SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs ARIZONA CARDINALS - 2024 Season Game 5

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Years? Psssh. Texans built that thing in a season. Look at Washington. Denver seemingly turned their defense around in a year. If we are going a mini rebuild, it should only take one year. We are replenishing depth and getting impact players earlier in the round than where we are user to drafting. This ain't the 2016 49ers. A few sensible moves and abandoning philosophies that don't work and we are fine.

This is the false myth that Kyle fans spread. They want you to think that by getting rid of him, the entire organization blows up and becomes a new team that will take a generation to rebuild. We have some good pieces in place. Now find a good coaching GROUP to coach them. Not one expert at one component who surrounds himself with half assed coaches. A real coach that will bring some real coordinators and position coaches to make these guys excel.

No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

Some folks are emotional narrative driven fans that really can't comprehend the nuances of football. That's fine, they want to find one thing and make that the scapegoat…most folks aren't gonna take that s**t serious without a drawn out logical discussion and those fans aren't here for that.

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is the false myth that Kyle fans spread. They want you to think that by getting rid of him, the entire organization blows up and becomes a new team that will take a generation to rebuild. We have some good pieces in place. Now find a good coaching GROUP to coach them. Not one expert at one component who surrounds himself with half assed coaches. A real coach that will bring some real coordinators and position coaches to make these guys excel.

You say s**t like this and have zero answers. Fire the coach will save the day ( like this team has been awful for years or some s**t)

you can't even logically explain who they replace Kyle and everyone else with? You have no idea if who they replace them with even wants a QB like Brock or this personnel that they didn't build. So yeah it's not as simple as fire someone and we will win super bowls forever.

you love to toss out KC and their "blueprint" took Reid 7 yrs (and luck) to figure it out when he got hired there…you will do the same s**t with whomever the next guy is. You're not gonna give them 7 yrs to build their team. You will just whine and blame it on the HC pretending you know a damn thing about football. Rinse and repeat. It's why most folks in here don't take your complaining seriously.

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

There is no one else, right now. I think shanny just needs to make a change. Try relinquishing play call duties and just work on managing the game. When the offense is struggling, he's on the sidelines trying to figure it out while he needs to pay more attention to the current situations. Maybe we don't have these unnecessary TO's and he can make better decisions on key downs. Let a dedicated OC worry about the offense for a change. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't.

Originally posted by Baldie:
There is no one else, right now. I think shanny just needs to make a change. Try relinquishing play call duties and just work on managing the game. When the offense is struggling, he's on the sidelines trying to figure it out while he needs to pay more attention to the current situations. Maybe we don't have these unnecessary TO's and he can make better decisions on key downs. Let a dedicated OC worry about the offense for a change. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't.

Give play calling to who? The issue was TOs and lack of RZ TDs. he isn't the only guy making those calls either (forester said he made some s**t calls in the RZ).

let's wait and see the all-22 before projecting that changes need to be made.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is the false myth that Kyle fans spread. They want you to think that by getting rid of him, the entire organization blows up and becomes a new team that will take a generation to rebuild. We have some good pieces in place. Now find a good coaching GROUP to coach them. Not one expert at one component who surrounds himself with half assed coaches. A real coach that will bring some real coordinators and position coaches to make these guys excel.

You say s**t like this and have zero answers. Fire the coach will save the day ( like this team has been awful for years or some s**t)

you can't even logically explain who they replace Kyle and everyone else with? You have no idea if who they replace them with even wants a QB like Brock or this personnel that they didn't build. So yeah it's not as simple as fire someone and we will win super bowls forever.

you love to toss out KC and their "blueprint" took Reid 7 yrs (and luck) to figure it out when he got hired there…you will do the same s**t with whomever the next guy is. You're not gonna give them 7 yrs to build their team. You will just whine and blame it on the HC pretending you know a damn thing about football. Rinse and repeat. It's why most folks in here don't take your complaining seriously.

This reaction after a loss like yesterday is predictable. There are some fans that view life and football only in the moment. They complain after a loss and want to fire everyone. If they win they start talking SB.

I'm not saying that Kyle doesn't share part of the blame. As HC that goes with the job. Ask the players and I doubt they're blaming the coaches. They know that it's on them to perform. Dropped passes, fumbles, missed assignments are part of the game. The players know it. They see it during the week when they review film. There isn't a player on the team that doesn't miss an assignment at least once during a game. It's not necessarily about missing an assignment either. Sometimes it's just getting beat by that highly paid player on the opposing team.

How about that final drive run where Brown was terrified to tackle Conner.... wtf man

Well, I guess the moral of this story is, quit going into the second half with a 10-point lead. That seems to be a surefire recipe for disaster. Maybe next time they should try a 7-point lead, or better yet 20 points! Arizona has always played us tough, and they had one game this year where they looked pretty good, so it never pays to overlook them. Not saying that's what happened, but they never make it easy, especially since Murray has been there. While I'm not ready to anoint Murray as the next 49er killer, ala Russell Wilson, that guy has definitely been a thorn in our side.

Luckily the Rams and Seahawks lost as well so we're still well in the mix for the division, which is the main goal, but this is clearly going to be more of dogfight than it has been for the last couple of years. I thought Brock and Aiyuk played well, though it seemed the defense took a step back from last week's performance. Tough break for Mason with that fumble, we certainly win that game without it, but he's been such a workhorse for us this year, I'm not going to give him any grief about it. It's just the way things go sometimes in the NFL.

Seattle hasn't really impressed me much this year, so hopefully, the team can get back on track with a win. Go Niners!

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

This one

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Well, I guess the moral of this story is, quit going into the 4th quarter with a 10-point lead. That seems to be a surefire recipe for disaster. Maybe next time they should try a 7-point lead, or better yet 20 points! Arizona has always played us tough, and they had one game this year where they looked pretty good, so it never pays to overlook them. Not saying that's what happened, but they never make it easy, especially since Murray has been there. While I'm not ready to anoint Murray as the next 49er killer, ala Russell Wilson, that guy has definitely been a thorn in our side.

Luckily the Rams and Seahawks lost as well so we're still well in the mix for the division, which is the main goal, but this is clearly going to be more of dogfight than it has been for the last couple of years. I thought Brock and Aiyuk played well, though it seemed the defense took a step back from last week's performance. Tough break for Mason with that fumble, we certainly win that game without it, but he's been such a workhorse for us this year, I'm not going to give him any grief about it. It's just the way things go sometimes in the NFL.

Seattle hasn't really impressed me much this year, so hopefully, the team can get back on track with a win. Go Niners!

Yeah, we'll see. I'm not confident going into Seattle against a team that can run the ball. The book is out that all you need to do with this defense is just pound the rock. There is no depth along the d-line and the guys we have aren't great at stopping the run anyways. I think the best this team can manage going into the bye week is 4-4 and it's realistic they go into it 2-6..

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
How about that final drive run where Brown was terrified to tackle Conner.... wtf man

As I've said since March 49ers NEED a Safety. f**k we have the worst Safeties in football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

Some folks are emotional narrative driven fans that really can't comprehend the nuances of football. That's fine, they want to find one thing and make that the scapegoat…most folks aren't gonna take that s**t serious without a drawn out logical discussion and those fans aren't here for that.

Fair enough, but you also don't need to analyze reams of data to assess on-field performance. Would you argue the point that SF has one of the most talented rosters in all of football? If the answer to that is yes, then hell yes Shanahan can and should be held accountable for the wins and losses produced by that roster. Over his tenure Kyle has been unquestionably good; the question on everyone's mind is whether he's past his best before date in SF. It's too early to reach any conclusions on that just yet but we might have some answers by the bye week. If this team somehow wins the next three games then memories will be short. If they lose all three the knives will be out.

Yes, of course. Let's get rid of a coach who has helped get the team to four NFC Championship games and two Super Bowls in the eight years he's been with the club and, unlike Jim Harbaugh, isn't a psychopath, though he can certainly be a little prickly at times. Sucks that they haven't been able to close the deal, but how many other teams in the league have been in the hunt as often, three or four maybe. The 49ers still have plenty of time to right the ship. The goal now is to make sure they win the Division, which they're certainly capable of doing, though they're making it harder on themselves than they need. to. Go Niners!

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

Some folks are emotional narrative driven fans that really can't comprehend the nuances of football. That's fine, they want to find one thing and make that the scapegoat…most folks aren't gonna take that s**t serious without a drawn out logical discussion and those fans aren't here for that.

Fair enough, but you also don't need to analyze reams of data to assess on-field performance. Would you argue the point that SF has one of the most talented rosters in all of football? If the answer to that is yes, then hell yes Shanahan can and should be held accountable for the wins and losses produced by that roster. Over his tenure Kyle has been unquestionably good; the question on everyone's mind is whether he's past his best before date in SF. It's too early to reach any conclusions on that just yet but we might have some answers by the bye week. If this team somehow wins the next three games then memories will be short. If they lose all three the knives will be out.

There is talent on the team. No question about that. The problem isn't talent it's performance. Even the best players have off years. Williams is older and not the tackle he once was. Kittle is still good but not quite the receiving threat he used to be as far as YAC goes. Deebo isn't taking short passes and turning them into big gains. Aiyuk wasn't in shape the first 4 games. The defense has some major holes and has a new DC. Some key injuries (CMC, Greenlaw, Hargrave and Hufanga) are adding to the problems. Maybe this just isn't going to be another trip to the NFC championship. Even the great teams of the 80s didn't make it every year.