SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs ARIZONA CARDINALS - 2024 Season Game 5

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

This one

Also I truly believe Brock falls apart without Shanny sadly. I think they're tied at the hip here

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

This one

Also I truly believe Brock falls apart without Shanny sadly. I think they're tied at the hip here

Looks like they are perfectly good at falling apart together too

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

This one

Also I truly believe Brock falls apart without Shanny sadly. I think they're tied at the hip here

Some truth to that. Brock is a good QB and certainly good in this system but he's not on the truly elite level. All his numbers are down this yer but the TD% is the big one. It's half of what it was last year. It's no coincidence that CMC has been with the team during Brocks success. Now he's not there and Brock is forced to throw more downfield passes.

It is tough to do well in a season after a Super Bowl loss.

got to give some credit they do a great job walking up 34, he starts on the helmet around midfield, we are in no huddle hurry up and he sidles right up to the LOS Brock never saw him

49'ers need 2 things to happen this week to make everything go away:

1. Beat Seattle at Seattle.
2. Have AZ lose to GB at Green Bay.

If those 2 things happen, we are alone in first place in the NFC West.

Originally posted by Wrathman:
It is tough to do well in a season after a Super Bowl loss.

Only two teams have come back to win it all the next year - 1971 Cowboys and 2018 Patriots

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is the false myth that Kyle fans spread. They want you to think that by getting rid of him, the entire organization blows up and becomes a new team that will take a generation to rebuild. We have some good pieces in place. Now find a good coaching GROUP to coach them. Not one expert at one component who surrounds himself with half assed coaches. A real coach that will bring some real coordinators and position coaches to make these guys excel.

You say s**t like this and have zero answers. Fire the coach will save the day ( like this team has been awful for years or some s**t)

you can't even logically explain who they replace Kyle and everyone else with? You have no idea if who they replace them with even wants a QB like Brock or this personnel that they didn't build. So yeah it's not as simple as fire someone and we will win super bowls forever.

you love to toss out KC and their "blueprint" took Reid 7 yrs (and luck) to figure it out when he got hired there…you will do the same s**t with whomever the next guy is. You're not gonna give them 7 yrs to build their team. You will just whine and blame it on the HC pretending you know a damn thing about football. Rinse and repeat. It's why most folks in here don't take your complaining seriously.

This reaction after a loss like yesterday is predictable. There are some fans that view life and football only in the moment. They complain after a loss and want to fire everyone. If they win they start talking SB.

I'm not saying that Kyle doesn't share part of the blame. As HC that goes with the job. Ask the players and I doubt they're blaming the coaches. They know that it's on them to perform. Dropped passes, fumbles, missed assignments are part of the game. The players know it. They see it during the week when they review film. There isn't a player on the team that doesn't miss an assignment at least once during a game. It's not necessarily about missing an assignment either. Sometimes it's just getting beat by that highly paid player on the opposing team.

Totally agree

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Fair enough, but you also don't need to analyze reams of data to assess on-field performance. Would you argue the point that SF has one of the most talented rosters in all of football? If the answer to that is yes, then hell yes Shanahan can and should be held accountable for the wins and losses produced by that roster. Over his tenure Kyle has been unquestionably good; the question on everyone's mind is whether he's past his best before date in SF. It's too early to reach any conclusions on that just yet but we might have some answers by the bye week. If this team somehow wins the next three games then memories will be short. If they lose all three the knives will be out.

Don't disagree. I think it's just as much about execution as it is about coaching. Some folks will not accept that. it's gotta be one person and only the person they don't like. There is no room for discussion and context. Why? Because they know that comes with the possibility that their narrative isn't completely correct or they simply don't understand football.

It's fine to put accountability on Kyle, he's the HC. These folks that call for his head are MIA when the team is winning. There's no objectivity. If it's Kyle and only him when a loss happens…why is he not 100% responsible for anything good this team has done over the yrs…which contrary to their beliefs there has been winning and runs at SBs. You can't say that for over 70% of the league.

and folks can save their breath with the if you don't win a SB you suck crap. s**t is hard to do, most coaches don't even get to one. Most teams are stock mediocrity for years and years. Also how long does a SB win last for a HC? Cool you won one over a decade ago. Why should that hold water now? Imo it shouldn't.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

This one

Also I truly believe Brock falls apart without Shanny sadly. I think they're tied at the hip here

Some truth to that. Brock is a good QB and certainly good in this system but he's not on the truly elite level. All his numbers are down this yer but the TD% is the big one. It's half of what it was last year. It's no coincidence that CMC has been with the team during Brocks success. Now he's not there and Brock is forced to throw more downfield passes.

If Brock had been around 7-8 years and Shanny left, I wouldn't have so much doubt. Brock is still very raw and he hasn't played more than 2 complete seasons worth of games. I do think Brock is a little lost without CMC causing him to run around so much. It would be wise to see if they can get a pass catching RB (preferably a veteran) who they can pair with mason until CMC is back

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
This is the false myth that Kyle fans spread. They want you to think that by getting rid of him, the entire organization blows up and becomes a new team that will take a generation to rebuild. We have some good pieces in place. Now find a good coaching GROUP to coach them. Not one expert at one component who surrounds himself with half assed coaches. A real coach that will bring some real coordinators and position coaches to make these guys excel.

You say s**t like this and have zero answers. Fire the coach will save the day ( like this team has been awful for years or some s**t)

you can't even logically explain who they replace Kyle and everyone else with? You have no idea if who they replace them with even wants a QB like Brock or this personnel that they didn't build. So yeah it's not as simple as fire someone and we will win super bowls forever.

you love to toss out KC and their "blueprint" took Reid 7 yrs (and luck) to figure it out when he got hired there…you will do the same s**t with whomever the next guy is. You're not gonna give them 7 yrs to build their team. You will just whine and blame it on the HC pretending you know a damn thing about football. Rinse and repeat. It's why most folks in here don't take your complaining seriously.

There are lots of places to look for answers after 3 losses in 5 games…but the big one that stands out is 4 DCs in 5 yrs. It is hard to come up with a stellar D when your DC is changing virtually every yr. Granted , that is just one facet of the game, but still, when the league allows head coordinators to move on following better job offers, you either have a DC who is also your HC or you have an OC as HC. Sure Reid and others have OCs , but basically, he still calls the O. And his DC is a fixture in KC. We have a top flite DC for 2,3, 4 yrs, and I believe or team responds accordingly with SB win (s).
Sorenson is brand new as DC here so…don't expect perfection…or even B+ DCing. It takes a while to get it right, and our current DC is still getting acclimated. Our D calls to date could have done better on a # of occasions. Fans, all of us, need to be patient, even tho that is the last thing a fan wants.

And like NY above, firing Kyle is not the answer. This team has been basically competitive once he got started. First yr was rugged as expected but this has been a fun team to watch ever since. We could have had a pair of SBs, but it didn't work out. Also we were facing the best QB of the generation in Mahomes, paired with a top echelon HC/OC. Not winning the SB is painful, esp when we were right there, but there are at least 5 or 6 teams who legitimately could have won it with talent and coaching. 49ers aren't the only really talented team out there.
That is what parity is all about, KC being an outlier, no thanks to Mahomes /Reid.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

This one

Also I truly believe Brock falls apart without Shanny sadly. I think they're tied at the hip here

Some truth to that. Brock is a good QB and certainly good in this system but he's not on the truly elite level. All his numbers are down this yer but the TD% is the big one. It's half of what it was last year. It's no coincidence that CMC has been with the team during Brocks success. Now he's not there and Brock is forced to throw more downfield passes.

If Brock had been around 7-8 years and Shanny left, I wouldn't have so much doubt. Brock is still very raw and he hasn't played more than 2 complete seasons worth of games. I do think Brock is a little lost without CMC causing him to run around so much. It would be wise to see if they can get a pass catching RB (preferably a veteran) who they can pair with mason until CMC is back

The problem is who could fit that bill and is he available. A RB that can catch passes out of the backfield is a valuable tool. Teams don't just give these guys away unless they're ready to do a rebuild. Carolina was kind of in that mode when they trade CMC.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by pdc20:
No the false myth is thinking that it's easy to find a better coach than Shanahan and that the team surely would be better without him.

This one

Also I truly believe Brock falls apart without Shanny sadly. I think they're tied at the hip here

Some truth to that. Brock is a good QB and certainly good in this system but he's not on the truly elite level. All his numbers are down this yer but the TD% is the big one. It's half of what it was last year. It's no coincidence that CMC has been with the team during Brocks success. Now he's not there and Brock is forced to throw more downfield passes.

He's 1.5 years into a career. Can the guy catch a break? He sure looks like a keeper to me after a short resume. He is the last person on this team I am worried about now or the long term.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The problem is who could fit that bill and is he available. A RB that can catch passes out of the backfield is a valuable tool. Teams don't just give these guys away unless they're ready to do a rebuild. Carolina was kind of in that mode when they trade CMC.

As an addendum to your post, it is impressive just how good a receiver Mason is. He caught a beauty up the gut and looked like it was easy. We are blessed with not just CMC (when once healthy) but also Deebo and Mason.

I hear a lot of talking in those post game pressers about turnovers being a big catalyst in the loses. Turnovers turnovers turnovers. Need to stop the turnovers. Seems like an overt way to get something across.