40 times for our RB's:
Jordan Mason - 4.58
CMC - 4.49
Elijah Mitchell - 4.32 or 4.38
Patrick Taylor - 4.57
Isaac Guerendo - 4.33
Fast RB room for sure!
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Isaac Guerendo-RB-Louisville 2024 NFL Draft
Apr 29, 2024 at 9:57 PM
- glorydayz
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Apr 29, 2024 at 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by RasSuar:
Larry Kreuger continues to speculate that he is a future replacement for Juice, but does he have the strength to be an FB? His bench press was the only part of his subpar combine numbers. And I don't know if he has experience as a lead blocker. But if he can do it, it would be amazing to have a 223-lb. FB who can catch the ball and run a 40-yard dash in 4.3 seconds.
lil bizarre, does he have any experience as a lead blocker? I would figure a TE, would more naturally convert to FB
Dude is talll and long, Bench press should be listed as a percentage compared to other people with similar measurements...the longer some one is...the harder it is to press...it has little correlation to football strength as a raw number.....
Well...put it this way....there are 5'8" 170-180 pound dudes would could out bench press offensive linemen in reps.... so the stat really only correlated to other similar sized dudes...the longer you are...the worst your BP becomes normally
As far as FB...I only saw him lead block twice in his snap videos...both from a pro-set......I would suspect that moving to FB on anything other then passing downs would be a hell of an uphill battle.
Change of pace FB? like a double HB backfield? Sure we have done that before, but I dont think the dude will be called on to be a dedicated blocker......but who knows....maybe the guy is a natural...but I doubt it.....
Weirder things have happened in the NFL, I keep saying the guy reminds me of Marcus Allen...weeeeeelllll.....Allen was moved to FB to block for Bo Jackson.......no one in their right mind would put a HOF Super Bowl hero RB at FB....so if it can happen to Marcus Allen...I suppose it can happen to anyone.
I have nothing but super high praise for this draft pick, but.....IMO.... Roger Craig was a unicorn.... Really only Mike Alsott and Craig come to mind when I think of real threats from the FB position....
Could IG be that guy? never say never...but it is like saying xyz is going to be the next jerry rice....one day there will be one...but odds are against any great prospect will be that guy.
I think IG will be a fine RB, but I dont think we are looking at the next Craig or anything.
Apr 29, 2024 at 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by tankle104:
It'll be interesting to see if we put this guy in juices spot on plays to spell him and add a package. This guy on a full back run or running some of the routes juice does - could be dangerous. I love juice but if we can groom this guy to replace juice - that would be huge.
In some packages sure. As a pure replacement for Juice tho I think he's too valuable as a rb
I think Kyle is more looking for a H-back type to replace Juice long term
May 1, 2024 at 6:30 AM
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I'm a bit lower on him than some in here…he's an elite combine athlete. I don't know if I see that crazy speed on film. Also for a guy that 220lbs+ he sure doesn't break a lot of tackles and get yards after contact. He kinda reminds me of Israel Abanikanda from Pitt who got drafted in the 5th by the jets two yrs ago.
I feel like he runs kinda upright and I wouldn't say he has great contact balance. For a guy that's been in college so long (and was never the dude at any of those places) I feel like he's not really that impressive as a runner. Looks good at pass blocking and will have a role on 3rd down (like once a game with CMC out there lol).
I don't know giving up two 5ths for a RB, let alone him was kinda meh to me as the dust has settled.
with all that said I hope he turns into the next stud at RB.
I feel like he runs kinda upright and I wouldn't say he has great contact balance. For a guy that's been in college so long (and was never the dude at any of those places) I feel like he's not really that impressive as a runner. Looks good at pass blocking and will have a role on 3rd down (like once a game with CMC out there lol).
I don't know giving up two 5ths for a RB, let alone him was kinda meh to me as the dust has settled.
with all that said I hope he turns into the next stud at RB.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 1, 2024 at 7:19 AM ]
May 1, 2024 at 7:11 AM
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Originally posted by RasSuar:
Larry Kreuger continues to speculate that he is a future replacement for Juice, but does he have the strength to be an FB? His bench press was the only part of his subpar combine numbers. And I don't know if he has experience as a lead blocker. But if he can do it, it would be amazing to have a 223-lb. FB who can catch the ball and run a 40-yard dash in 4.3 seconds.
Larry is an idiot. I put him in the same tier as Cohn. No one follows them for their football knowledge or insider reports…in fact I have no idea why anyone follows/listens to them?
May 1, 2024 at 9:44 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm a bit lower on him than some in here…he's an elite combine athlete. I don't know if I see that crazy speed on film. Also for a guy that 220lbs+ he sure doesn't break a lot of tackles and get yards after contact. He kinda reminds me of Israel Abanikanda from Pitt who got drafted in the 5th by the jets two yrs ago.
I feel like he runs kinda upright and I wouldn't say he has great contact balance. For a guy that's been in college so long (and was never the dude at any of those places) I feel like he's not really that impressive as a runner. Looks good at pass blocking and will have a role on 3rd down (like once a game with CMC out there lol).
I don't know giving up two 5ths for a RB, let alone him was kinda meh to me as the dust has settled.
with all that said I hope he turns into the next stud at RB.
Yeah, it doesn't constantly/consistently show up in his tape, but I have seen it. I wouldn't really call him a combine athlete. Even if he were, 6' 221lbs running a 4.33 is rare regardless.
Something to keep in mind is that he wasn't the main guy throughout college, which if looked at optimistic point of view, less wear and tear, and a reason we haven't seen his full potential or numbers that he could put up as RB1. His yards per were pretty damn good.
Good receiver out of the backfield and from the few attempts I actually saw, pretty good in pass protection.
I think he's our kick returner to start off and I do think he'll get some carries this season.
May 1, 2024 at 9:47 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Larry is an idiot. I put him in the same tier as Cohn. No one follows them for their football knowledge or insider reports…in fact I have no idea why anyone follows/listens to them?
Larry talks like he knows more than everyone and yeah he's an idiot. He also said Green to Safety. Yeah, let's draft the best press man corner in the draft to play him deep, out of position, and have him not press
May 2, 2024 at 5:15 AM
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yeah, it doesn't constantly/consistently show up in his tape, but I have seen it. I wouldn't really call him a combine athlete. Even if he were, 6' 221lbs running a 4.33 is rare regardless.
Something to keep in mind is that he wasn't the main guy throughout college, which if looked at optimistic point of view, less wear and tear, and a reason we haven't seen his full potential or numbers that he could put up as RB1. His yards per were pretty damn good.
Good receiver out of the backfield and from the few attempts I actually saw, pretty good in pass protection.
I think he's our kick returner to start off and I do think he'll get some carries this season.
Well I think overall the reason he was talked about was his combine numbers vs the film.
he's gonna be 24 before the season starts. CMC is only 4 yrs older than this dude and he's been in the league for 8 yrs lol.
I don't know, he doesn't break tackles at his size. Runs upright and I wouldn't say he has great vision. Some cool highlights. Mitchell and Mason are better RBs than this guy. Hopefully he proves me wrong. This was the one pick that I wasn't a fan of at all.
May 2, 2024 at 8:17 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yeah, it doesn't constantly/consistently show up in his tape, but I have seen it. I wouldn't really call him a combine athlete. Even if he were, 6' 221lbs running a 4.33 is rare regardless.
Something to keep in mind is that he wasn't the main guy throughout college, which if looked at optimistic point of view, less wear and tear, and a reason we haven't seen his full potential or numbers that he could put up as RB1. His yards per were pretty damn good.
Good receiver out of the backfield and from the few attempts I actually saw, pretty good in pass protection.
I think he's our kick returner to start off and I do think he'll get some carries this season.
Well I think overall the reason he was talked about was his combine numbers vs the film.
he's gonna be 24 before the season starts. CMC is only 4 yrs older than this dude and he's been in the league for 8 yrs lol.
I don't know, he doesn't break tackles at his size. Runs upright and I wouldn't say he has great vision. Some cool highlights. Mitchell and Mason are better RBs than this guy. Hopefully he proves me wrong. This was the one pick that I wasn't a fan of at all.
That's all fair, I've got nothing
Was just trying to look at it through an optimistic lens
May 2, 2024 at 8:50 AM
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
That's all fair, I've got nothing
Was just trying to look at it through an optimistic lens
I mean I'll always gonna be optimistic when they become Niners
May 2, 2024 at 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by RasSuar:
Larry Kreuger continues to speculate that he is a future replacement for Juice, but does he have the strength to be an FB? His bench press was the only part of his subpar combine numbers. And I don't know if he has experience as a lead blocker. But if he can do it, it would be amazing to have a 223-lb. FB who can catch the ball and run a 40-yard dash in 4.3 seconds.
Larry is an idiot. I put him in the same tier as Cohn. No one follows them for their football knowledge or insider reports…in fact I have no idea why anyone follows/listens to them?
I didn't follow him in college but after seeing his numbers (specifically the 4.3 speed) I thought of Joe Williams, Matt Breida,and Raheem Mostert- those guys that could rip off the 50 yard run.
Of course Williams is a never was and the latter two couldn't stay healthy long enough to become that guy, although Mostert is a couple tiers above Breida and is a top babk in the league. But reading what you said, he seems the complete opposite of Pearsall,Green,and Puni- ready to go players.
Maybe IG is the Jordan Mason replacement since he is a pure runner and doesn't offer much else. With that said, if he is,that's a good player than can spell CMC AND offer help as a 3rd down back, but horrible value.
I hope he can become a combo of Mitchell and Mason,with good health. The one plus- he will get great coaching here.
May 2, 2024 at 5:43 PM
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I didn't follow him in college but after seeing his numbers (specifically the 4.3 speed) I thought of Joe Williams, Matt Breida,and Raheem Mostert- those guys that could rip off the 50 yard run.
Of course Williams is a never was and the latter two couldn't stay healthy long enough to become that guy, although Mostert is a couple tiers above Breida and is a top babk in the league. But reading what you said, he seems the complete opposite of Pearsall,Green,and Puni- ready to go players.
Maybe IG is the Jordan Mason replacement since he is a pure runner and doesn't offer much else. With that said, if he is,that's a good player than can spell CMC AND offer help as a 3rd down back, but horrible value.
I hope he can become a combo of Mitchell and Mason,with good health. The one plus- he will get great coaching here.
Completely disagree. We see what CMC brings to the table especially in passing game. IG can be used in similar ways. That to me is valuable. We see what happens when certain players are out. IG has a chance to allow Kyle to use full play book if CMC gets hurt and misses time.
While I like his rushing ability and think he can be Mostert like it's the passing game area I'm more excited to see.
May 3, 2024 at 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well I think overall the reason he was talked about was his combine numbers vs the film.
he's gonna be 24 before the season starts. CMC is only 4 yrs older than this dude and he's been in the league for 8 yrs lol.
I don't know, he doesn't break tackles at his size. Runs upright and I wouldn't say he has great vision. Some cool highlights. Mitchell and Mason are better RBs than this guy. Hopefully he proves me wrong. This was the one pick that I wasn't a fan of at all.
He probably just sees dude as a possible FB with breakaway speed and good catching ability.
I dont think he expects him to develop into some elusive back or anything,...but he can certainly house a mismatch or exploit a flaw in the way the defense is playing his offense.
Beyond this niche,...everything else is probably icing on the cake.
May 3, 2024 at 7:22 AM
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Originally posted by krizay:
Completely disagree. We see what CMC brings to the table especially in passing game. IG can be used in similar ways. That to me is valuable. We see what happens when certain players are out. IG has a chance to allow Kyle to use full play book if CMC gets hurt and misses time.
While I like his rushing ability and think he can be Mostert like it's the passing game area I'm more excited to see.
I mean I don't see his skill as vastly different than Mitchell's in the passing game…it's a ton of screens basically. I'm not seeing him running choice routes or anything extra there. His hands aren't made of bricks so that's a plus. He runs a little too upright for my liking. I think everyone has a preference for what they want their RB to look like.
Overall we will see what happens. I hope he blows it up.
May 3, 2024 at 7:49 AM
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Roger Craig played RB & FB at roughly the same height/weight. I agree his highlights were not incredible and he seems to have a more specific FB hybrid role in the 49ers offense and special teams. The upright running doesn't seem to translate to short yardage/goal line.