49ers WR Ricky Pearsall Thread

Baldy is shots fired on the niners today

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Oilcan:
This pick is going to haunt us for a while. We passed on some really good offensive lineman.

We didn't pass on the good ones. They got picked before we had a chance. Solid reports said the FO wanted Rosengarten but the Ravens took him just ahead of us. Piersall hasn't really had a chance to learn and fit into the system. It will take a full offseason and TC for him to begin to show up.

There were quality lineman available at the pick in the first round just not tackles.

I liked Cooper Dejean or DVondre Sweat. I know a lot of people were high on JPJ or Frazier And we could have likely had them with a trade down to boot.

All quality options that made way more sense than a WR unless you planned on moving on from Aiyuk.

Though the FO never mentioned it, that was certainly in play at the time of the draft. Multiple sources said the BA situation was different than Deebo or Kittle's. It was clear Aiyuk was willing to leave if he could find a place he liked, and ample suitors were interested. Hence, they drafted a guy who was a precise route runner similar to Aiyuk. Of course, we know of his injury problems during TC and missed critical time to learn the system, none of which could have been predicted. (I was hoping for an OL but in reviewing the choices available against the team OL needs, I believe Piersall was the best value in that slot...but that is a conversation long gone.)

The snow in Buffalo negated his quickness in route running and made the lack of targets understandable. Last night was a game for the strong, vertical players, not quick, shifty ones. Buffalo had multiple options in that type of player, the 49ers did not.

The decision to move on from Aiyuk should've been made when they selected Pearsall.

We will never know but I believe the plan was to move on from Deebo with Piersall and BA being the top WRs. This season with opponents playing a lot of man, Deebo's inability to beat coverage has suggested that plan may prove to be the best. Time will tell.

If that was the plan why did they restructure Deebo?

Pearsall may end up being a fine player but he added nowhere near the value that multiple other players at more pressing positions would have to this team this year.

Restructure was an insurance plan that created future flexibility.

As to value at that pick, I disagree that there was better value at a position of need. There was need but not value.

The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

You are making some assumptions that do not fit the circumstances AT THAT TIME.
One, all the good OLs were gone by the time Piersall was picked.
Two, Piersall was projected to replace either Aiyuk or Deebo in 2025, depending on how the negotiations went with Aiyuk.
Three, as I said above, the restructure was done to ensure we had either Deebo or Aiyuk for 2025. As it stands, we can designate Deebo as a post-June 1 cut and save $5.2 in cap room.

Bottom line: Piersall made sense given what was available and the reality that one of the others was gone next year. Piersall, because of off-season injury and the shooting has been a major disappointment. However, that does not mean the pick was wrong. Time will tell.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Ricky Pearsall's last 3 games:

• 63 routes ran
• 3 targets
• 0 catches
• 0 yards pic.twitter.com/FDEgX85hWn

— Coach Yac ???? (@Coach_Yac) December 2, 2024

can't throw the ball to himself

Particularly when he's never open.

Except film shows otherwise

Please, prove me wrong.

Film already has. But carry on. Youve already classified him as a bust, so not like you would concede anything anyways .

Originally posted by mcwoot:
Baldy is shots fired on the niners today

Brian Baldinger on Ricky Pearsall running 63 routes the last 3 games and not having a catch:

"What surprised me about that stat is that he even ran 63 routes because you don't even notice him. You don't even know he's on the field. That's how invisible he is…

I don't even know… pic.twitter.com/ir71BR60zT

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 3, 2024

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Ricky Pearsall's last 3 games:

• 63 routes ran
• 3 targets
• 0 catches
• 0 yards pic.twitter.com/FDEgX85hWn

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 2, 2024

can't throw the ball to himself

Particularly when he's never open.

Except film shows otherwise

Please, prove me wrong.

Film already has. But carry on. Youve already classified him as a bust, so not like you would concede anything anyways .

I wouldn't call your imagination "film".

That's the best you got? Hilarious

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Ricky Pearsall's last 3 games:

• 63 routes ran
• 3 targets
• 0 catches
• 0 yards pic.twitter.com/FDEgX85hWn

— Coach Yac ???? (@Coach_Yac) December 2, 2024

can't throw the ball to himself

Particularly when he's never open.

Except film shows otherwise

Please, prove me wrong.

Film already has. But carry on. Youve already classified him as a bust, so not like you would concede anything anyways .

Originally posted by mcwoot:
Baldy is shots fired on the niners today

Brian Baldinger on Ricky Pearsall running 63 routes the last 3 games and not having a catch:

"What surprised me about that stat is that he even ran 63 routes because you don't even notice him. You don't even know he's on the field. That's how invisible he is…

I don't even know… pic.twitter.com/ir71BR60zT

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 3, 2024

Too funny you had to wait for someone else to post this after the fact to use to justify your assertion. You can go through this thread and see the film of him open, but we all know you won't

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Ricky Pearsall's last 3 games:

• 63 routes ran
• 3 targets
• 0 catches
• 0 yards pic.twitter.com/FDEgX85hWn

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 2, 2024

can't throw the ball to himself

Particularly when he's never open.

Except film shows otherwise

Please, prove me wrong.

Film already has. But carry on. Youve already classified him as a bust, so not like you would concede anything anyways .

I wouldn't call your imagination "film".

That's the best you got? Hilarious

Here's your film.

Originally posted by mcwoot:
Baldy is shots fired on the niners today

Brian Baldinger on Ricky Pearsall running 63 routes the last 3 games and not having a catch:

"What surprised me about that stat is that he even ran 63 routes because you don't even notice him. You don't even know he's on the field. That's how invisible he is…

I don't even know… pic.twitter.com/ir71BR60zT

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 3, 2024

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Too funny you had to wait for someone else to post this after the fact to use to justify your assertion. You can go through this thread and see the film of him open, but we all know you won't

I'm guilty of being lazy.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Oilcan:
This pick is going to haunt us for a while. We passed on some really good offensive lineman.

We didn't pass on the good ones. They got picked before we had a chance. Solid reports said the FO wanted Rosengarten but the Ravens took him just ahead of us. Piersall hasn't really had a chance to learn and fit into the system. It will take a full offseason and TC for him to begin to show up.

There were quality lineman available at the pick in the first round just not tackles.

I liked Cooper Dejean or DVondre Sweat. I know a lot of people were high on JPJ or Frazier And we could have likely had them with a trade down to boot.

All quality options that made way more sense than a WR unless you planned on moving on from Aiyuk.

Though the FO never mentioned it, that was certainly in play at the time of the draft. Multiple sources said the BA situation was different than Deebo or Kittle's. It was clear Aiyuk was willing to leave if he could find a place he liked, and ample suitors were interested. Hence, they drafted a guy who was a precise route runner similar to Aiyuk. Of course, we know of his injury problems during TC and missed critical time to learn the system, none of which could have been predicted. (I was hoping for an OL but in reviewing the choices available against the team OL needs, I believe Piersall was the best value in that slot...but that is a conversation long gone.)

The snow in Buffalo negated his quickness in route running and made the lack of targets understandable. Last night was a game for the strong, vertical players, not quick, shifty ones. Buffalo had multiple options in that type of player, the 49ers did not.

The decision to move on from Aiyuk should've been made when they selected Pearsall.

We will never know but I believe the plan was to move on from Deebo with Piersall and BA being the top WRs. This season with opponents playing a lot of man, Deebo's inability to beat coverage has suggested that plan may prove to be the best. Time will tell.

If that was the plan why did they restructure Deebo?

Pearsall may end up being a fine player but he added nowhere near the value that multiple other players at more pressing positions would have to this team this year.

Restructure was an insurance plan that created future flexibility.

As to value at that pick, I disagree that there was better value at a position of need. There was need but not value.

The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

You are making some assumptions that do not fit the circumstances AT THAT TIME.
One, all the good OLs were gone by the time Piersall was picked.
Two, Piersall was projected to replace either Aiyuk or Deebo in 2025, depending on how the negotiations went with Aiyuk.
Three, as I said above, the restructure was done to ensure we had either Deebo or Aiyuk for 2025. As it stands, we can designate Deebo as a post-June 1 cut and save $5.2 in cap room.

Bottom line: Piersall made sense given what was available and the reality that one of the others was gone next year. Piersall, because of off-season injury and the shooting has been a major disappointment. However, that does not mean the pick was wrong. Time will tell.

I stopped reading at all the good lineman were gone by the time Pearsall was picked that's simply not true.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Too funny you had to wait for someone else to post this after the fact to use to justify your assertion. You can go through this thread and see the film of him open, but we all know you won't

I'm guilty of being lazy.

Amongst other things

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

You are disregarding the situation we were in with BA and Deebo. Everybody, including John Lynch, believed Aiyuk was going to Pittsburgh. That would have left the team without a WR that could beat man coverage. It was clear Deebo couldn't do it. In Shanahan's timing-based offense, that would have been crippling, and we see that now. We have no one that can beat man coverage which is what Piersall was supposed to be good at.

Go back and look in the BA thread where we were all resigned to BA leaving.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

I'm aware of how it works lol.

Honestly, I'd take some fans here (multiple drafts) over the years instead of what this regime selected (including my own) any day of the week. There's quite a few draft nerds here. You did not have to be a draft guru, scout, or GM to see that Frazier would be a damn stud and day one center in any system.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

The FO did not ignore the need at Center. They picked up Drake Nugent along with the kid from UCLA that we lost. Both were projected as future replacements for Brendel. They may still work. We don't know yet. Kyle is very slow to make changes at Center due to the experience needed to make protection calls.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

You are disregarding the situation we were in with BA and Deebo. Everybody, including John Lynch, believed Aiyuk was going to Pittsburgh. That would have left the team without a WR that could beat man coverage. It was clear Deebo couldn't do it. In Shanahan's timing-based offense, that would have been crippling, and we see that now. We have no one that can beat man coverage which is what Piersall was supposed to be good at.

Go back and look in the BA thread where we were all resigned to BA leaving.

I'm not disregarding anything and far from everybody was resigned to BA leaving that's simply not true and even if BA would've left not a chance that Kyle relies on a rookie to fill that role.