OTC's Causal Analysis: Why We Suck & Who's to Blame

Blaming Lynch when we all know that Shanahan is the one with the final word on everything is crazy af.

But well. I guess that Lynch forced Shanahan to trade 3 firsts for Lance

Originally posted by sick9erfan:
Shanahans blame goes beyond game management. Brock is dealing with poor oline play and free rushers weekly, teams have realized his scheme eats against Zone so they aren't playing Zone. Kyle has yet to effectively adjust his scheme/ playcalling. Brock hasn't had time to get through reads this year like he has in years past, he's being forced out of the pocket more and more.
Any blame placed on Brock is at least 50% understandable IMHO.

This is Lynch's fault according to some fans

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BP13:

great write up. I too believe letting Kyle go would be a huge mistake. He deserves a chance to get this going in the right direction this off season. Lynch is also part of that team, they exist so well together, some teams don't find that. With Sorenson, I'd say, you better have a plan and a backup plan if you dump him. Have somebody available and desirable, I think there was no plan after Wilkes was fired. Let that person use their own system and bring his own guys if he needs to.
We have a personnel issue. Missed on 7 of 9 first rounders for example. We have no speed, no depth; thankfully we hit on the last draft, and we can build on that.
I love our coach, but this is his mess, it's his show. I hope he has the self awareness and humility to use the off season and take a look what has gone sideways and adapt and change. I think Kyle is set in his ways, Mcvay admitted that he was a few years ago and decided to let go a bit and I think it has benefited him and it would Kyle too.

You know, I think Kyle is realizing a little bit that he has to adapt, he's just been a bit slower to make big changes. Maybe reluctant mid-season, I don't know. Could be good reason for that, but I hope he comes into next year with some fresh concepts. He's certainly capable. I mean the dude figured out how to destroy Seattle's legion of boom. He's bound to figure out whatever the next scheme fad there is.

If folks can figure out him, he can figure out them.

has to adapt, you mean play backyard ball? We don't have the right QB to do that.

Dude has a machine of a scheme, but it all depends on the QB and how fast the QB can get to the next progression in time.

No I just mean figure out more/better ways to combat the few issues that teams have started to expose in his scheme.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Blaming Lynch when we all know that Shanahan is the one with the final word on everything is crazy af.

But well. I guess that Lynch forced Shanahan to trade 3 firsts for Lance

To this day the NFL media still believes Kyle was taking Mac Jones til Lynch talked him out of it. We'll never know. Not saying Kyle deserves no blame, but outside of Lance, the drafts the past two years have been terrible.

Kyle is no more pulling the trigger than Harbaugh was when Greg Roman was calling plays. It was agreed that John had control over the 90 man roster, and Kyle has final say on the 53.

Kyle trusts Lynch and would only veto his call if it was something extreme. They've both stated essentially as much. So at the end of the day, we can't just absolve Lynch and pass it off to Kyle. Lynch is responsible for the personnel Kyle chooses the final roster from. That's literally his job.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BP13:
great write up. I too believe letting Kyle go would be a huge mistake. He deserves a chance to get this going in the right direction this off season. Lynch is also part of that team, they exist so well together, some teams don't find that. With Sorenson, I'd say, you better have a plan and a backup plan if you dump him. Have somebody available and desirable, I think there was no plan after Wilkes was fired. Let that person use their own system and bring his own guys if he needs to.
We have a personnel issue. Missed on 7 of 9 first rounders for example. We have no speed, no depth; thankfully we hit on the last draft, and we can build on that.
I love our coach, but this is his mess, it's his show. I hope he has the self awareness and humility to use the off season and take a look what has gone sideways and adapt and change. I think Kyle is set in his ways, Mcvay admitted that he was a few years ago and decided to let go a bit and I think it has benefited him and it would Kyle too.

You know, I think Kyle is realizing a little bit that he has to adapt, he's just been a bit slower to make big changes. Maybe reluctant mid-season, I don't know. Could be good reason for that, but I hope he comes into next year with some fresh concepts. He's certainly capable. I mean the dude figured out how to destroy Seattle's legion of boom. He's bound to figure out whatever the next scheme fad there is.

If folks can figure out him, he can figure out them.

has to adapt, you mean play backyard ball? We don't have the right QB to do that.

Dude has a machine of a scheme, but it all depends on the QB and how fast the QB can get to the next progression in time.

good point on the scheme. By adapt, I was thinking pretty much that, but in a season like this, i look for things to blame and then I'm surprised that Kyle has the 2nd ranked offense.

Agree for the most part. Impossible to really calculate, but I'd imagine the poor offensive line play would contribute to some of purdys blame %

The Chiefs

We're dead last in receiver separation. I'm assuming this is why Purdy holds onto the ball.

Demanding that he constantly hit tight windows while we can't get a run game going AND dodges defenders from our bad Oline play looks like a desperate attempt to scapegoat. Which I get--we're a bad team and people are looking to attack the one thing they want to blame.

I think we either have a low floor when it comes to talent depth, they aren't being coached well, or the players across the board have lost faith.

We're just BAD right now.

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I dont blame Brock nearly as much as you do.

I love Brock, I just think his mistakes have been magnified this year due to games being closer and us not having the defense or special teams to close these ones out. I still believe he can be an elite QB, but he needs better protection and just needs to find ways to cut down on some of those turnovers.

He was definitely shellshocked earlier in the season. He is sailing a lot of throw this year and I don't know if he's not setting his feet, has an injury, is in his own head, or some combination.

Jonny touched on this and said its a footwork mechanics issue with his from leg.

Interesting. That imo is from a cascade of issues. Bad protection destroys young qb's. But that's also on coaching and obviously on Purdy himself.

Originally posted by TyCore:

We're dead last in receiver separation. I'm assuming this is why Purdy holds onto the ball.

Demanding that he constantly hit tight windows while we can't get a run game going AND dodges defenders from our bad Oline play looks like a desperate attempt to scapegoat. Which I get--we're a bad team and people are looking to attack the one thing they want to blame.

I think we either have a low floor when it comes to talent depth, they aren't being coached well, or the players across the board have lost faith.

We're just BAD right now.

I think my frustration with Brock is just that he's forcing too many throws this year. If guys aren't separating, you gotta just live for another down. I feel like every pick this year has been due to a bad decision as opposed to an inaccurate throw.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TyCore:
We're dead last in receiver separation. I'm assuming this is why Purdy holds onto the ball.

Demanding that he constantly hit tight windows while we can't get a run game going AND dodges defenders from our bad Oline play looks like a desperate attempt to scapegoat. Which I get--we're a bad team and people are looking to attack the one thing they want to blame.

I think we either have a low floor when it comes to talent depth, they aren't being coached well, or the players across the board have lost faith.

We're just BAD right now.

I think my frustration with Brock is just that he's forcing too many throws this year. If guys aren't separating, you gotta just live for another down. I feel like every pick this year has been due to a bad decision as opposed to an inaccurate throw.

That's fair. But I can only imagine what's in his mind if guys are consistently not separating, or if by the time they do he has to vacate the pocket. If's like if it's 2nd and 9 or even 1st and 15, 1st and 20 and he's looking at "Man, they're still not getting open", how many downs can you give up throughout the game? I mean I get your point too. You can't just force it in especially when you don't have a Josh Allen arm. But every quarterback needs some help.

I saw on Facebook this year that Joe Burrow has I think 27 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. He's leading the league in yards, career high in TD%. Career low in INT %. He should be the runaway leader in the MVP race probably. Except, Bengals are 4-7. We just put so much credit and blame both on the quarterback these days. Patrick Mahomes the last two years has the lowest QBR's, lowest QB ratings, lowest TD%, highest INT% of his career. Chiefs won the Super Bowl last year and were the last undefeated team left in the NFL this year. People still talk Mahomes up like he's untouchable, including on here. "Oh, we need a quarterback like him because he makes the plays you need to make in crunch time to win." Okay, how about his average to below average play some of the time that kept the game close to begin with?

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TyCore:

We're dead last in receiver separation. I'm assuming this is why Purdy holds onto the ball.

Demanding that he constantly hit tight windows while we can't get a run game going AND dodges defenders from our bad Oline play looks like a desperate attempt to scapegoat. Which I get--we're a bad team and people are looking to attack the one thing they want to blame.

I think we either have a low floor when it comes to talent depth, they aren't being coached well, or the players across the board have lost faith.

We're just BAD right now.

I think my frustration with Brock is just that he's forcing too many throws this year. If guys aren't separating, you gotta just live for another down. I feel like every pick this year has been due to a bad decision as opposed to an inaccurate throw.

That's fair. But I can only imagine what's in his mind if guys are consistently not separating, or if by the time they do he has to vacate the pocket. If's like if it's 2nd and 9 or even 1st and 15, 1st and 20 and he's looking at "Man, they're still not getting open", how many downs can you give up throughout the game? I mean I get your point too. You can't just force it in especially when you don't have a Josh Allen arm. But every quarterback needs some help.

I saw on Facebook this year that Joe Burrow has I think 27 touchdowns and 4 interceptions. He's leading the league in yards, career high in TD%. Career low in INT %. He should be the runaway leader in the MVP race probably. Except, Bengals are 4-7. We just put so much credit and blame both on the quarterback these days. Patrick Mahomes the last two years has the lowest QBR's, lowest QB ratings, lowest TD%, highest INT% of his career. Chiefs won the Super Bowl last year and were the last undefeated team left in the NFL this year. People still talk Mahomes up like he's untouchable, including on here. "Oh, we need a quarterback like him because he makes the plays you need to make in crunch time to win." Okay, how about his average to below average play some of the time that kept the game close to begin with?

I do think what people never talk about is that Mahomes has had a great defense (or refs) to bail him out for any mistakes his entire career.

Purdy had that his first two years. This year, defense can't make the plays to seal wins anymore. They couldn't stop LA, AZ, and Seattle this past week.

It's hard and I know Purdy wants to make plays but if they're not there, you just can't hurt the team.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TyCore:
We're dead last in receiver separation. I'm assuming this is why Purdy holds onto the ball.

Demanding that he constantly hit tight windows while we can't get a run game going AND dodges defenders from our bad Oline play looks like a desperate attempt to scapegoat. Which I get--we're a bad team and people are looking to attack the one thing they want to blame.

I think we either have a low floor when it comes to talent depth, they aren't being coached well, or the players across the board have lost faith.

We're just BAD right now.

I think my frustration with Brock is just that he's forcing too many throws this year. If guys aren't separating, you gotta just live for another down. I feel like every pick this year has been due to a bad decision as opposed to an inaccurate throw.

So he holds the ball too long because guys arent getting separation. He has run more because the line breaks down. If he throws to non separated receivers, he is making a poor decision. Should he throw it out of bounds or take sacks on that many plays? Are his "forces" a product of an offense that isnt giving time ? Is his footwork because he has to be ready to bail? Too simple to blame it on Purdy.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think my frustration with Brock is just that he's forcing too many throws this year. If guys aren't separating, you gotta just live for another down. I feel like every pick this year has been due to a bad decision as opposed to an inaccurate throw.

This was bound to happen, he is a risky thrower...

I think he has more tip interceptions than anything....but it sure feels come hell or high-water, he often gets it in his head to force feed someone with the expectation his healthy prayer life to bail him out.

In fairness, he often gets away with it... kinda reminds me of Dion Sanders...dude gambled ALOT on the football field...and it worked for a long time.

It can't all be luck with Brock, he is winning some calculated risks regularly...for a dude so young, he is doing a good job..with time and polish...I am sure we will see some great days in the future if they protect him and keep coaching him correctly.

Whole lot of words looking for somewhere to lay and take blame. Last season was the first since the previous SB appearance in which the team miraculously stayed healthy. The team is mediocre this year because so many core players are injured, plain and simple. Next season difficult decisions will need to be made, first and foremost does Purdy deserve to be paid top QB $. If he does, many more core players will be on other rosters.