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Originally posted by NYniner85:
You don't need elite speed to be an effective down field WR. Davante Adams is just one prime example of that. Mike Evans is catching bombs still.
BA's Y/R was elite level last yr. All these WRs in the NFL are "fast". understanding coverages, winning off the LOS and being able to catch the ball matter wayyy more than .3 secs of a 40 time.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You don't need elite speed to be an effective down field WR. Davante Adams is just one prime example of that. Mike Evans is catching bombs still.
BA's Y/R was elite level last yr. All these WRs in the NFL are "fast". understanding coverages, winning off the LOS and being able to catch the ball matter wayyy more than .3 secs of a 40 time.
AJ Jenkins just fell down somewhere.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He doesn't look much faster than that. He doesn't separate that well on deep routes. He just runs good routes on the short to medium stuff. He's good at cuts and change of direction. That's how he gets open. Not deep speed. Where he doesn't have as much as Chase. Or even Pearsall for that matter.
You don't need elite speed to be an effective down field WR. Davante Adams is just one prime example of that. Mike Evans is catching bombs still.
BA's Y/R was elite level last yr. All these WRs in the NFL are "fast". understanding coverages, winning off the LOS and being able to catch the ball matter wayyy more than .3 secs of a 40 time.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You don't need elite speed to be an effective down field WR. Davante Adams is just one prime example of that. Mike Evans is catching bombs still.
BA's Y/R was elite level last yr. All these WRs in the NFL are "fast". understanding coverages, winning off the LOS and being able to catch the ball matter wayyy more than .3 secs of a 40 time.
AJ Jenkins just fell down somewhere.
Guy looked like he was playing on skates
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You don't need elite speed to be an effective down field WR. Davante Adams is just one prime example of that. Mike Evans is catching bombs still.
BA's Y/R was elite level last yr. All these WRs in the NFL are "fast". understanding coverages, winning off the LOS and being able to catch the ball matter wayyy more than .3 secs of a 40 time.
AJ Jenkins just fell down somewhere.
Literally spit out my water.Originally posted by Silky:
I need to see Jenkins and Rashaun Woods compete in naked oil wrestling match to determine who was worse
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You don't need elite speed to be an effective down field WR. Davante Adams is just one prime example of that. Mike Evans is catching bombs still.
BA's Y/R was elite level last yr. All these WRs in the NFL are "fast". understanding coverages, winning off the LOS and being able to catch the ball matter wayyy more than .3 secs of a 40 time.
AJ Jenkins just fell down somewhere.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Great example there. Mick Evans is 6'5" 231 lbs. Gee I wonder how he is getting open against 5'9" 180 lb. CB's? I can't imagine. Could it be the 8 inches if height, longer arm reach, big hands, muscle and 50+ lbs. he out weighs them by? I'm sure it can't be that. He ran 4.53. Which is hardly slow for a guy of his size. It's excellent at that size.
Adams was largely a possession WR with Green Bay and Rodgers for a lot of his career. He would run great routes and get you the first down. 6'1" 212 lbs. is hardly small and bigger than many DB's he would go against. 4.51 isn't really that slow. Yeah they would occasionally send him deep. Some of those would even get under thrown. Back shoulder throws. He made a whole career on that. If you get the catch and way down the field it doesn't matter how. Of course he would on occasion beat somebody deep too.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Great example there. Mick Evans is 6'5" 231 lbs. Gee I wonder how he is getting open against 5'9" 180 lb. CB's? I can't imagine. Could it be the 8 inches if height, longer arm reach, big hands, muscle and 50+ lbs. he out weighs them by? I'm sure it can't be that. He ran 4.53. Which is hardly slow for a guy of his size. It's excellent at that size.
Adams was largely a possession WR with Green Bay and Rodgers for a lot of his career. He would run great routes and get you the first down. 6'1" 212 lbs. is hardly small and bigger than many DB's he would go against. 4.51 isn't really that slow. Yeah they would occasionally send him deep. Some of those would even get under thrown. Back shoulder throws. He made a whole career on that. If you get the catch and way down the field it doesn't matter how. Of course he would on occasion beat somebody deep too.
If it's all about size why is every TE lineup vs CBs on the outside? His 40 time was in the 40% percentile.
Adams ran a 4.56 & he's an excellent downfield catcher. You act like the only way you can be looked at as a downfield WR is if that's all you can do? Do gets 180 targets a yr. He can do everything and can lineup anywhere.
Speed for a WR matters, but it's a bit overrated by the public. Speed matters more at CB, they're the ones that have to react to what a WR does.
there's a f**k ton of "fast" WRs that don't do s**t in the NFL. Deebo has one of the highest Y/R in the NfL right now, no on is calling him a speed freak.
understanding coverages, play calling, being able to win off the LOS, route running, having a QB that actually pushes the ball downfield matter much more than just speed as far as being a "downfield" threat goes
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Great example there. Mick Evans is 6'5" 231 lbs. Gee I wonder how he is getting open against 5'9" 180 lb. CB's? I can't imagine. Could it be the 8 inches if height, longer arm reach, big hands, muscle and 50+ lbs. he out weighs them by? I'm sure it can't be that. He ran 4.53. Which is hardly slow for a guy of his size. It's excellent at that size.
Adams was largely a possession WR with Green Bay and Rodgers for a lot of his career. He would run great routes and get you the first down. 6'1" 212 lbs. is hardly small and bigger than many DB's he would go against. 4.51 isn't really that slow. Yeah they would occasionally send him deep. Some of those would even get under thrown. Back shoulder throws. He made a whole career on that. If you get the catch and way down the field it doesn't matter how. Of course he would on occasion beat somebody deep too.
If it's all about size why is every TE lineup vs CBs on the outside? His 40 time was in the 40% percentile.
Adams ran a 4.56 & he's an excellent downfield catcher. You act like the only way you can be looked at as a downfield WR is if that's all you can do? Do gets 180 targets a yr. He can do everything and can lineup anywhere.
Speed for a WR matters, but it's a bit overrated by the public. Speed matters more at CB, they're the ones that have to react to what a WR does.
there's a f**k ton of "fast" WRs that don't do s**t in the NFL. Deebo has one of the highest Y/R in the NfL right now, no on is calling him a speed freak.
understanding coverages, play calling, being able to win off the LOS, route running, having a QB that actually pushes the ball downfield matter much more than just speed as far as being a "downfield" threat goes
Yeah speed can be overrated. It also can be a game breaker like Jamar Chase. He's timed fast and plays fast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davante_Adams
Adams = 4.51.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Evans_(wide_receiver)
Evans = 4.53. At 6'5" 231 lbs. That's a beast. It certainly helps him a lot.
4.5's are not really slow. Just not blazing.
Of course recognizing coverage, routes, hands, tracking the ball, getting off the jam matter. A lot of stuff matters and you can do it different ways. Speed isn't the only thing. It's one measure. Not all speed is equal. For some it translates to the game and others you only see it on the track or at a combine or pro day. But never in a game.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You don't need elite speed to be an effective down field WR. Davante Adams is just one prime example of that. Mike Evans is catching bombs still.
BA's Y/R was elite level last yr. All these WRs in the NFL are "fast". understanding coverages, winning off the LOS and being able to catch the ball matter wayyy more than .3 secs of a 40 time.
AJ Jenkins just fell down somewhere.
Guy looked like he was playing on skates
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The average 40 time for an NFL receiver is 4.49 so 4.5 is about average.
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
break out game on deck
Two TDs. One in the redzone and 46 yard catch and run.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
He may not be the fastest, or the best or good for that matter…