2024 Training camp news/highlights

Originally posted by Giedi:
There were eight OT's taken before Pearsall, so there must have been a bunch of players taken before Pearsall that they liked in that eight, to choose to go WR instead of drafting an OT at pick #31.

Just eyeballing the draft chart in the draft section of the WebZone, you can get two 2nd round picks for the price of #31st pick in the draft chart. 49ers traded their 2nd rounder with the Chiefs to get a second and a fifth round pick, and the Chiefs got Sumataia. If the 49ers do not prioritize their OLine, and that they were willing to trade three first round picks to get Trey, I would think they would be willing to trade down their first pick - get two seconds, get their DLine and their OLine in one go in each draft. Specially with their record of not hitting on their first picks like Drake Jackson, Trey Lance, Javon Kinlaw, Solomon Thomas/Reuben Foster.

They have hit in the later rounds, example - Fred Warner, Kittle, Deebo, Banks, Hufanga, Mitchell - why not just trade down that first pick. It's going to be usually either the 31st pick or the 32nd pick anyway, and get some extra draft capital in the Day two part of the draft, and hit *both* O and D Lines each and every draft. Specially if the draft is a crap-shoot, make the numbers work for you instead of against you by getting more draft picks in the Day Two area.

Bro. this was a freaking talented OT class. They decided that none of them were better than Colton and would rather have zero as far as developmental guys go to learn behind Trent. There is legit no plan there.

If Kinglsy turns into a quality starter for KC, then I gotta start questioning their thought process there. Also continually trading pick after pick to draft RBs? Let's learn from our mistakes instead of repeating it over and over. Drafting a kicker top 100? You know how many times that's happened in the past 23 yrs? 5 times. It's not like moody is as some generational kicker. Bro missed a EP or FG in every playoff game.

and I don't want to hear anything about how they already gave their starters at OT/C. They already have a f**king good starter at RB AND good backups that cost them nothing. We have replaceable talent at every position on the OL minus Trent.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I definitely heard that the NFL owners are at least looking at this situation. Having a separate cap for QBs has been discussed. I've been saying for several years that they should just not count QB money. The most important position on the team is at the mercy of injury every year since most teams have poor backups because they can't afford to pay good ones. Every year we see several QBs lost for much of the season and that team's chances lost with it. I doubt the players association would stand in the way of it.

As soon as you free up the QB money, some other skill position will fill the void. WRs are going to want QB money and you're back at square one.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
There were eight OT's taken before Pearsall, so there must have been a bunch of players taken before Pearsall that they liked in that eight, to choose to go WR instead of drafting an OT at pick #31.

Just eyeballing the draft chart in the draft section of the WebZone, you can get two 2nd round picks for the price of #31st pick in the draft chart. 49ers traded their 2nd rounder with the Chiefs to get a second and a fifth round pick, and the Chiefs got Sumataia. If the 49ers do not prioritize their OLine, and that they were willing to trade three first round picks to get Trey, I would think they would be willing to trade down their first pick - get two seconds, get their DLine and their OLine in one go in each draft. Specially with their record of not hitting on their first picks like Drake Jackson, Trey Lance, Javon Kinlaw, Solomon Thomas/Reuben Foster.

They have hit in the later rounds, example - Fred Warner, Kittle, Deebo, Banks, Hufanga, Mitchell - why not just trade down that first pick. It's going to be usually either the 31st pick or the 32nd pick anyway, and get some extra draft capital in the Day two part of the draft, and hit *both* O and D Lines each and every draft. Specially if the draft is a crap-shoot, make the numbers work for you instead of against you by getting more draft picks in the Day Two area.

Bro. this was a freaking talented OT class. They decided that none of them were better than Colton and would rather have zero as far as developmental guys go to learn behind Trent. There is legit no plan there.

If Kinglsy turns into a quality starter for KC, then I gotta start questioning their thought process there. Also continually trading pick after pick to draft RBs? Let's learn from our mistakes instead of repeating it over and over. Drafting a kicker top 100? You know how many times that's happened in the past 23 yrs? 5 times. It's not like moody is as some generational kicker. Bro missed a EP or FG in every playoff game.

and I don't want to hear anything about how they already gave their starters at OT/C. They already have a f**king good starter at RB AND good backups that cost them nothing. We have replaceable talent at every position on the OL minus Trent.

I'm not defending ShanaLynch, I'm just trying to understand them. The only thing I can think of is this:

They must like Brandon Parker - he was a third round pick for the Raiders. They must respect Coach Carmen Bricillo judgement, who coached under Dante Scaranecchia, because he coached Brandon Parker last year with the Raiders. Brandon has some good physical measurables and compares favorably with Trent Williams from a size and athletic dimension. I think Foerster thinks he and Bricillo can develop Brandon to be a good swing OT. I hope so, and am excited to see him at left tackle in the preseason.

The Trade at #63 giving Sumataia to KC, probably means they liked defense more than offense at that spot. They picked up cornerback Renardo Green at #64. Puni was 23 spots later at #86. ShanaLynch clearly is confident they can do the job with lower round picks at the OLine spots. Maybe that's Foerster, maybe that's Kyle leaning on his skillset as an OC to scheme around a deficient Offensive Line. I don't know. I *am* happy they picked Kingston in addition to Puni to give more youth and competition for the interior of the line which was a weakness in the playoffs.

The constant Running back picks smells a bit of desperation, in a sense because Kyle's offensive system is so reliant on the run game to set everything up. I agree with you that instead of Isaac Guerndo at #129, Christian Jones or Tylan Grable were available for example. OT Roger Rosengarten was picked right before the 49ers pick at #62, and I'm thinking they were eyeing him, and when he was taken they decided to trade down. Oh well, they will live and die by those draft decisions this year - I hope chose well.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
My point is not how the player feels they should get. 49ers are not going to overpay for a guy who could do the same for a lower cost.

The line is better now than before

Disagree it's better now then before

Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm not defending ShanaLynch, I'm just trying to understand them. The only thing I can think of is this:

They must like Brandon Parker - he was a third round pick for the Raiders. They must respect Coach Carmen Bricillo judgement, who coached under Dante Scaranecchia, because he coached Brandon Parker last year with the Raiders. Brandon has some good physical measurables and compares favorably with Trent Williams from a size and athletic dimension. I think Foerster thinks he and Bricillo can develop Brandon to be a good swing OT. I hope so, and am excited to see him at left tackle in the preseason.

The Trade at #63 giving Sumataia to KC, probably means they liked defense more than offense at that spot. They picked up cornerback Renardo Green at #64. Puni was 23 spots later at #86. ShanaLynch clearly is confident they can do the job with lower round picks at the OLine spots. Maybe that's Foerster, maybe that's Kyle leaning on his skillset as an OC to scheme around a deficient Offensive Line. I don't know. I *am* happy they picked Kingston in addition to Puni to give more youth and competition for the interior of the line which was a weakness in the playoffs.

The constant Running back picks smells a bit of desperation, in a sense because Kyle's offensive system is so reliant on the run game to set everything up. I agree with you that instead of Isaac Guerndo at #129, Christian Jones or Tylan Grable were available for example. OT Roger Rosengarten was picked right before the 49ers pick at #62, and I'm thinking they were eyeing him, and when he was taken they decided to trade down. Oh well, they will live and die by those draft decisions this year - I hope chose well.

Parker is on the vet min heading into year 6. He is what he is at this point imo.

I got no problem taking Puni. He's an IOL at the next level, which doesn't help the OT spot. You don't need to invest high end picks or draft capital
at OG imo. That's where coach Foerster should be deep diving and developing day 3 guys.

Kyle hasn't gotten the job done with his current process at OT/C. Colton is not good, in fact he stinks as a pass-protector and is subpar as a run blocker. There was an upgrade to be had there…at the very least competition. How he's just been handed the RT spot is beyond me.

Trent can sit out and ask for whatever the f**k he wants because he's good and they have nothing else there. Kyle/lynch back themselves into a corner there.

Kyle's offense has shown they don't need all-star talent at RB. Time and time again it's been proven. KS even said it before the draft and they STILL did it. Move UP for Rosengarten. They have no problem moving up for RBs backup QBs OGs etc.

I agree they have to live with those choices…doesn't mean they have to keep repeating them though.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I definitely heard that the NFL owners are at least looking at this situation. Having a separate cap for QBs has been discussed. I've been saying for several years that they should just not count QB money. The most important position on the team is at the mercy of injury every year since most teams have poor backups because they can't afford to pay good ones. Every year we see several QBs lost for much of the season and that team's chances lost with it. I doubt the players association would stand in the way of it.

As soon as you free up the QB money, some other skill position will fill the void. WRs are going to want QB money and you're back at square one.

I disagree. WRs are already asking for QB money. What it would do is allow teams to signand retain their QB and a decent backup. No limits on what they could pay them. The rest of the team would still have a cap and no other single player is ever going to be worth what a top QB is.

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Maybe the NFL needs to incorporate special salary cap rules with respect to draft slotting. I know there is probably never going to be a one-size-fits-all approach but I'm thinking teams should get more slack in retaining their own draft picks depending on where they were picked. For example, since we struck gold with BP, as the last f**king pick in the 2022 draft, we should be afforded the most slack in retaining BP when it comes to contract extension time - like maybe only 80% of his extension counts against the cap (vs. #1 pick Trevor Lawrence only getting a 5% cushion or something). Anyway..good problem to have, I guess.

I think it should just be more draft oriented. A team should be able to retain every player they draft, unless that player truly just wants out of town. I've always thought of a system where there are 2 salary caps per team - one for their drafted players and one for the free agents they bring in. Perhaps each cap gets adjusted. The more you spend on your own players, the less you get to spend in free agency, and vice versa.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bro. this was a freaking talented OT class. They decided that none of them were better than Colton and would rather have zero as far as developmental guys go to learn behind Trent. There is legit no plan there.

If Kinglsy turns into a quality starter for KC, then I gotta start questioning their thought process there. Also continually trading pick after pick to draft RBs? Let's learn from our mistakes instead of repeating it over and over. Drafting a kicker top 100? You know how many times that's happened in the past 23 yrs? 5 times. It's not like moody is as some generational kicker. Bro missed a EP or FG in every playoff game.

and I don't want to hear anything about how they already gave their starters at OT/C. They already have a f**king good starter at RB AND good backups that cost them nothing. We have replaceable talent at every position on the OL minus Trent.

NY just as naive and delusional as ever...

Yeah. Get a quick thinking accurate quarterback, and invest in guys that touch the ball and fill all five of your eligible positions with great playmakers, with backups. Build your defense around a great pass rush so nobody can come back on you from behind. We're going to make this Super Bowl look like the one after the 1994 season when we scored so many points early there was no way anybody was going to catch us. We scored 505 points that regular season, which Nobody had ever done in NFL history at that time. Get an offensive line and coach them up so they don't make mental mistakes. Pump up your quarterback to make him believe he's going to have the most dominate season anyone has ever had, and give him the tools to make that happen, with quick outlets built into every play.

Put this Super Bowl away early so nobody has a chance to catch us. All Aboard.

Brock has been having a great camp so far and he has done it without Aiyuk, Pearsall, And Trent. And CMC and Kittle most days. He has been throwing the ball to Deebo, Jennings, and backups and hasn't had much protection.

If Brock has solid LG C RG pass protection then he has enough time

OTs just don't get run over too fast

It is the Drew Brees OL plan and it absolutely worked....Brees offense was always good enough to win

Our o line was far below average and did not improve in the off season. People in here talking about a patchwork o line as being good enough to win it all. I have real concern over Brock staying healthy with this line…. If Trent gets hurt what happens to cmc? If we can't run or pass we can't win. We are going into the year on a prayer that the line plays above their heads and gives the offense room to run and time to pass… it's one big ask of the big guy given our o line.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Our o line was far below average and did not improve in the off season. People in here talking about a patchwork o line as being good enough to win it all. I have real concern over Brock staying healthy with this line…. If Trent gets hurt what happens to cmc? If we can't run or pass we can't win. We are going into the year on a prayer that the line plays above their heads and gives the offense room to run and time to pass… it's one big ask of the big guy given our o line.

Puni had zero sacks in 784 snaps the last two years. What do you want?

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Puni had zero sacks in 784 snaps the last two years. What do you want?

I want Puni to get sacks now. I don't think that's asking too much.