49ers sign QB Josh Dobbs

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
See, now we're not being adult about this. Let me refine the question: given the tape over the last 2 seasons, who do YOU think would have a better chance at being picked up for QB2 on another team, Dobbs or Allen?

This is not complicated!

My idea of a solid backup QB is someone who can seamlessly transition into the role of starter and be expected to execute the basic structure of the offense. I'm not looking for splashy athletic plays that occasionally yield solid results but can't be planned around without altering the offense in the middle of a season.

Dobbs makes some sense as a backup to players like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts. I can easily see BA being a better option in systems similar to ours.

That said, they both aren't good and like nearly every other team we'll be in big trouble if we lose our starter for significant time.

See, this brings me back to wondering why was Dobbs brought in in the first place. If Dobbs don't fit the system, and Shanny "trusts" Allen more due to his tenure in the system why not just let the man go so he can be at least QB2 on another team. I challenge anyone to convince me that Dobbs wouldn't land a QB2 roll much faster than Allen would on the open market. In fact, the 49ers are the only team that Allen would be QB2 on. Over the past few years Allen has shown the league absolutely nothing that would push a team to pick him up from our PS. Unless Shanny protects Dobbs he's not lasting on the PS, which is why he isn't.

Again, if I were Dobbs, given that he clearly outplayed Allen, I'd demand to be released because Doobs really never had an opportunity at QB2. Doobs is QB3 not due to his play, but due to Shanny's comfort. And THAT being the case Shanny should have never bothered even signing Dobbs in the first place. Since comfort is what won out then he should have made Tanner Mordecai QB3 and been done with it. Putting Dobbs at QB3 essentially wastes a year of Doobs career so Shanny can sooth his comfort, a career that's far more promising that Allen's. Dobbs should demand to be released.

why are you being captain Save-A-Dobbs? he chose to sign here. there's no way he was promised QB2 when he did. he's getting paid the same as if he were named QB2.

you seem to projecting when you argue that he should be a squeaky wheel and ask for his release. that wouldnt be a good look.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
See, this brings me back to wondering why was Dobbs brought in in the first place. If Dobbs don't fit the system, and Shanny "trusts" Allen more due to his tenure in the system why not just let the man go so he can be at least QB2 on another team. I challenge anyone to convince me that Dobbs wouldn't land a QB2 roll much faster than Allen would on the open market. In fact, the 49ers are the only team that Allen would be QB2 on. Over the past few years Allen has shown the league absolutely nothing that would push a team to pick him up from our PS. Unless Shanny protects Dobbs he's not lasting on the PS, which is why he isn't.

Again, if I were Dobbs, given that he clearly outplayed Allen, I'd demand to be released because Doobs really never had an opportunity at QB2. Doobs is QB3 not due to his play, but due to Shanny's comfort. And THAT being the case Shanny should have never bothered even signing Dobbs in the first place. Since comfort is what won out then he should have made Tanner Mordecai QB3 and been done with it. Putting Dobbs at QB3 essentially wastes a year of Doobs career so Shanny can sooth his comfort, a career that's far more promising that Allen's. Dobbs should demand to be released.

QB3 demanding to be released! Um, that doesn't happen very often! I don't think that either Dobbs or Allen are good enough to throw their weight around like that. To walk out on a team paying your salary, and hope that another team might pick you up at this stage of the preseason, not too bright. You are sitting there hoping for an injury at the position.

By the way, teams aren't particularly interested in players careers unless they stay with the team.

I don't think that's throwing his weight around. And he don't have to make his request public. Dobbs has went to winning games as a starting QB to, as you've pointed out, waiting around for an injury to get on the field due not to his play, but due to Shanny's comfort. You're absolutely right, teams aren't particularly interested in players careers. But the player is. This is not good for Dobbs career (again, which is much more promising than Allen's). Dobbs cannot afford a year of obscurity. That hurts his career.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
See, now we're not being adult about this. Let me refine the question: given the tape over the last 2 seasons, who do YOU think would have a better chance at being picked up for QB2 on another team, Dobbs or Allen?

This is not complicated!

My idea of a solid backup QB is someone who can seamlessly transition into the role of starter and be expected to execute the basic structure of the offense. I'm not looking for splashy athletic plays that occasionally yield solid results but can't be planned around without altering the offense in the middle of a season.

Dobbs makes some sense as a backup to players like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts. I can easily see BA being a better option in systems similar to ours.

That said, they both aren't good and like nearly every other team we'll be in big trouble if we lose our starter for significant time.

See, this brings me back to wondering why was Dobbs brought in in the first place. If Dobbs don't fit the system, and Shanny "trusts" Allen more due to his tenure in the system why not just let the man go so he can be at least QB2 on another team. I challenge anyone to convince me that Dobbs wouldn't land a QB2 roll much faster than Allen would on the open market. In fact, the 49ers are the only team that Allen would be QB2 on. Over the past few years Allen has shown the league absolutely nothing that would push a team to pick him up from our PS. Unless Shanny protects Dobbs he's not lasting on the PS, which is why he isn't.

Again, if I were Dobbs, given that he clearly outplayed Allen, I'd demand to be released because Doobs really never had an opportunity at QB2. Doobs is QB3 not due to his play, but due to Shanny's comfort. And THAT being the case Shanny should have never bothered even signing Dobbs in the first place. Since comfort is what won out then he should have made Tanner Mordecai QB3 and been done with it. Putting Dobbs at QB3 essentially wastes a year of Doobs career so Shanny can sooth his comfort, a career that's far more promising that Allen's. Dobbs should demand to be released.

why are you being captain Save-A-Dobbs? he chose to sign here. there's no way he was promised QB2 when he did. he's getting paid the same as if he were named QB2.

you seem to projecting when you argue that he should be a squeaky wheel and ask for his release. that wouldnt be a good look.

"captain Save-A-Dobbs" Seriously? Anyway . . .

True. But I'm sure he didn't expect to be QB 3 even though he's outplayed Allen for QB2. I'm sure he expected his play, not Shanny's comfort, to be the determining factor.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
"captain Save-A-Dobbs" Seriously? Anyway . . .

True. But I'm sure he didn't expect to be QB 3 even though he's outplayed Allen for QB2. I'm sure he expected his play, not Shanny's comfort, to be the determining factor.

Shanahan is the HC. it's his offense. of course his "comfort" is paramount in the decision. Dobbs is smart enough to understand this. lol.

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by Zachary:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by JMC52:
Get ready to learn GB buddy

Not helping GB unless they give a 2nd...and maybe something late round as well. Tbh, I would just keep Dobbs. If Purdy gets hurt we will need him once Brandon Allen shows he's a pumpkin.

a 2nd lol

He's obviously not worth a 2nd in a vacuum but if they're that desperate SF shouldn't take a day 3 pick from a rival for a guy that could hold their season afloat.

Lots of assumptions in this thread about what Shanahan's reasons are. Maybe he just thinks Allen, in this particular moment of time, runs his offense slightly better than Dobbs.

Crazy thought, I know, because it must be his comfort, his stupidity, or his racial prejudice.

Originally posted by captveg:
Lots of assumptions in this thread about what Shanahan's reasons are. Maybe he just thinks Allen, in this particular moment of time, runs his offense slightly better than Dobbs.

Crazy thought, I know, because it must be his comfort, his stupidity, or his racial prejudice.

WHAT!!!

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by captveg:
Lots of assumptions in this thread about what Shanahan's reasons are. Maybe he just thinks Allen, in this particular moment of time, runs his offense slightly better than Dobbs.

Crazy thought, I know, because it must be his comfort, his stupidity, or his racial prejudice.

WHAT!!!

See a few pages ago where it was implied Shanahan didn't give Dobbs QB2 because he doesn't like minority QBs.

Some also seem to claim that Shanahan isn't smart enough to clearly see Dobbs is better than Allen. (I can see how that could read as saying Dobbs' stupidity; I was not saying that, but rather that some are saying the reason for Dobbs being QB3 is because of Shanahan's stupidity).

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
"captain Save-A-Dobbs" Seriously? Anyway . . .

True. But I'm sure he didn't expect to be QB 3 even though he's outplayed Allen for QB2. I'm sure he expected his play, not Shanny's comfort, to be the determining factor.

Shanahan is the HC. it's his offense. of course his "comfort" is paramount in the decision. Dobbs is smart enough to understand this. lol.

I am in no way denying this. As the HC Shanny has all the right to go with his comfort. My issue is, if his comfort - not play - would be the determining factor then signing Dobbs (or anyone else at the QB) was just a waste of a year of his career. If his comfort was gonna win out no matter how good a FA QB looked why even bother bringing in a FA QB in the first place?

Please understand that I do trust Shanny. I'm not banging on Shanny about this. He's doing what he feels is best for the team. I'm looking at this from the players perspective. This does not help Dobbs at all. Over the past few years Dobbs has put on far better tape than Allen, this year's preseason included. So if I'm Dobbs I'm pissed, especially given that he outplayed Allen. He has to sit in obscurity waiting on an injury to get on the field even though he better than the guy in front of him. For the team this is great. Your emergency QB has won games as a starter. But for Dobbs this is horrible, and if I'm him I'm wanting no part of this.

If Allen didn't play well in preseason and camp, Dobbs woulda been the #2. I think this concept is very difficult for some fans to understand.

All backup QBs are "wasting" their career. There's only 32 starting jobs and there's ~100 QBs every year if you count practice squads.

And again, this idea that Shanahan's comfort is the deciding factor is simply forum speculation. There's zero actual insight to suggest that was even the case.

Shanny is racist and likes comfort food?

I have no idea the reasoning behind the qb ranking and idc for the most part. I am just ready for some dang football.

Originally posted by Montana:
Shanny is racist and likes comfort food?

I have no idea the reasoning behind the qb ranking and idc for the most part. I am just ready for some dang football.

How you gonna wreck my diet like that Montana??

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
See, now we're not being adult about this. Let me refine the question: given the tape over the last 2 seasons, who do YOU think would have a better chance at being picked up for QB2 on another team, Dobbs or Allen?

This is not complicated!

My idea of a solid backup QB is someone who can seamlessly transition into the role of starter and be expected to execute the basic structure of the offense. I'm not looking for splashy athletic plays that occasionally yield solid results but can't be planned around without altering the offense in the middle of a season.

Dobbs makes some sense as a backup to players like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts. I can easily see BA being a better option in systems similar to ours.

That said, they both aren't good and like nearly every other team we'll be in big trouble if we lose our starter for significant time.

See, this brings me back to wondering why was Dobbs brought in in the first place. If Dobbs don't fit the system, and Shanny "trusts" Allen more due to his tenure in the system why not just let the man go so he can be at least QB2 on another team. I challenge anyone to convince me that Dobbs wouldn't land a QB2 roll much faster than Allen would on the open market. In fact, the 49ers are the only team that Allen would be QB2 on. Over the past few years Allen has shown the league absolutely nothing that would push a team to pick him up from our PS. Unless Shanny protects Dobbs he's not lasting on the PS, which is why he isn't.

Again, if I were Dobbs, given that he clearly outplayed Allen, I'd demand to be released because Doobs really never had an opportunity at QB2. Doobs is QB3 not due to his play, but due to Shanny's comfort. And THAT being the case Shanny should have never bothered even signing Dobbs in the first place. Since comfort is what won out then he should have made Tanner Mordecai QB3 and been done with it. Putting Dobbs at QB3 essentially wastes a year of Doobs career so Shanny can sooth his comfort, a career that's far more promising that Allen's. Dobbs should demand to be released.

If I'm Dobbs, I stick around for the magic rub of this team. A year in this system and he should smoke Allen. Win QB2 next year, then sign for 10 million or more as a starter for a team without a QB1, a la Sam Darnold.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
See, now we're not being adult about this. Let me refine the question: given the tape over the last 2 seasons, who do YOU think would have a better chance at being picked up for QB2 on another team, Dobbs or Allen?

This is not complicated!

My idea of a solid backup QB is someone who can seamlessly transition into the role of starter and be expected to execute the basic structure of the offense. I'm not looking for splashy athletic plays that occasionally yield solid results but can't be planned around without altering the offense in the middle of a season.

Dobbs makes some sense as a backup to players like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts. I can easily see BA being a better option in systems similar to ours.

That said, they both aren't good and like nearly every other team we'll be in big trouble if we lose our starter for significant time.

See, this brings me back to wondering why was Dobbs brought in in the first place. If Dobbs don't fit the system, and Shanny "trusts" Allen more due to his tenure in the system why not just let the man go so he can be at least QB2 on another team. I challenge anyone to convince me that Dobbs wouldn't land a QB2 roll much faster than Allen would on the open market. In fact, the 49ers are the only team that Allen would be QB2 on. Over the past few years Allen has shown the league absolutely nothing that would push a team to pick him up from our PS. Unless Shanny protects Dobbs he's not lasting on the PS, which is why he isn't.

Again, if I were Dobbs, given that he clearly outplayed Allen, I'd demand to be released because Doobs really never had an opportunity at QB2. Doobs is QB3 not due to his play, but due to Shanny's comfort. And THAT being the case Shanny should have never bothered even signing Dobbs in the first place. Since comfort is what won out then he should have made Tanner Mordecai QB3 and been done with it. Putting Dobbs at QB3 essentially wastes a year of Doobs career so Shanny can sooth his comfort, a career that's far more promising that Allen's. Dobbs should demand to be released.

If I'm Dobbs, I stick around for the magic rub of this team. A year in this system and he should smoke Allen. Win QB2 next year, then sign for 10 million or more as a starter for a team without a QB1, a la Sam Darnold.

He's not waiting 2 full seasons, he gone after this season