SWB Ricky Pearsall-WR-Florida; 31st Pick 2024 Draft - NO politics

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

The FO did not ignore the need at Center. They picked up Drake Nugent along with the kid from UCLA that we lost. Both were projected as future replacements for Brendel. They may still work. We don't know yet. Kyle is very slow to make changes at Center due to the experience needed to make protection calls.

Are you serious? a late round draft pick and an udfa aren't exactly prioritizing the position it's as good as ignoring the position.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

The FO did not ignore the need at Center. They picked up Drake Nugent along with the kid from UCLA that we lost. Both were projected as future replacements for Brendel. They may still work. We don't know yet. Kyle is very slow to make changes at Center due to the experience needed to make protection calls.

Are you serious? a late round draft pick and an udfa aren't exactly prioritizing the position it's as good as ignoring the position.

I've made my case. I'm not going to belabor the point further.

Originally posted by dj43:
I've made my case. I'm not going to belabor the point further.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

The FO did not ignore the need at Center. They picked up Drake Nugent along with the kid from UCLA that we lost. Both were projected as future replacements for Brendel. They may still work. We don't know yet. Kyle is very slow to make changes at Center due to the experience needed to make protection calls.

Are you serious? a late round draft pick and an udfa aren't exactly prioritizing the position it's as good as ignoring the position.

Brendal wasn't going to be the starter this year. Feli took over at the start of camp if you guys had forgotten

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Oilcan:
This pick is going to haunt us for a while. We passed on some really good offensive lineman.

We didn't pass on the good ones. They got picked before we had a chance. Solid reports said the FO wanted Rosengarten but the Ravens took him just ahead of us. Piersall hasn't really had a chance to learn and fit into the system. It will take a full offseason and TC for him to begin to show up.

There were quality lineman available at the pick in the first round just not tackles.

I liked Cooper Dejean or DVondre Sweat. I know a lot of people were high on JPJ or Frazier And we could have likely had them with a trade down to boot.

All quality options that made way more sense than a WR unless you planned on moving on from Aiyuk.

Though the FO never mentioned it, that was certainly in play at the time of the draft. Multiple sources said the BA situation was different than Deebo or Kittle's. It was clear Aiyuk was willing to leave if he could find a place he liked, and ample suitors were interested. Hence, they drafted a guy who was a precise route runner similar to Aiyuk. Of course, we know of his injury problems during TC and missed critical time to learn the system, none of which could have been predicted. (I was hoping for an OL but in reviewing the choices available against the team OL needs, I believe Piersall was the best value in that slot...but that is a conversation long gone.)

The snow in Buffalo negated his quickness in route running and made the lack of targets understandable. Last night was a game for the strong, vertical players, not quick, shifty ones. Buffalo had multiple options in that type of player, the 49ers did not.

The decision to move on from Aiyuk should've been made when they selected Pearsall.

We will never know but I believe the plan was to move on from Deebo with Piersall and BA being the top WRs. This season with opponents playing a lot of man, Deebo's inability to beat coverage has suggested that plan may prove to be the best. Time will tell.

If that was the plan why did they restructure Deebo?

Pearsall may end up being a fine player but he added nowhere near the value that multiple other players at more pressing positions would have to this team this year.

Restructure was an insurance plan that created future flexibility.

As to value at that pick, I disagree that there was better value at a position of need. There was need but not value.

The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

You are making some assumptions that do not fit the circumstances AT THAT TIME.
One, all the good OLs were gone by the time Piersall was picked.
Two, Piersall was projected to replace either Aiyuk or Deebo in 2025, depending on how the negotiations went with Aiyuk.
Three, as I said above, the restructure was done to ensure we had either Deebo or Aiyuk for 2025. As it stands, we can designate Deebo as a post-June 1 cut and save $5.2 in cap room.

Bottom line: Piersall made sense given what was available and the reality that one of the others was gone next year. Piersall, because of off-season injury and the shooting has been a major disappointment. However, that does not mean the pick was wrong. Time will tell.

I stopped reading at all the good lineman were gone by the time Pearsall was picked that's simply not true.

According to your charts. There must be 100 different people that do draft projections every year and they seldom are the same. Most are people like you or me that watch football but don't really know much about these guys. Seriously,how much do you know about a college O linman other than what you read on the internet or hear on the radio. We can't watch these guys for every game or visit the practices like scouts do. Most fans go by Mel Kiper or some body like that. That doesn't mean the scouts are always right. They make evaluations based on what they see and 2 scouts may view thungs differently.

Bottom line is I trust the front office and their scouts more than anybody on this forum. Sorry guys but we're all just fans. These guys do this for a living. Unforunatley they don't get to do it over when they miss. It's easy for us to look at someone who is doing well and say we should have taken that guy,

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
According to your charts. There must be 100 different people that do draft projections every year and they seldom are the same. Most are people like you or me that watch football but don't really know much about these guys. Seriously,how much do you know about a college O linman other than what you read on the internet or hear on the radio. We can't watch these guys for every game or visit the practices like scouts do. Most fans go by Mel Kiper or some body like that. That doesn't mean the scouts are always right. They make evaluations based on what they see and 2 scouts may view thungs differently.

Bottom line is I trust the front office and their scouts more than anybody on this forum. Sorry guys but we're all just fans. These guys do this for a living. Unforunatley they don't get to do it over when they miss. It's easy for us to look at someone who is doing well and say we should have taken that guy,

And they suck at it.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
According to your charts. There must be 100 different people that do draft projections every year and they seldom are the same. Most are people like you or me that watch football but don't really know much about these guys. Seriously,how much do you know about a college O linman other than what you read on the internet or hear on the radio. We can't watch these guys for every game or visit the practices like scouts do. Most fans go by Mel Kiper or some body like that. That doesn't mean the scouts are always right. They make evaluations based on what they see and 2 scouts may view thungs differently.

Bottom line is I trust the front office and their scouts more than anybody on this forum. Sorry guys but we're all just fans. These guys do this for a living. Unforunatley they don't get to do it over when they miss. It's easy for us to look at someone who is doing well and say we should have taken that guy,

And they suck at it.

Aren't they the same guys that help build the team that was in shambles and got them to 4 NFC title games and 2 SBs? Most teams would love to suck like that.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
According to your charts. There must be 100 different people that do draft projections every year and they seldom are the same. Most are people like you or me that watch football but don't really know much about these guys. Seriously,how much do you know about a college O linman other than what you read on the internet or hear on the radio. We can't watch these guys for every game or visit the practices like scouts do. Most fans go by Mel Kiper or some body like that. That doesn't mean the scouts are always right. They make evaluations based on what they see and 2 scouts may view thungs differently.

Bottom line is I trust the front office and their scouts more than anybody on this forum. Sorry guys but we're all just fans. These guys do this for a living. Unforunatley they don't get to do it over when they miss. It's easy for us to look at someone who is doing well and say we should have taken that guy,

And they suck at it.

Aren't they the same guys that help build the team that was in shambles and got them to 4 NFC title games and 2 SBs? Most teams would love to suck like that.

ShanaLynch thought they could ride on the two good drafts they had at the beginning of their tenure for ten more years.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

The FO did not ignore the need at Center. They picked up Drake Nugent along with the kid from UCLA that we lost. Both were projected as future replacements for Brendel. They may still work. We don't know yet. Kyle is very slow to make changes at Center due to the experience needed to make protection calls.

Are you serious? a late round draft pick and an udfa aren't exactly prioritizing the position it's as good as ignoring the position.

Brendal wasn't going to be the starter this year. Feli took over at the start of camp if you guys had forgotten

Nope I hadn't forgotten he'd have surely been an upgrade to Brendel how significant is debatable but he still would've been nothing more than a stop gap.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
According to your charts. There must be 100 different people that do draft projections every year and they seldom are the same. Most are people like you or me that watch football but don't really know much about these guys. Seriously,how much do you know about a college O linman other than what you read on the internet or hear on the radio. We can't watch these guys for every game or visit the practices like scouts do. Most fans go by Mel Kiper or some body like that. That doesn't mean the scouts are always right. They make evaluations based on what they see and 2 scouts may view thungs differently.

Bottom line is I trust the front office and their scouts more than anybody on this forum. Sorry guys but we're all just fans. These guys do this for a living. Unforunatley they don't get to do it over when they miss. It's easy for us to look at someone who is doing well and say we should have taken that guy,

It has nothing due with charts multiple people on this very board identified Frazier as an ideal fit for this team how is it they could see that but the team couldn't?

The draft isn't an exact science far from it but it isn't always rocket science either.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
The restructure made it more costly to move on from him.

I'd consider a day one starting caliber C or DB much more valuable than a 4th WR.

Me too, much more valuable than a 4th WR.

There wasn't a day one starting center available when they drafted. At least not anyone they liked. This year they'll be drafting higher so maybe they will be lucky enough to be able to get a good linemen. They still might pass and address another position of need if they feel there's better quality at D line. RB is a positon of need but not in the early rounds. They need another quality LB since Greenlaw is still a question mark coming back from a serios injury. Their defensive scheme relies a lot on LBs to plug the gaps.

JPJ; Frazier

The "not anyone they liked" saved you from that false statement

That's all that counts. It doesn't matter who some draft guru thinks is good. Every guy with a computer can make a mock draft. The team has it's scouts and they have to decide if a player is someone worth drafting. Then Kyle and John need to decide if he fits their plans . Then that player needs to be there when they pick.

If drafting was as easy as some fans seem to think then every team would be a SB contender.

If their scouts didn't think either JPJ or Frazier were worth drafting they need new scouts & if Kyle & John didn't see the need or the fit maybe they should have less say in these situations going forward.

Context is everything. Brendel had shown improvement last year. Given that improvement, and the issue with BA/Deebo that we discussed above, the choice was understandable. The problems became compounded with Brendel's regression and Piersall's injuries. That is why we should not judge a pick on what happens the first year.

He showed minimal improvement at best and nothing to solidify him as the starter going forward,it was obvious that an upgrade was needed then and now he's far and away the worst center in football.

The FO did not ignore the need at Center. They picked up Drake Nugent along with the kid from UCLA that we lost. Both were projected as future replacements for Brendel. They may still work. We don't know yet. Kyle is very slow to make changes at Center due to the experience needed to make protection calls.

Are you serious? a late round draft pick and an udfa aren't exactly prioritizing the position it's as good as ignoring the position.

Brendal wasn't going to be the starter this year. Feli took over at the start of camp if you guys had forgotten

Nope I hadn't forgotten he'd have surely been an upgrade to Brendel how significant is debatable but he still would've been nothing more than a stop gap.

anyone who we draft will be a stop gap.. there's no guarantee. only G'tee is to sign a FA which i can see happening and would like that than drafting high for a C

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
According to your charts. There must be 100 different people that do draft projections every year and they seldom are the same. Most are people like you or me that watch football but don't really know much about these guys. Seriously,how much do you know about a college O linman other than what you read on the internet or hear on the radio. We can't watch these guys for every game or visit the practices like scouts do. Most fans go by Mel Kiper or some body like that. That doesn't mean the scouts are always right. They make evaluations based on what they see and 2 scouts may view thungs differently.

Bottom line is I trust the front office and their scouts more than anybody on this forum. Sorry guys but we're all just fans. These guys do this for a living. Unforunatley they don't get to do it over when they miss. It's easy for us to look at someone who is doing well and say we should have taken that guy,

It has nothing due with charts multiple people on this very board identified Frazier as an ideal fit for this team how is it they could see that but the team couldn't?

The draft isn't an exact science far from it but it isn't always rocket science either.

That's my point. Multiple people on this board. Exactly where are they getting their info. Unless they're at practices and watchng all the game film on these guys (not just a few highlights) they're just getting second hand info.

Too mnay fans act like this front office and coachng staff have no clue what they're doing. They completely ignore what happend the last 4 seasons after one bad injury plagued year. They act like the 49ers have been like the Browns or Lions who haven't sniffed a SB. They sucked for the last 50 + years. Only the Cowboys and NE have more SB appearances. Only Pitsburg and NE have more wins.

I know many of you aren't old enough to remember the Walsh years but as great as they were he had several misses on high profile players. He had about 3 really good drafts in his 10 seasons and that was enough to keep the team rolling. Most of those years were 12 round drafts so he had more chances to find a good player.

I'm not saying this curerent leadership hasn't missed in the last few drafts but when you draft at the end of the round every year your chances of finding a good player goes down. Their one really big mistake was the Lance deal but at the time they had a strong roster and felt it was worth a shot since JG was so injury prone. It bombed and they paid the price for it but so what. They still went to another SB and nearly won it. They still have a good roster when healthy but it's aging and they need to rebuild. A couple bad years might be needed in order to reload.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It has nothing due with charts multiple people on this very board identified Frazier as an ideal fit for this team how is it they could see that but the team couldn't?

The draft isn't an exact science far from it but it isn't always rocket science either.

He went some 20 spots after RP. So, multiple teams passed over an IOL prospect for a prospect they liked better or had a higher grade on.

Teams don't just consider needs when drafting but their draft grades/value. Lance Zierlein had a 3rd round grade on him while Brandon Thorn had a 2nd round grade on him. Who knows where we valued him or where some other teams did as well. One knock on the kid is that he had short arms and some teams will knock you down a few spots for that while it may not be as big of a concern for others... each team is different.

For all anyone here knows we tried to move up in round two and couldn't find a partner or a fair deal and so ultimately we made the move back.

My boy ladd mcconkey is having a pretty legit rookie yr

Originally posted by Koldo:
ShanaLynch thought they could ride on the two good drafts they had at the beginning of their tenure for ten more years.

They were just in the f**king SB. Man your takes are so old and stale.