Isaac Guerendo-RB-Louisville 2024 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by joeknows:
I know this topic has been done to death, but I just noticed Shanahan in the post-game locker room speech (which I don't usually watch because, as much as I love Coach, his rah-rah stuff is a bit cringey!), he actually congratulates Guerendo for going down on that long run, and says "That was smart, man.".
Makes me think that was definitely the call from the sidelines.

the dude is unselfish ....I think he is a pretty smart player...multiple examples of good clock management on his part and getting out of bounds to save time when he need too vs trying to be a hero and just out run everyone or a hog that would waste time to get a few more stats along the way to a loss.

I don't t think he is a stats guy, more of a get the job done kind of guy.

Maybe he made the wrong choice in sliding, or maybe he was farther from the sideline then he thought and figured he better get down in bounds once he was tripped up...I don't know....

but he either

A. gave up his first TD for what he thought was the betterment of the team.

B. made sure to get down IN BOUNDS as he was being tackled.

Point is he was THINKING of the team in both cases....

If he was wrong on the slide, that is much easier to coach up for next time, vs a glory hog that wanted his touches/tds or whatever...

Both scenarios point to a dude who is a team first kind of guy that is THINKING.... I would happily take either scenario.

aha. so coach admits he went down on his own, like i was saying. ppl tried to argue he got tackled from behind.
no one running forward at like 20 mph gets hit from behind and slides down on their tail. doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by joeknows:
I know this topic has been done to death, but I just noticed Shanahan in the post-game locker room speech (which I don't usually watch because, as much as I love Coach, his rah-rah stuff is a bit cringey!), he actually congratulates Guerendo for going down on that long run, and says "That was smart, man.".
Makes me think that was definitely the call from the sidelines.

the dude is unselfish ....I think he is a pretty smart player...multiple examples of good clock management on his part and getting out of bounds to save time when he need too vs trying to be a hero and just out run everyone or a hog that would waste time to get a few more stats along the way to a loss.

I don't t think he is a stats guy, more of a get the job done kind of guy.

Maybe he made the wrong choice in sliding, or maybe he was farther from the sideline then he thought and figured he better get down in bounds once he was tripped up...I don't know....

but he either

A. gave up his first TD for what he thought was the betterment of the team.

B. made sure to get down IN BOUNDS as he was being tackled.

Point is he was THINKING of the team in both cases....

If he was wrong on the slide, that is much easier to coach up for next time, vs a glory hog that wanted his touches/tds or whatever...

Both scenarios point to a dude who is a team first kind of guy that is THINKING.... I would happily take either scenario.

He's over thinking there. The point is to score. A 5 point lead is not safe with DK Metcalf. They had some time and timeouts. We had a backup kicker so a FG and an 8 point lead is not sure. Which still can be reached with a TD and 2 point conversion. The safest bet here was to score and get a 12 point lead. A 2 score lead. You can chew clock on defense too tackling people in bounds. Offense too the next time you get it since it's a 2 score lead. There is no scenario where a 2 score lead was not better in that situation.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's over thinking there. The point is to score. A 5 point lead is not safe with DK Metcalf. They had some time and timeouts. We had a backup kicker so a FG and an 8 point lead is not sure. Which still can be reached with a TD and 2 point conversion. The safest bet here was to score and get a 12 point lead. A 2 score lead. You can chew clock on defense too tackling people in bounds. Offense too the next time you get it since it's a 2 score lead. There is no scenario where a 2 score lead was not better in that situation.

yeah he should have just house called with a big spike for an emphatic win. he was thinking too much. but he was trying to do the team first thing so it's hard to fault for that.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by joeknows:
I know this topic has been done to death, but I just noticed Shanahan in the post-game locker room speech (which I don't usually watch because, as much as I love Coach, his rah-rah stuff is a bit cringey!), he actually congratulates Guerendo for going down on that long run, and says "That was smart, man.".
Makes me think that was definitely the call from the sidelines.

the dude is unselfish ....I think he is a pretty smart player...multiple examples of good clock management on his part and getting out of bounds to save time when he need too vs trying to be a hero and just out run everyone or a hog that would waste time to get a few more stats along the way to a loss.

I don't t think he is a stats guy, more of a get the job done kind of guy.

Maybe he made the wrong choice in sliding, or maybe he was farther from the sideline then he thought and figured he better get down in bounds once he was tripped up...I don't know....

but he either

A. gave up his first TD for what he thought was the betterment of the team.

B. made sure to get down IN BOUNDS as he was being tackled.

Point is he was THINKING of the team in both cases....

If he was wrong on the slide, that is much easier to coach up for next time, vs a glory hog that wanted his touches/tds or whatever...

Both scenarios point to a dude who is a team first kind of guy that is THINKING.... I would happily take either scenario.

He's over thinking there. The point is to score. A 5 point lead is not safe with DK Metcalf. They had some time and timeouts. We had a backup kicker so a FG and an 8 point lead is not sure. Which still can be reached with a TD and 2 point conversion. The safest bet here was to score and get a 12 point lead. A 2 score lead. You can chew clock on defense too tackling people in bounds. Offense too the next time you get it since it's a 2 score lead. There is no scenario where a 2 score lead was not better in that situation.

even if what you are saying is 100% true.....

The point stays the same....

Either he was tripped up and made sure to get down inbounds, or thought he was doing the best for the team to get down to burn time off the clock.

The dude was thinking what was best for the team.

If he was wrong, this is a super easy thing to coach on. I would much rather have a dude who is thinking about the team, than a dude who is thinking about his own glory.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I just pulled up 6 of his draft profiles and not a single one of them said he has no vision. A couple of them said that he "occasionally has an overreliance on bouncing outside" but not a single one of them says he is scared of contact or that he doesnt run inside.

Also, he clearly slowed himself and went down purposely on the long run against the Seahawks, so your comment about him "consistently getting caught from behind" is you talking out of your you know what.

Well I said awhile back he is not what people think he is. He is fast, but does not look like a 4.3 guy...he does not shift gears very well on a football field, but in daylight he can run by people...he is big..but does not run with power....even if he often takes a crowed to get him down....

The he does not have vision.....I just can't agree with that....I don't see that....at....all....

Far to many times he sets his blockers up, weaves though traffic... he must have hurdled people...like at least 8 times. The dude is a heads up runner, he is not a low guy that just absorbs random impacts and just powers though...the dude looks for day light. All those screens and dump off passes that he looked for blocking to break off a chunk play. All the times he looked to chip or pick up a blitz...

The dude does not have an awareness problem.

I think the biggest problem is the dude does not have the quickness or feet to be a WR, and he probably should have been one...so he ended up as a 3rd down/ change of pace back. As a RB he can't plant and go, I don't think he has that one step burst that works so well in the NFL.

I do not think he is some huge weapon in the NFL, I think the dude should be a 3rd down utility back. Let him work in the passing game, let him pass block...but who knows.....Maybe the dude totally proves me wrong...lord knows he is on the right team to do that. 49ers have a long history of getting guys over 5 yards without getting touched. They might be able to feed this dude enough daylight that he can hit top gear and chew off chunk plays.

Guy has an odd mix of unfair criticism and unrealistic expectations imo....we shall see

Could he be an eventual Juice replacement, tho?

dude I hope with all my being that is the plan....(and he can be an impact run blocker)

Man I really hope for that....I want our Roger Craig 2.0 soooo badly....

I thought I saw him take a carry from the up back position last sat...I was busy and am not 100% sure...but dude I did a happy dance.

in a perfect world, this dude adds 15 pounds and they slot him in as a utility back....he 100% has the mentality for it.

Word.

Isaac One-Cut Go-rendo!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by joeknows:
I know this topic has been done to death, but I just noticed Shanahan in the post-game locker room speech (which I don't usually watch because, as much as I love Coach, his rah-rah stuff is a bit cringey!), he actually congratulates Guerendo for going down on that long run, and says "That was smart, man.".
Makes me think that was definitely the call from the sidelines.

the dude is unselfish ....I think he is a pretty smart player...multiple examples of good clock management on his part and getting out of bounds to save time when he need too vs trying to be a hero and just out run everyone or a hog that would waste time to get a few more stats along the way to a loss.

I don't t think he is a stats guy, more of a get the job done kind of guy.

Maybe he made the wrong choice in sliding, or maybe he was farther from the sideline then he thought and figured he better get down in bounds once he was tripped up...I don't know....

but he either

A. gave up his first TD for what he thought was the betterment of the team.

B. made sure to get down IN BOUNDS as he was being tackled.

Point is he was THINKING of the team in both cases....

If he was wrong on the slide, that is much easier to coach up for next time, vs a glory hog that wanted his touches/tds or whatever...

Both scenarios point to a dude who is a team first kind of guy that is THINKING.... I would happily take either scenario.

aha. so coach admits he went down on his own, like i was saying. ppl tried to argue he got tackled from behind.
no one running forward at like 20 mph gets hit from behind and slides down on their tail. doesn't happen.

Yup, it never should have even been a question. Ppl that argued otherwise must have never played football, it's physically impossible to get "tackled" or tripped into a baseball slide lol

This guy has no vision and goes down so easy ...

The only thing he has is untouched speed. He honestly cant hold a candle the McCaffrey or Mason.

He's at best and occasional rb3 rb4. He will never carry a team.

Every time he gets the ball I expect 1-3 yards max...

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup, it never should have even been a question. Ppl that argued otherwise must have never played football, it's physically impossible to get "tackled" or tripped into a baseball slide lol

It is physically possible, though, to choose to fall a certain way because someone fell onto your heel. And the guy's head did fall onto his heel. I assume people that argue it's black and white have never played football.

Whether he chose to slide or not and at which video frame he chose to do so, the guy caught up with him from behind either way.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup, it never should have even been a question. Ppl that argued otherwise must have never played football, it's physically impossible to get "tackled" or tripped into a baseball slide lol

It is physically possible, though, to choose to fall a certain way because someone fell onto your heel. And the guy's head did fall onto his heel. I assume people that argue it's black and white have never played football.

Whether he chose to slide or not and at which video frame he chose to do so, the guy caught up with him from behind either way.

it's only possible when you are waiting/wanting to go down..

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I just pulled up 6 of his draft profiles and not a single one of them said he has no vision. A couple of them said that he "occasionally has an overreliance on bouncing outside" but not a single one of them says he is scared of contact or that he doesnt run inside.

Also, he clearly slowed himself and went down purposely on the long run against the Seahawks, so your comment about him "consistently getting caught from behind" is you talking out of your you know what.

Well I said awhile back he is not what people think he is. He is fast, but does not look like a 4.3 guy...he does not shift gears very well on a football field, but in daylight he can run by people...he is big..but does not run with power....even if he often takes a crowed to get him down....

The he does not have vision.....I just can't agree with that....I don't see that....at....all....

Far to many times he sets his blockers up, weaves though traffic... he must have hurdled people...like at least 8 times. The dude is a heads up runner, he is not a low guy that just absorbs random impacts and just powers though...the dude looks for day light. All those screens and dump off passes that he looked for blocking to break off a chunk play. All the times he looked to chip or pick up a blitz...

The dude does not have an awareness problem.

I think the biggest problem is the dude does not have the quickness or feet to be a WR, and he probably should have been one...so he ended up as a 3rd down/ change of pace back. As a RB he can't plant and go, I don't think he has that one step burst that works so well in the NFL.

I do not think he is some huge weapon in the NFL, I think the dude should be a 3rd down utility back. Let him work in the passing game, let him pass block...but who knows.....Maybe the dude totally proves me wrong...lord knows he is on the right team to do that. 49ers have a long history of getting guys over 5 yards without getting touched. They might be able to feed this dude enough daylight that he can hit top gear and chew off chunk plays.

Guy has an odd mix of unfair criticism and unrealistic expectations imo....we shall see

Could he be an eventual Juice replacement, tho?

This is what I assumed he was taken for during the draft.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup, it never should have even been a question. Ppl that argued otherwise must have never played football, it's physically impossible to get "tackled" or tripped into a baseball slide lol

It is physically possible, though, to choose to fall a certain way because someone fell onto your heel. And the guy's head did fall onto his heel. I assume people that argue it's black and white have never played football.

Whether he chose to slide or not and at which video frame he chose to do so, the guy caught up with him from behind either way.

it's only possible when you are waiting/wanting to go down..

Practicing how to fall is a real thing. Ball carriers will practice these techniques and there's plenty of videos out there, as you can imagine, with skateboarders doing so.

It doesn't mean that you are wanting to do something. It's about practicing things like this so much that it can become second nature in some instances. But yes, you can be tripped up and choose to kick 1 leg out forward as a result.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup, it never should have even been a question. Ppl that argued otherwise must have never played football, it's physically impossible to get "tackled" or tripped into a baseball slide lol

It is physically possible, though, to choose to fall a certain way because someone fell onto your heel. And the guy's head did fall onto his heel. I assume people that argue it's black and white have never played football.

Whether he chose to slide or not and at which video frame he chose to do so, the guy caught up with him from behind either way.

it's only possible when you are waiting/wanting to go down..

Practicing how to fall is a real thing. Ball carriers will practice these techniques and there's plenty of videos out there, as you can imagine, with skateboarders doing so.

It doesn't mean that you are wanting to do something. It's about practicing things like this so much that it can become second nature in some instances. But yes, you can be tripped up and choose to kick 1 leg out forward as a result.

practicing how to fall when expected gets you the proper drop down.. falling when not expected or not wanting to go down doesn't (physics)

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
This guy has no vision and goes down so easy ...

The only thing he has is untouched speed. He honestly cant hold a candle the McCaffrey or Mason.

He's at best and occasional rb3 rb4. He will never carry a team.

Every time he gets the ball I expect 1-3 yards max...

You make this assessment from a total of 22 carries in his rookie season.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup, it never should have even been a question. Ppl that argued otherwise must have never played football, it's physically impossible to get "tackled" or tripped into a baseball slide lol

It is physically possible, though, to choose to fall a certain way because someone fell onto your heel. And the guy's head did fall onto his heel. I assume people that argue it's black and white have never played football.

Whether he chose to slide or not and at which video frame he chose to do so, the guy caught up with him from behind either way.

it's only possible when you are waiting/wanting to go down..

Practicing how to fall is a real thing. Ball carriers will practice these techniques and there's plenty of videos out there, as you can imagine, with skateboarders doing so.

It doesn't mean that you are wanting to do something. It's about practicing things like this so much that it can become second nature in some instances. But yes, you can be tripped up and choose to kick 1 leg out forward as a result.

practicing how to fall when expected gets you the proper drop down.. falling when not expected or not wanting to go down doesn't (physics)

He just doesn't want to be wrong lol. Apparently physics approves a helmet falling onto a heel causing an unwanted or unintentional I should say, baseball slide. The funny thing with his argument is that it makes no sense.

@random, initially you argued that he was "tackled" and got caught from behind, causing him to go down. Now you are saying that he chose to go down a certain way because someone fell on his heel. Keyword chose. Both can't be true.