players that get a good chunk of cash.

Example: Elliot 5mil/yr, Odom 5 mil, Gross-Matos 9 mil.
19 mil there where you could actually get a stud

It's called a rotation and not just 2 good pass rushers. We need depth, especially if we have injuries and to try and keep our guys fresh for the playoffs.

this guy seems like a good run blocker too, which we desperately need.

Fill in the depth and rotation with draft picks. Those contracts and salaries are way cheaper.

You realize that we have no real idea what the deals look like, also Odum is a ST Stud, and what Stud could we get for $19M a yr, Bryce Huff? Don't say Danielle Hunter, he wants apparently $30M a yr, Burns got $30M a yr, Hunt $20M a yr, Wilkins $27.5M a yr, did you expect them to sign a big name just cause the fanbase whines every year about them not signing big names, these teams will regret these deals, don't overpay for the sake of f**king overpaying.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:18 PM

#57

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Originally posted by JTB1974:
This seems like a "I'm bored today and need to do something" signing.

Lynch is big on having a deep DL. He'll basically take anyone.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:19 PM

#58

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Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jordan Elliot just finished his 4th year and hasn't broken the annual top 100 DL (in PFF) yet.
2020: 51.3 (105th)
2021: 41.6 (101st)
2022: 40.4 (118th)
2023: 47.3 (112th)
— Aaron Harvey (@harvnlenny) March 12, 2024

I feel like that this FA period will either make them look like geniuses or fools who overpaid for subpar players. Elliott is another bust like Gross-Matos.

PFF's rankings are so f**king overrated, dude is a run stuffer, he was a starter on an elite Browns defense, stud DL there, better than Kinlaw. Did you expect them to give Wilkins $27.5M a yr, or give Hunt $20M a yr as a f**king Guard, that's LT money.

stud DL is a bit rich. hardly a starter, he had 700 snaps year 3, and 444 in his walk year. He's on the field 42%. Starter in name only. They don't have DTs in CLE so this was a young guy given a chance to nail down a role. He didn't do much with that chance tbh. On the field about the same as Maurice Hurst.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:22 PM

#59

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Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I don't understand these low tier players that get a good chunk of cash.

Example: Elliot 5mil/yr, Odom 5 mil, Gross-Matos 9 mil.
19 mil there where you could actually get a stud

Two reasons. 1) These amounts are "up to $xM" if performance incentives are achieved like starts, production, etc and 2) the NFL salary cap has doubled in the last 10 years ('14 $133M vs '24 $255M) so you are seeing an inflation factor on contracts across high, medium, and low priced deals.

People can just add up "worth up too" contract numbers lol…it's about the GTD cash, not the fluff. For examples Burns got $87.5M GTD. Not a chance in hell all of our FA come anywhere close to that number.

Mar 12, 2024 at 2:22 PM

#60

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Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Jordan Elliot just finished his 4th year and hasn't broken the annual top 100 DL (in PFF) yet.
2020: 51.3 (105th)
2021: 41.6 (101st)
2022: 40.4 (118th)
2023: 47.3 (112th)
— Aaron Harvey (@harvnlenny) March 12, 2024

I feel like that this FA period will either make them look like geniuses or fools who overpaid for subpar players. Elliott is another bust like Gross-Matos.

No matter what you think of PFF, seeing those ratings has got to be a little concerning. That is absolutely terrible

He got worse as his career progressed. Even Kinlaw was starting to get better. Where does Kinlaw rank?