Isaac Guerendo-RB-Louisville 2024 NFL Draft

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

SD's original post that I replied to said that Guerendo:

• only runs outside.
• Inside he's scared of contact
• has no vision.

I pointed out that not a single scouting report said that, nor do any of our eyes tell us that by watching him play. Every one of those bullet points are categorically false

I dont know how much you want to get bogged down to semantics, but many scouting reports have said that he bounces outside - and college tape AND NFL tape so far have corroborated that. Now obviously he doesnt ONLY run outside, so while technically youre correct, the bigger implication here is that he does have a tendency to bounce outside when there are holes to be had inside.

Vision was also mentioned as his weakness in some scouting reports, although not as often as bouncing outside/short yardage and too easy to bring down....
and it was exhibited - again- on college and NFL film alike so far. A few times he didnt wait for the hole to open up and ended up using his athleticism to bounce outside.

But again, saying he has "no vision" would technically imply hes blind and thats clearly not that.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

SD's original post that I replied to said that Guerendo:

• only runs outside.
• Inside he's scared of contact
• has no vision.

I pointed out that not a single scouting report said that, nor do any of our eyes tell us that by watching him play. Every one of those bullet points are categorically false

I dont know how much you want to get bogged down to semantics, but many scouting reports have said that he bounces outside - and college tape AND NFL tape so far have corroborated that. Now obviously he doesnt ONLY run outside, so while technically youre correct, the bigger implication here is that he does have a tendency to bounce outside when there are holes to be had inside.

Vision was also mentioned as his weakness in some scouting reports, although not as often as bouncing outside/short yardage and too easy to bring down....
and it was exhibited - again- on college and NFL film alike so far. A few times he didnt wait for the hole to open up and ended up using his athleticism to bounce outside.

But again, saying he has "no vision" would technically imply hes blind and thats clearly not that.

He's playing a semantics game here.

* Nobody only runs outside. He FAVORS OUTSIDE. Feel better?
* He doesn't love contact inside. That's true. Not the bulldozer that Mason is.
* Lacks vision inside. Feel better?

I hated the way he ran the first few games. Missed holes, ran hesitant. The last two games he has looked completely different. Hits the hole fast and accelerates through it.

I wouldn't mind him running into the back of the o-line once a game if it means he breaks out for one 50 yd run a game.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

SD's original post that I replied to said that Guerendo:

• only runs outside.
• Inside he's scared of contact
• has no vision.

I pointed out that not a single scouting report said that, nor do any of our eyes tell us that by watching him play. Every one of those bullet points are categorically false

I dont know how much you want to get bogged down to semantics, but many scouting reports have said that he bounces outside - and college tape AND NFL tape so far have corroborated that. Now obviously he doesnt ONLY run outside, so while technically youre correct, the bigger implication here is that he does have a tendency to bounce outside when there are holes to be had inside.

Vision was also mentioned as his weakness in some scouting reports, although not as often as bouncing outside/short yardage and too easy to bring down....
and it was exhibited - again- on college and NFL film alike so far. A few times he didnt wait for the hole to open up and ended up using his athleticism to bounce outside.

But again, saying he has "no vision" would technically imply hes blind and thats clearly not that.

The scouting reports said that he sometimes had a tendency to bounce to the outside rather than waiting for the holes to open up. But this is a patience issue, not a vision issue. I didnt see vision being listed as a weakness in any of the scouting reports. In fact, some had vision as a strength.

I'm not gonna lie, I was pretty worried after his first run, when he tripped over his OL hitting the hole. He had plenty of room to get quite a few yards. I was like

but he had himself a day after that. I think he's still getting use to game day speed and keeping his balance after contact. I think he'll continue to get better with those two with more carries.

He did hit the holes a lot quicker than Mason. I'll give him that. No dancing from him. If only he had Mosterts balance. Maybe pick up surfing 🏄‍♂️ in the offseason

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The scouting reports said that he sometimes had a tendency to bounce to the outside rather than waiting for the holes to open up. But this is a patience issue, not a vision issue. I didnt see vision being listed as a weakness in any of the scouting reports. In fact, some had vision as a strength.

He is infact a vision runner....

He keeps his head up, eyes open... Roger Craig, Eric Dickerson, Marcus Allen were all heads up runners ..

It seldom works in the NFL...

I love that running style, but guys get hurt with it...and sometimes it is just compensating for a guys with no feel for the running game, or...to simply avoid contact

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The scouting reports said that he sometimes had a tendency to bounce to the outside rather than waiting for the holes to open up. But this is a patience issue, not a vision issue. I didnt see vision being listed as a weakness in any of the scouting reports. In fact, some had vision as a strength.

He is infact a vision runner....

He keeps his head up, eyes open... Roger Craig, Eric Dickerson, Marcus Allen were all heads up runners ..

It seldom works in the NFL...

I love that running style, but guys get hurt with it...and sometimes it is just compensating for a guys with no feel for the running game, or...to simply avoid contact

You have to run a little lower and with power inside. He's an upright runner and the reviews and me also told you that. But he's fine for what he does. Mason is Thuder and Guerendo is Lightning. Nothing wrong with a 1, 2 like that as backup to CMC or in case he's injured. Like now. It's two guys doing what one guy does. But neither being as good in the passing game like CMC. Both are effective in their own way though.

Originally posted by Second2Nunley:

I hated the way he ran the first few games. Missed holes, ran hesitant. The last two games he has looked completely different. Hits the hole fast and accelerates through it.

Completely agree. I admit I was too hasty in thinking he would continue to have the problems he displayed in college. He's showing development and that's a really positive sign going forward.

I think he can replace Mason as the #2 going forward honestly. Mason is a talented runner but man the boneheaded mistakes popped up more than I'd like this year. He's definitely worth keeping but I would not be surprised to see him traded like Jeff Wilson was, especially when we are really going to need to shore up other areas going forward.

OT, C, DT, DE, LB, TE2 and S come to mind.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Looks like Steve Wallace has to eat crow. Because the reviews say what I said. Not what he said. I never said he was useless. Most of his good runs are what I said. OUTSIDE. Watch the games. Occasionally he will get a good block from a star like Puni and run inside. But that's the hole by Puni that opened it. His big runs and even the kick return in the preseason are OUTSIDE. Even the 2 slides now where he could have scored and probably should have are OUTSIDE. Again better OUTSIDE runner. Glad he's doing well. I was never against him. He has speed and is effective with that. Just slamming into the pile is more Mason territory.

You were wrong, it's ok

No it looks like he was.

Its ok

Yeah I know it's ok I was right and you guys were wrong. Once again.

You guys act like kids.

Takes one to know one!

If Mason is thunder and IG is lightning what is CMC? Hailstorm? Volcanic activity?

Originally posted by derrickt:
If Mason is thunder and IG is lightning what is CMC? Hailstorm? Volcanic activity?

CMC s**ts thunder and pisses lightning

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The scouting reports said that he sometimes had a tendency to bounce to the outside rather than waiting for the holes to open up. But this is a patience issue, not a vision issue. I didnt see vision being listed as a weakness in any of the scouting reports. In fact, some had vision as a strength.

He is infact a vision runner....

He keeps his head up, eyes open... Roger Craig, Eric Dickerson, Marcus Allen were all heads up runners ..

It seldom works in the NFL...

I love that running style, but guys get hurt with it...and sometimes it is just compensating for a guys with no feel for the running game, or...to simply avoid contact

You have to run a little lower and with power inside. He's an upright runner and the reviews and me also told you that. But he's fine for what he does. Mason is Thuder and Guerendo is Lightning. Nothing wrong with a 1, 2 like that as backup to CMC or in case he's injured. Like now. It's two guys doing what one guy does. But neither being as good in the passing game like CMC. Both are effective in their own way though.

I have been saying since before you joined this thread.....running low and with power is not what Endo does. That is not his natural style....could he learn it...? maybe...but he is not a natural low center of gravity guy.

I have no problem with your "outside runner" take, or your "avoids contact" take.....If we are to re-word it..to does not seek contact.... I think that is more fair....there are far too many runs that it takes multiple people to get him down just do to his size. The best way to word it...would be...lacks power and foot speed to make his own hole....

My main issue is you and I are on polar opposite ends when it comes to vision....

The guy plain as day is an upright vision runner...he does not have the one cut burst, or feet to capitalize on it as some of the few success stories in the NFL had (upright guys)....but the dude has awareness of what is going on.

I really think this guys entire career he is going to be the canary in the coal mine. Simple as that.....if the line can get him 3 or 4 yards down field with little contact he has the speed to make that work....if the line can't do that....he at best is going to be a fall forward type back.

I don't think you could just drop him on any team and produce.... he really is a referendum on the 49ers o-line. I get most backs are to a degree...I just don't t think the dude will make a lot of nothing turn into something...

The best use of him would be Craig 2.0 or maybe a 49ers version of Ricky Watters with deeper pass patterns. I hope in the future the 49ers lean more into his utility tool kit.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I'm not gonna lie, I was pretty worried after his first run, when he tripped over his OL hitting the hole. He had plenty of room to get quite a few yards. I was like

but he had himself a day after that. I think he's still getting use to game day speed and keeping his balance after contact. I think he'll continue to get better with those two with more carries.

He did hit the holes a lot quicker than Mason. I'll give him that. No dancing from him. If only he had Mosterts balance. Maybe pick up surfing 🏄‍♂️ in the offseason

lol yup

Originally posted by Heroism:
Mason clearly ain't right. They need to give IG more carries.

Maze a small guy, he's eventually gonna burn out... we can have Thunder and Lighting between the two... This remind me of the old Eagles backfield in Charlie Gardner and Hershel Walker.