2024 Training camp news/highlights

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Kyle believes he can scheme around the crap on the Oline. We shall see this again. Now we can all wait for the trashing by the folks that disagree, and the lack of critical thinking about our team. I do this every off season with the same caca coming back at us.

Sounds like it's the OL coach more than anything. Prior to Foerster they invest a top 10 pick at OT and spent a s**t ton on a center.

It may be...He even said that it's better to invest top picks on skill players and develope later picks. It's coming back to bite us so will see this year how that works out. They are going to have to pay TW or we are screwed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Kyle believes he can scheme around the crap on the Oline. We shall see this again. Now we can all wait for the trashing by the folks that disagree, and the lack of critical thinking about our team. I do this every off season with the same caca coming back at us.

Sounds like it's the OL coach more than anything. Prior to Foerster they invest a top 10 pick at OT and spent a s**t ton on a center.

Foerster isn't a bad coach. He's developed Banks, and McKivitz isn't the worst OT in the NFL. Brendel was a credible starter even though undrafted. Point being, I think ShanaLynch has to reign in Chris and force feed him some talent. Similar to how Jed and John had to force feed CMC to Kyle versus Kyle not trading for CMC (and him possibly winding up teaming with McVay down south).

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've been having this OL argument for years. Kyle is an offensive guy that likes weapons so that's where they put their money. This is another issue tied to the huge contracts some players are asking for. When you pay 5 or 6 guys 20-40 million per year it takes up about 60% of your cap. It doesn't leave much for the other 47 players. O linemen who are usually among the lower paid guys want their money too so they often end up leaving to try out free agency. Then your team is back to square one. No continuity in the line. The O line seems to have way more turnover than it used to.

not that much turnover recently.. but we are not the only team that has turnover at the O Line position.

you need weapons, all the top OLs sat and watched the playoffs/SB

McGlinchey left for more money. He wasn't a great pass blocker (few are any more) but he was a very good run blocker. The let Lakin Tomlinson walk because he wanted more than they were willing to pay. It's not just O linemen. Several players have left for more money elsewhere because the 49ers felt they couldn't afford to pay them. There is no way having 5 or 6 players eating up 60% or ore of the salary cap is good for any team.

The NFL owners have been have discussions about this because they see it getting worse all the time. They're talked about a separate cap for QBs which I've been saying they need for some time. How long will it be before some QB signs for a $100 million per year.

Niners aren't going to overpay for guys that aren't worth it. It was more of the 49ers letting them go, than them being too expensive to keep

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've been having this OL argument for years. Kyle is an offensive guy that likes weapons so that's where they put their money. This is another issue tied to the huge contracts some players are asking for. When you pay 5 or 6 guys 20-40 million per year it takes up about 60% of your cap. It doesn't leave much for the other 47 players. O linemen who are usually among the lower paid guys want their money too so they often end up leaving to try out free agency. Then your team is back to square one. No continuity in the line. The O line seems to have way more turnover than it used to.

not that much turnover recently.. but we are not the only team that has turnover at the O Line position.

you need weapons, all the top OLs sat and watched the playoffs/SB

McGlinchey left for more money. He wasn't a great pass blocker (few are any more) but he was a very good run blocker. The let Lakin Tomlinson walk because he wanted more than they were willing to pay. It's not just O linemen. Several players have left for more money elsewhere because the 49ers felt they couldn't afford to pay them. There is no way having 5 or 6 players eating up 60% or ore of the salary cap is good for any team.

The NFL owners have been have discussions about this because they see it getting worse all the time. They're talked about a separate cap for QBs which I've been saying they need for some time. How long will it be before some QB signs for a $100 million per year.

Niners aren't going to overpay for guys that aren't worth it. It was more of the 49ers letting them go, then them being too expensive to keep

Agree, Aaron Banks replaced Laken Tomlinson, and McKivitz replaced McGlinchey, all without any real hiccups or disasters. Both (Banks/McKivitz) were cheaper than who they replaced.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We're just talking man. Currently we have our career backup LT taking all the 1st string reps (who has never been good) and will be forced to pay a 36 yr old Trent whatever he wants. One because he's awesome and two because we never bring in legit competition or have any sort of plan there.

I don't care if Kinsley is gonna be great or not. They at least invested there and know you can't pay everyone massive money when you're paying a QB (among others).

It's frustrating man. Instead of legit investing in one of the most important positions on offensive (OT) they continuously ignore it and instead blow a bunch of picks at freaking RB.

My thoughts also. Not going after the best talent for the o line is getting old. How do you trade with Kansas City and let them take the best tackle on the board?

Kyle believes he can scheme around the crap on the Oline. We shall see this again. Now we can all wait for the trashing by the folks that disagree, and the lack of critical thinking about our team. I do this every off season with the same caca coming back at us.

crap OLs don't make it to Superbowl, let alone 3 NFCCGs in a row.

if there was any critical thinking. you would know the OL wasn't the reason once again we lost.

They made it despite the Oline w TW.

with that logic, KC did the same

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Kyle believes he can scheme around the crap on the Oline. We shall see this again. Now we can all wait for the trashing by the folks that disagree, and the lack of critical thinking about our team. I do this every off season with the same caca coming back at us.

Sounds like it's the OL coach more than anything. Prior to Foerster they invest a top 10 pick at OT and spent a s**t ton on a center.

Foerster isn't a bad coach. He's developed Banks, and McKivitz isn't the worst OT in the NFL. Brendel was a credible starter even though undrafted. Point being, I think ShanaLynch has to reign in Chris and force feed him some talent. Similar to how Jed and John had to force feed CMC to Kyle versus Kyle not trading for CMC (and him possibly winding up teaming with McVay down south).

He's been given low round picks and UDFA's.

He's expected to make miracles?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We're just talking man. Currently we have our career backup LT taking all the 1st string reps (who has never been good) and will be forced to pay a 36 yr old Trent whatever he wants. One because he's awesome and two because we never bring in legit competition or have any sort of plan there.

I don't care if Kinsley is gonna be great or not. They at least invested there and know you can't pay everyone massive money when you're paying a QB (among others).

It's frustrating man. Instead of legit investing in one of the most important positions on offensive (OT) they continuously ignore it and instead blow a bunch of picks at freaking RB.

My thoughts also. Not going after the best talent for the o line is getting old. How do you trade with Kansas City and let them take the best tackle on the board?

Kyle believes he can scheme around the crap on the Oline. We shall see this again. Now we can all wait for the trashing by the folks that disagree, and the lack of critical thinking about our team. I do this every off season with the same caca coming back at us.

crap OLs don't make it to Superbowl, let alone 3 NFCCGs in a row.

if there was any critical thinking. you would know the OL wasn't the reason once again we lost.

They made it despite the Oline w TW.

with that logic, KC did the same

Not really their line was better..if not at least played better.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Kyle believes he can scheme around the crap on the Oline. We shall see this again. Now we can all wait for the trashing by the folks that disagree, and the lack of critical thinking about our team. I do this every off season with the same caca coming back at us.

Sounds like it's the OL coach more than anything. Prior to Foerster they invest a top 10 pick at OT and spent a s**t ton on a center.

Foerster isn't a bad coach. He's developed Banks, and McKivitz isn't the worst OT in the NFL. Brendel was a credible starter even though undrafted. Point being, I think ShanaLynch has to reign in Chris and force feed him some talent. Similar to how Jed and John had to force feed CMC to Kyle versus Kyle not trading for CMC (and him possibly winding up teaming with McVay down south).

I agree

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Looking like Suamataia is taking all the 1st team reps at LT in KC…

Kyle had to have another WR though. It doesn't matter if the OL can't block Purdy. I swear he doesn't pay attention to what's happening in the SB. Two years KC destroyed our OL and we really couldn't do much because of it. Oh well.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've been having this OL argument for years. Kyle is an offensive guy that likes weapons so that's where they put their money. This is another issue tied to the huge contracts some players are asking for. When you pay 5 or 6 guys 20-40 million per year it takes up about 60% of your cap. It doesn't leave much for the other 47 players. O linemen who are usually among the lower paid guys want their money too so they often end up leaving to try out free agency. Then your team is back to square one. No continuity in the line. The O line seems to have way more turnover than it used to.

not that much turnover recently.. but we are not the only team that has turnover at the O Line position.

you need weapons, all the top OLs sat and watched the playoffs/SB

McGlinchey left for more money. He wasn't a great pass blocker (few are any more) but he was a very good run blocker. The let Lakin Tomlinson walk because he wanted more than they were willing to pay. It's not just O linemen. Several players have left for more money elsewhere because the 49ers felt they couldn't afford to pay them. There is no way having 5 or 6 players eating up 60% or ore of the salary cap is good for any team.

The NFL owners have been have discussions about this because they see it getting worse all the time. They're talked about a separate cap for QBs which I've been saying they need for some time. How long will it be before some QB signs for a $100 million per year.

Niners aren't going to overpay for guys that aren't worth it. It was more of the 49ers letting them go, than them being too expensive to keep

You say overpay. To those players they were underpaid. It's not about what any of us feels is right. My point is even average players feel some jealousy and want more money when they see some players getting paid 10-15 times more than they are. I'm sure some of you have worked some place where a new person comes in and is paid more than you or a co-worker that you feel is worthless is getting paid the same or more than you. It's just human nature to feel that way.

The other part of letting guys go is you are now faced with going with some backup on your roster or going out and finding a free agent. That could end up costing even more. I'm a big fan of continuity on the O line. It was one of the hallmarks of those great Niner teams. Some of the best teams ever had those great O lines that played together for several years. It's harder now because of free agency but it's no less important.

aybOriginally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've been having this OL argument for years. Kyle is an offensive guy that likes weapons so that's where they put their money. This is another issue tied to the huge contracts some players are asking for. When you pay 5 or 6 guys 20-40 million per year it takes up about 60% of your cap. It doesn't leave much for the other 47 players. O linemen who are usually among the lower paid guys want their money too so they often end up leaving to try out free agency. Then your team is back to square one. No continuity in the line. The O line seems to have way more turnover than it used to.

not that much turnover recently.. but we are not the only team that has turnover at the O Line position.

you need weapons, all the top OLs sat and watched the playoffs/SB

McGlinchey left for more money. He wasn't a great pass blocker (few are any more) but he was a very good run blocker. The let Lakin Tomlinson walk because he wanted more than they were willing to pay. It's not just O linemen. Several players have left for more money elsewhere because the 49ers felt they couldn't afford to pay them. There is no way having 5 or 6 players eating up 60% or ore of the salary cap is good for any team.

The NFL owners have been have discussions about this because they see it getting worse all the time. They're talked about a separate cap for QBs which I've been saying they need for some time. How long will it be before some QB signs for a $100 million per year.

Niners aren't going to overpay for guys that aren't worth it. It was more of the 49ers letting them go, than them being too expensive to keep

You say overpay. To those players they were underpaid. It's not about what any of us feels is right. My point is even average players feel some jealousy and want more money when they see some players getting paid 10-15 times more than they are. I'm sure some of you have worked some place where a new person comes in and is paid more than you or a co-worker that you feel is worthless is getting paid the same or more than you. It's just human nature to feel that way.

The other part of letting guys go is you are now faced with going with some backup on your roster or going out and finding a free agent. That could end up costing even more. I'm a big fan of continuity on the O line. It was one of the hallmarks of those great Niner teams. Some of the best teams ever had those great O lines that played together for several years. It's harder now because of free agency but it's no less important.

Maybe the NFL needs to incorporate special salary cap rules with respect to draft slotting. I know there is probably never going to be a one-size-fits-all approach but I'm thinking teams should get more slack in retaining their own draft picks depending on where they were picked. For example, since we struck gold with BP, as the last f**king pick in the 2022 draft, we should be afforded the most slack in retaining BP when it comes to contract extension time - like maybe only 80% of his extension counts against the cap (vs. #1 pick Trevor Lawrence only getting a 5% cushion or something). Anyway..good problem to have, I guess.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've been having this OL argument for years. Kyle is an offensive guy that likes weapons so that's where they put their money. This is another issue tied to the huge contracts some players are asking for. When you pay 5 or 6 guys 20-40 million per year it takes up about 60% of your cap. It doesn't leave much for the other 47 players. O linemen who are usually among the lower paid guys want their money too so they often end up leaving to try out free agency. Then your team is back to square one. No continuity in the line. The O line seems to have way more turnover than it used to.

not that much turnover recently.. but we are not the only team that has turnover at the O Line position.

you need weapons, all the top OLs sat and watched the playoffs/SB

McGlinchey left for more money. He wasn't a great pass blocker (few are any more) but he was a very good run blocker. The let Lakin Tomlinson walk because he wanted more than they were willing to pay. It's not just O linemen. Several players have left for more money elsewhere because the 49ers felt they couldn't afford to pay them. There is no way having 5 or 6 players eating up 60% or ore of the salary cap is good for any team.

The NFL owners have been have discussions about this because they see it getting worse all the time. They're talked about a separate cap for QBs which I've been saying they need for some time. How long will it be before some QB signs for a $100 million per year.

Niners aren't going to overpay for guys that aren't worth it. It was more of the 49ers letting them go, than them being too expensive to keep

You say overpay. To those players they were underpaid. It's not about what any of us feels is right. My point is even average players feel some jealousy and want more money when they see some players getting paid 10-15 times more than they are. I'm sure some of you have worked some place where a new person comes in and is paid more than you or a co-worker that you feel is worthless is getting paid the same or more than you. It's just human nature to feel that way.

The other part of letting guys go is you are now faced with going with some backup on your roster or going out and finding a free agent. That could end up costing even more. I'm a big fan of continuity on the O line. It was one of the hallmarks of those great Niner teams. Some of the best teams ever had those great O lines that played together for several years. It's harder now because of free agency but it's no less important.

My point is not how the player feels they should get. 49ers are not going to overpay for a guy who could do the same for a lower cost.

The line is better now than before

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Looking like Suamataia is taking all the 1st team reps at LT in KC…

Kyle had to have another WR though. It doesn't matter if the OL can't block Purdy. I swear he doesn't pay attention to what's happening in the SB. Two years KC destroyed our OL and we really couldn't do much because of it. Oh well.

There were eight OT's taken before Pearsall, so there must have been a bunch of players taken before Pearsall that they liked in that eight, to choose to go WR instead of drafting an OT at pick #31.

Just eyeballing the draft chart in the draft section of the WebZone, you can get two 2nd round picks for the price of #31st pick in the draft chart. 49ers traded their 2nd rounder with the Chiefs to get a second and a fifth round pick, and the Chiefs got Sumataia. If the 49ers do not prioritize their OLine, and that they were willing to trade three first round picks to get Trey, I would think they would be willing to trade down their first pick - get two seconds, get their DLine and their OLine in one go in each draft. Specially with their record of not hitting on their first picks like Drake Jackson, Trey Lance, Javon Kinlaw, Solomon Thomas/Reuben Foster.

They have hit in the later rounds, example - Fred Warner, Kittle, Deebo, Banks, Hufanga, Mitchell - why not just trade down that first pick. It's going to be usually either the 31st pick or the 32nd pick anyway, and get some extra draft capital in the Day two part of the draft, and hit *both* O and D Lines each and every draft. Specially if the draft is a crap-shoot, make the numbers work for you instead of against you by getting more draft picks in the Day Two area.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

aybOriginally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've been having this OL argument for years. Kyle is an offensive guy that likes weapons so that's where they put their money. This is another issue tied to the huge contracts some players are asking for. When you pay 5 or 6 guys 20-40 million per year it takes up about 60% of your cap. It doesn't leave much for the other 47 players. O linemen who are usually among the lower paid guys want their money too so they often end up leaving to try out free agency. Then your team is back to square one. No continuity in the line. The O line seems to have way more turnover than it used to.

not that much turnover recently.. but we are not the only team that has turnover at the O Line position.

you need weapons, all the top OLs sat and watched the playoffs/SB

McGlinchey left for more money. He wasn't a great pass blocker (few are any more) but he was a very good run blocker. The let Lakin Tomlinson walk because he wanted more than they were willing to pay. It's not just O linemen. Several players have left for more money elsewhere because the 49ers felt they couldn't afford to pay them. There is no way having 5 or 6 players eating up 60% or ore of the salary cap is good for any team.

The NFL owners have been have discussions about this because they see it getting worse all the time. They're talked about a separate cap for QBs which I've been saying they need for some time. How long will it be before some QB signs for a $100 million per year.

Niners aren't going to overpay for guys that aren't worth it. It was more of the 49ers letting them go, than them being too expensive to keep

You say overpay. To those players they were underpaid. It's not about what any of us feels is right. My point is even average players feel some jealousy and want more money when they see some players getting paid 10-15 times more than they are. I'm sure some of you have worked some place where a new person comes in and is paid more than you or a co-worker that you feel is worthless is getting paid the same or more than you. It's just human nature to feel that way.

The other part of letting guys go is you are now faced with going with some backup on your roster or going out and finding a free agent. That could end up costing even more. I'm a big fan of continuity on the O line. It was one of the hallmarks of those great Niner teams. Some of the best teams ever had those great O lines that played together for several years. It's harder now because of free agency but it's no less important.

Maybe the NFL needs to incorporate special salary cap rules with respect to draft slotting. I know there is probably never going to be a one-size-fits-all approach but I'm thinking teams should get more slack in retaining their own draft picks depending on where they were picked. For example, since we struck gold with BP, as the last f**king pick in the 2022 draft, we should be afforded the most slack in retaining BP when it comes to contract extension time - like maybe only 80% of his extension counts against the cap (vs. #1 pick Trevor Lawrence only getting a 5% cushion or something). Anyway..good problem to have, I guess.

I definitely heard that the NFL owners are at least looking at this situation. Having a separate cap for QBs has been discussed. I've been saying for several years that they should just not count QB money. The most important position on the team is at the mercy of injury every year since most teams have poor backups because they can't afford to pay good ones. Every year we see several QBs lost for much of the season and that team's chances lost with it. I doubt the players association would stand in the way of it.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Foerster isn't a bad coach. He's developed Banks, and McKivitz isn't the worst OT in the NFL. Brendel was a credible starter even though undrafted. Point being, I think ShanaLynch has to reign in Chris and force feed him some talent. Similar to how Jed and John had to force feed CMC to Kyle versus Kyle not trading for CMC (and him possibly winding up teaming with McVay down south).

I don't think he's a bad OL coach. Why can't he "develop" better prospects? Why do we have to stick a career backup as the starting center position of a Super Bowl roster? Why can't they draft a OT on day 1/2?

I agree, Chris thinks he can take anyone and make them a starter caliber lineman. IMO that a bit arrogant. Get some legit talent and make them long-term starters.