*** 2024-25 Depth Chart, 53-Man Roster, & TC Battles***

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:
Dobbs has this tendency to get wildly inaccurate so Allen is the safer pick for #2

A big part of a QBs accuracy is just *knowing* the play and being able to anticipate where the windows are, and set your mechanics ahead of the windows opening. So in Dobbs case, he's been a lot more accurate vs guys like Darnold, Hoyer, and BeatHard. To me, he's a better backup than Allen.

If you're job is to manage the game then I would go with Allen, Dobbs freelances too much which is prone to mistakes.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:
Dobbs has this tendency to get wildly inaccurate so Allen is the safer pick for #2

A big part of a QBs accuracy is just *knowing* the play and being able to anticipate where the windows are, and set your mechanics ahead of the windows opening. So in Dobbs case, he's been a lot more accurate vs guys like Darnold, Hoyer, and BeatHard. To me, he's a better backup than Allen.

If you're job is to manage the game then I would go with Allen, Dobbs freelances too much which is prone to mistakes.

Given Shanahan's conservative bent, I would see this as being his primary reason to make Allen #2.

Here's my take ...

Roster Exemptions
The 49ers will be able to keep the following players as roster exemptions:
Reserve/Did not report list: (1)
T. Williams

They did the same thing with Nick Bosa last year. I did wonder whether they might do this with Brandon Aiyuk - which would explain why the 49ers haven't sealed the deal with him yet but I don't think Aiyuk is be eligible for a roster exemption because he has reported and is 'holding-in.'

PUP: (2)
D. Greenlaw, T. Hufanga

As I understand it teams can put 2 players on IR prior to cutdown that will be eligible to return this season. Therefore -
IR: (2)
K. Davis, J. Feliciano

Initial 53-man roster:

Offense - 26
QB: (3)
B. Purdy, J. Dobbs, B. Allen

FB: (1)
K. Juszczyk

RB: (4)
C. McCaffrey, J. Mason, E. Mitchell, I. Guerendo

TE: (4)
G. Kittle, E. Saubert, B. Wills, C. Latu

WR: (6)
B. Aiyuk, D. Samuel, J. Jennings, J. Cowing, R. Pearsall, C. Conley

There's a chance the 49ers will agree to re-sign Chris Conley as a vested veteran (i.e. he doesn't hit waivers and so the 49ers can cut him safe in the knowledge that they have already agreed they will resign him). If this is the case the will keep Ronnie Bell instead of Conley and then immediately resign Conley once they have made some post cutdown moves to put someone on IR.

OL: (8)
J. Moore, A. Banks, J. Brendel, D. Puni, C. McKivitz, J. Kingston, N. Zakelj, S. Burford

Defense: 24
DL: (8)
N.Bosa, M. Collins, J. Hargrave, Y. Gross-Matos, L. Floyd, J. Elliot, K. Givens, R. Beal

LB: (6)
F. Warner, D. Campbell, D. Winters, D. Flannigan-Fowles, J. Graham, C. Robinson

This is the most difficult decision. I genuinely think the 49ers might keep Tatum Bethune as well and so keep 7 LBs. I believe this because I think LBs will be really important on kick-offs this season. However, most likely they will probably try to trade someone and I think Curtis Robinson would be the most likely to be traded and so they would keep Bethune. That said, I've based the above on the assumption no trade takes place - in which case Bethune just misses out.
If the 49ers don't keep 7 LBs then I think they will keep 7 CBs.

CB: (7)
C. Ward, D. Lenoir, I. Yiadom, R. Green, D. Luter Jr, R. Ya-Sin, S.Womack III

I think the 49ers will keep these 7 CBs because I think they may immediately move Yiadom to IR. I also think they will keep 7 CBs because they will only keep 3 Safeties initially.

S: (3)
J. Brown, G. Odum, M. Mustapha

Special Teams: 3
K: (1)
J. Moody

P: (1)
M. Wishnowsky

LS: (1)
T. Pepper

Post cutdown roster moves
Immediately after the roster cutdown the 49ers will look to move a number of players to IR to accommodate signing Trent Williams and (hopefully) so they can sign (or potentially trade for) some DL help.

I'm sure there will be at least one player moved to IR that we (as fans) didn't know was injured. But based on what we do know at present here are my most likely candidates to be moved to IR post the roster cutdown:
Ricky Pearsall - Whilst it will be disappointing, I'm certain Brandon Aiyuk will resign and so combined with the promise showed by Jacob Cowing the 49ers are loaded at WR and so can afford to take their time with Pearsall.
Isaac Yiadom - As I said earlier I think the 49ers will keep 7 CBs because they will move Yiadom to IR.
Elijah Mitchell - I think Jordan Mason has established himself as RB2 and Isaac Guerendo will play a role on Special Teams. Therefore, Mitchell may not suit up on game days initially. Hence I think the 49ers might look to stash him on IR at the start of the season because technically he is injured at present.

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:
If you are talking actual surprises, I would say

• Elijah Mitchell - minimal dead cap and hold onto the developmental RB (Cody Schrader)
• Dre Greenlaw - save $7M with $3M dead cap this year. The argument here is that you like the young talent at LB (Dee Winters, D Flannigan-Fowles, Jalen Graham, Curtis Robinson, Tatum Bethune), Greenlaw is in a contract year and also coming off a serious injury.
• Mitch Wishnowsky - minimal dead cap and hold onto to cheaper option (Pressley Harvin)

Yeah…no.

There's no way they cut Greenlaw after how LBs looked this preseason. Even if they all looked great, they still probably wouldn't cut Greenlaw because hes one of the heart and soul guys on this squad.

Right now I don't think Winters or DFF can start for any prolonged period of time. Curtis Robinson has looked good but hes a wild card not having experience on defense in actual games. Bethune is a rookie and might not even make 53. Graham is on the bubble as well.

This team is a Warner injury away from having to start three shaky guys at LB

Originally posted by 1849er:
Here's my take ...

Roster Exemptions
The 49ers will be able to keep the following players as roster exemptions:
Reserve/Did not report list: (1)
T. Williams

They did the same thing with Nick Bosa last year. I did wonder whether they might do this with Brandon Aiyuk - which would explain why the 49ers haven't sealed the deal with him yet but I don't think Aiyuk is be eligible for a roster exemption because he has reported and is 'holding-in.'

PUP: (2)
D. Greenlaw, T. Hufanga

As I understand it teams can put 2 players on IR prior to cutdown that will be eligible to return this season. Therefore -
IR: (2)
K. Davis, J. Feliciano

Initial 53-man roster:

Offense - 26
QB: (3)
B. Purdy, J. Dobbs, B. Allen

FB: (1)
K. Juszczyk

RB: (4)
C. McCaffrey, J. Mason, E. Mitchell, I. Guerendo

TE: (4)
G. Kittle, E. Saubert, B. Wills, C. Latu

WR: (6)
B. Aiyuk, D. Samuel, J. Jennings, J. Cowing, R. Pearsall, C. Conley

There's a chance the 49ers will agree to re-sign Chris Conley as a vested veteran (i.e. he doesn't hit waivers and so the 49ers can cut him safe in the knowledge that they have already agreed they will resign him). If this is the case the will keep Ronnie Bell instead of Conley and then immediately resign Conley once they have made some post cutdown moves to put someone on IR.

OL: (8)
J. Moore, A. Banks, J. Brendel, D. Puni, C. McKivitz, J. Kingston, N. Zakelj, S. Burford

Defense: 24
DL: (8)
N.Bosa, M. Collins, J. Hargrave, Y. Gross-Matos, L. Floyd, J. Elliot, K. Givens, R. Beal

LB: (6)
F. Warner, D. Campbell, D. Winters, D. Flannigan-Fowles, J. Graham, C. Robinson

This is the most difficult decision. I genuinely think the 49ers might keep Tatum Bethune as well and so keep 7 LBs. I believe this because I think LBs will be really important on kick-offs this season. However, most likely they will probably try to trade someone and I think Curtis Robinson would be the most likely to be traded and so they would keep Bethune. That said, I've based the above on the assumption no trade takes place - in which case Bethune just misses out.
If the 49ers don't keep 7 LBs then I think they will keep 7 CBs.

CB: (7)
C. Ward, D. Lenoir, I. Yiadom, R. Green, D. Luter Jr, R. Ya-Sin, S.Womack III

I think the 49ers will keep these 7 CBs because I think they may immediately move Yiadom to IR. I also think they will keep 7 CBs because they will only keep 3 Safeties initially.

S: (3)
J. Brown, G. Odum, M. Mustapha

Special Teams: 3
K: (1)
J. Moody

P: (1)
M. Wishnowsky

LS: (1)
T. Pepper

Post cutdown roster moves
Immediately after the roster cutdown the 49ers will look to move a number of players to IR to accommodate signing Trent Williams and (hopefully) so they can sign (or potentially trade for) some DL help.

I'm sure there will be at least one player moved to IR that we (as fans) didn't know was injured. But based on what we do know at present here are my most likely candidates to be moved to IR post the roster cutdown:
Ricky Pearsall - Whilst it will be disappointing, I'm certain Brandon Aiyuk will resign and so combined with the promise showed by Jacob Cowing the 49ers are loaded at WR and so can afford to take their time with Pearsall.
Isaac Yiadom - As I said earlier I think the 49ers will keep 7 CBs because they will move Yiadom to IR.
Elijah Mitchell - I think Jordan Mason has established himself as RB2 and Isaac Guerendo will play a role on Special Teams. Therefore, Mitchell may not suit up on game days initially. Hence I think the 49ers might look to stash him on IR at the start of the season because technically he is injured at present.

I like your takes and agree on a lot of this. My main takeaway is that Trent Williams is still under contract and therefore he needs to be on the initial 53. Unless I'm wrong and that roster exemption you mentioned at the beginning plays to the Niners favor on the initial 53.

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Who's everyone's surprise cuts?

Im guessing : Latu, Bell

If you are talking actual surprises, I would say

• Elijah Mitchell - minimal dead cap and hold onto the developmental RB (Cody Schrader)
• Dre Greenlaw - save $7M with $3M dead cap this year. The argument here is that you like the young talent at LB (Dee Winters, D Flannigan-Fowles, Jalen Graham, Curtis Robinson, Tatum Bethune), Greenlaw is in a contract year and also coming off a serious injury.
• Mitch Wishnowsky - minimal dead cap and hold onto to cheaper option (Pressley Harvin)

Cutting Dre would be extremely bad for the locker room. Players would not see this positively. I think we get a decent enough deal signing him to 2 years. If he's cut he's gone and a team like Buf that needs a ilb would also him up.

Mitch is popular and can tackle. Not sure if the savings is worth it, but Harvin has been a great preseason punter.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
There's no way they cut Greenlaw after how LBs looked this preseason. Even if they all looked great, they still probably wouldn't cut Greenlaw because hes one of the heart and soul guys on this squad.

Right now I don't think Winters or DFF can start for any prolonged period of time. Curtis Robinson has looked good but hes a wild card not having experience on defense in actual games. Bethune is a rookie and might not even make 53. Graham is on the bubble as well.

This team is a Warner injury away from having to start three shaky guys at LB

Agree 💯 % that it's too soon to cut Greenlaw. Who knows, he might be actually *better* comming off a knee injury. Having said that, odds are against it of course. Yup, let's wait to see how his recovery is going. In the meantime I like how they might have his replacement on the team already.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Who's everyone's surprise cuts?

Im guessing : Latu, Bell

If you are talking actual surprises, I would say

• Elijah Mitchell - minimal dead cap and hold onto the developmental RB (Cody Schrader)
• Dre Greenlaw - save $7M with $3M dead cap this year. The argument here is that you like the young talent at LB (Dee Winters, D Flannigan-Fowles, Jalen Graham, Curtis Robinson, Tatum Bethune), Greenlaw is in a contract year and also coming off a serious injury.
• Mitch Wishnowsky - minimal dead cap and hold onto to cheaper option (Pressley Harvin)

Cutting Dre would be extremely bad for the locker room. Players would not see this positively. I think we get a decent enough deal signing him to 2 years. If he's cut he's gone and a team like Buf that needs a ilb would also him up.

Mitch is popular and can tackle. Not sure if the savings is worth it, but Harvin has been a great preseason punter.

Yes cutting a guy who is beloved in the locker room and is a huge vibes guy on defense and was seen as a "if he stays healthy we win the SB"

Cutting him after an injury like that would be absolutely a slap in the face of the locker room and destroy the culture they've built. It's not going to happen.

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Who's everyone's surprise cuts?

Im guessing : Latu, Bell

If you are talking actual surprises, I would say

• Elijah Mitchell - minimal dead cap and hold onto the developmental RB (Cody Schrader)
• Dre Greenlaw - save $7M with $3M dead cap this year. The argument here is that you like the young talent at LB (Dee Winters, D Flannigan-Fowles, Jalen Graham, Curtis Robinson, Tatum Bethune), Greenlaw is in a contract year and also coming off a serious injury.
• Mitch Wishnowsky - minimal dead cap and hold onto to cheaper option (Pressley Harvin)

You can't cut an injured player without having to pay him his salary, so Dre & Mitch aren't going anywhere.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:
Dobbs has this tendency to get wildly inaccurate so Allen is the safer pick for #2

A big part of a QBs accuracy is just *knowing* the play and being able to anticipate where the windows are, and set your mechanics ahead of the windows opening. So in Dobbs case, he's been a lot more accurate vs guys like Darnold, Hoyer, and BeatHard. To me, he's a better backup than Allen.

If you're job is to manage the game then I would go with Allen, Dobbs freelances too much which is prone to mistakes.

I think Kyle's offensive system will reduce the amount of freelancing Dobbs has to do because it's so based on the ground game, especially with CMC, Mitchell and Mason.

As for accuracy, it takes two to tango. If a WR can't separate, it's going to be a contested ball versus a go ball where Cowing just flat out beats his guy and has a huge separation from the defender.

I think the playaction nature of this offense really helps Dobbs and Tanners accuracy. Add in both Tanners and Mordecai's footspeed and that adds another dimension to this offense. Allen, to me, should be the one going to the PS.

Any chance in hell tanner can make roster?

Originally posted by JMC52:
Any chance in hell tanner can make roster?

I doubt it and I think he'd be content to be on a practice squad at this point. Just to be on a team developing after going undrafted is a win. IMO

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:
Dobbs has this tendency to get wildly inaccurate so Allen is the safer pick for #2

A big part of a QBs accuracy is just *knowing* the play and being able to anticipate where the windows are, and set your mechanics ahead of the windows opening. So in Dobbs case, he's been a lot more accurate vs guys like Darnold, Hoyer, and BeatHard. To me, he's a better backup than Allen.

If you're job is to manage the game then I would go with Allen, Dobbs freelances too much which is prone to mistakes.

I think Kyle's offensive system will reduce the amount of freelancing Dobbs has to do because it's so based on the ground game, especially with CMC, Mitchell and Mason.

As for accuracy, it takes two to tango. If a WR can't separate, it's going to be a contested ball versus a go ball where Cowing just flat out beats his guy and has a huge separation from the defender.

I think the playaction nature of this offense really helps Dobbs and Tanners accuracy. Add in both Tanners and Mordecai's footspeed and that adds another dimension to this offense. Allen, to me, should be the one going to the PS.

Honestly, all you need is the back up to play it safe until your starter comes back. So that's why it doesn't matter to me who the back up is at this point. We been through all this analyzing before about what back up is better, in the end it's always the one who can manage the offense with Shanahan. What Dobbs is also good for is emulating the opposing QB in practice, that helps a lot too.