49ERS at PACKERS Thread - 2024 Season Week 12

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Injuries aren't an excuse, because even with a damn near perfect season last year it was the same result. If Kyle can't get it done with the most talent against a KC team that wasn't firing on all cylinders why do people think he can get it done next year or the year after with old uninspired players?

Show me a team that has won when they loss their franchise QB, DE, LT, LB2, CB1? Saying injuries aren't an excuse is false. Tell me Brandon Allen can see the field and process the game the same way Brock Purdy does. Tell me DeVondre Campbell is on par with Dre Greenlaw as far as tackling and making reads? Tell me, Jaylon Moore is as stout as Trent Williams. Having Charvarius Ward out there allows the team to move Lenoir and Green around more and takes pressure off of them.

Yah injuries don't matter. Let know when Patrick Mahomes back up wins a Super Bowl.

Bigger issue is not losing but how we lost. Team is sloppy and playing below its ability. That's on coaching.

There was about 3 dropped INT's by defense, 1 INT called back due to penalty. Several dropped passes. That is not the coaches fault. What is his fault is not giving Mason more carries, CMC is clearly not back yet.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Injuries aren't an excuse, because even with a damn near perfect season last year it was the same result. If Kyle can't get it done with the most talent against a KC team that wasn't firing on all cylinders why do people think he can get it done next year or the year after with old uninspired players?

Show me a team that has won when they loss their franchise QB, DE, LT, LB2, CB1? Saying injuries aren't an excuse is false. Tell me Brandon Allen can see the field and process the game the same way Brock Purdy does. Tell me DeVondre Campbell is on par with Dre Greenlaw as far as tackling and making reads? Tell me, Jaylon Moore is as stout as Trent Williams. Having Charvarius Ward out there allows the team to move Lenoir and Green around more and takes pressure off of them.

Yah injuries don't matter. Let know when Patrick Mahomes back up wins a Super Bowl.

Bigger issue is not losing but how we lost. Team is sloppy and playing below its ability. That's on coaching.

Coaches don't miss tackles. Coaches don't drop passes. Coaches don't hold or false start. hese are on the players. Game plan is on the coaches.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Injuries aren't an excuse, because even with a damn near perfect season last year it was the same result. If Kyle can't get it done with the most talent against a KC team that wasn't firing on all cylinders why do people think he can get it done next year or the year after with old uninspired players?

Show me a team that has won when they loss their franchise QB, DE, LT, LB2, CB1? Saying injuries aren't an excuse is false. Tell me Brandon Allen can see the field and process the game the same way Brock Purdy does. Tell me DeVondre Campbell is on par with Dre Greenlaw as far as tackling and making reads? Tell me, Jaylon Moore is as stout as Trent Williams. Having Charvarius Ward out there allows the team to move Lenoir and Green around more and takes pressure off of them.

Yah injuries don't matter. Let know when Patrick Mahomes back up wins a Super Bowl.

Bigger issue is not losing but how we lost. Team is sloppy and playing below its ability. That's on coaching.

Coaches don't miss tackles. Coaches don't drop passes. Coaches don't hold or false start. hese are on the players. Game plan is on the coaches.

Coaches hold people accountable for miss tackles, dropped passes, false starts. We do not. Coaching also makes sure these mistakes are not repeatable offenses game after game all season long. We have been getting worse at these things not better, that's on coaching.

This game was a snapshot of the entire season. Crazy unexpected injuries like CMC and Pearsall. Penalties nullifying every big play they make. Defense unable to stop the run. Unable to stop 3rd and long. Dropping passes in key situations. The season started off on the wrong note and the team has never found it's footing.

Originally posted by jcs:
Coaches hold people accountable for miss tackles, dropped passes, false starts. We do not. Coaching also makes sure these mistakes are not repeatable offenses game after game all season long. We have been getting worse at these things not better, that's on coaching.

lol, you don't know what they do internally

Few things. For starters, SF losing this game isn't surprising to anyone because they are missing 85m worth of players. Key players. Pro bowlers. Tell me how good KC would be without Mahomes, Chris Jones, TJ McDuffy, Pacheco, their #2 mlb, their #1 WR all at the same time? Oh, and they starting LT. Loss was inevitable.

That said, it was an opportunity to for ppl to step up and it was a completely failure. Green was getting torched all day. Brown was terrible. Deebo continued his descent into irrelevance. Kittle was one of the few who showed up to play. Also, the coaching was an epic disaster. Any time a defense misses that many tackles it's a systemic issue and that falls of the coaching. We won't make the playoffs this year with the injuries but they gotta fight hard and they aren't.

Originally posted by ninersporvida:
How the DC still has a job is mind blowing this team needs to be gutted

Because Kyle is Kyle. A petulant child that wants it his way. His coaches. His team. His play calls. If you ask him to change it, he will take his ball and go home. Then go on a bender.

get rid of Kyle. All the losers go with him. Can't wait…

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:
Coaches hold people accountable for miss tackles, dropped passes, false starts. We do not. Coaching also makes sure these mistakes are not repeatable offenses game after game all season long. We have been getting worse at these things not better, that's on coaching.

lol, you don't know what they do internally

I doubt that the coaches are telling them to to make tackles. It's something that shouldn't need to be addressed. That's what these guys are paid to do. How do you coach a receiver into not dropping passes. Player know they aren't supposed to move until the snap. That's all coomon sense and stuff tht's expected.

If the team is in the wrong defense then that's on the coaches. If they fail to make adjustments at halftime then that's on the coaches. Ifthe game plan going in is poor than that's on the coaches. The in game stuff like penalties, drops and missed tackles are on the players.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:
Coaches hold people accountable for miss tackles, dropped passes, false starts. We do not. Coaching also makes sure these mistakes are not repeatable offenses game after game all season long. We have been getting worse at these things not better, that's on coaching.

lol, you don't know what they do internally

I doubt that the coaches are telling them to to make tackles. It's something that shouldn't need to be addressed. That's what these guys are paid to do. How do you coach a receiver into not dropping passes. Player know they aren't supposed to move until the snap. That's all coomon sense and stuff tht's expected.

If the team is in the wrong defense then that's on the coaches. If they fail to make adjustments at halftime then that's on the coaches. Ifthe game plan going in is poor than that's on the coaches. The in game stuff like penalties, drops and missed tackles are on the players.

You can have the perfect game plan going in.. still doesn't matter. Execution and hope the refs like you lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:
Coaches hold people accountable for miss tackles, dropped passes, false starts. We do not. Coaching also makes sure these mistakes are not repeatable offenses game after game all season long. We have been getting worse at these things not better, that's on coaching.

lol, you don't know what they do internally

I doubt that the coaches are telling them to to make tackles. It's something that shouldn't need to be addressed. That's what these guys are paid to do. How do you coach a receiver into not dropping passes. Player know they aren't supposed to move until the snap. That's all coomon sense and stuff tht's expected.

If the team is in the wrong defense then that's on the coaches. If they fail to make adjustments at halftime then that's on the coaches. Ifthe game plan going in is poor than that's on the coaches. The in game stuff like penalties, drops and missed tackles are on the players.

You can have the perfect game plan going in.. still doesn't matter. Execution and hope the refs like you lol

The refs certainly had an effect yesterday. The Niners likely would have lost anyway but that illegal block call was really questionable. The Niners would have been inside the 15 yard line. Two different guys threw the flag so it must have looked illegal to both of them but it sure didn't on the replay.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it is coaching tho. cuz Rodgers and Brees were legends and made 2 SBs in like a combined 30 years. they were legends at QB like those other guys, but lacked the HOF coaching. you need both.

For sure it all matters. Dan Marino had Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson and never won. Bill has a losing record without Brady.

I just don't see why it's that hard for people to realize how special Mahomes and Brady are. Honestly I don't think KC has really ever had the "best roster" in football top to bottom when they won it all. BUT they got that kermit the frog MFer 😑

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it is coaching tho. cuz Rodgers and Brees were legends and made 2 SBs in like a combined 30 years. they were legends at QB like those other guys, but lacked the HOF coaching. you need both.

For sure it all matters. Dan Marino had Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson and never won. Bill has a losing record without Brady.

I just don't see why it's that hard for people to realize how special Mahomes and Brady are. Honestly I don't think KC has really ever had the "best roster" in football top to bottom when they won it all. BUT they got that kermit the frog MFer 😑

oh trust me i realize. ppl say oh mahomes is having a down year. that tells me who doesn't know jack about ball. mahomes is doing what it takes to win. every time i watch mahomes i see greatness. he sees the whole field and has off the charts instincts, as well as arm. now when you pair a HOF HC, with that QB and maybe the best D and maybe a HOF DC, it will take a whale of a game to beat this team.

Originally posted by jcs:
Coaches hold people accountable for miss tackles, dropped passes, false starts. We do not. Coaching also makes sure these mistakes are not repeatable offenses game after game all season long. We have been getting worse at these things not better, that's on coaching.

How do you know we don't? What you gonna bench Warner because he's playing like crap?

you know what happens when a lot of players get hurt? Their backups have to play and guess why they're the backups? Because they're not as good.

Acting like Kyle is saying hey man don't worry about tackling or holding penalties. We all know that's a load of s**t…..this isn't a video game. The coaches don't have controllers. Players are humans and have some sort of say in how they play and need to be held accountable ALL THE SAME.

now if you think the play calling on both ends is so bad that it's forcing all our players to play out of position all the time and not using their skill set properly . Yeah that's a coaching issue for sure.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
oh trust me i realize. ppl say oh mahomes is having a down year. that tells me who doesn't know jack about ball. mahomes is doing what it takes to win. every time i watch mahomes i see greatness. he sees the whole field and has off the charts instincts, as well as arm. now when you pair a HOF HC, with that QB and maybe the best D and maybe a HOF DC, it will take a whale of a game to beat this team.

No doubt. Would Mahomes has 3 SB rings if his HC was Antonio Pierce, more than likely not. I don't think Reid has a SB ring without Mahomes that's for sure.

You need all of it to go, but end of the day the guys playing on the field have a bigger say than the guys on the sideline as far as W/Ls go. Their paychecks back that up.