STC & DC Candidates (BOTH POSITIONS FILLED!)

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if he can be so creative, then how can you give him a pass cause it's the jaguars?

isn't that what we want though, a DC to elevate the players when we don't have the best players at every position?

Because no matter how good a playcaller is, they still need a baseline of talent to run their scheme.

can't that be said for any DC

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
can't that be said for any DC

Sure. Fangio's defenses were hot ass in Indy and Houston when he had ill-fitting pieces and a lack of talent. I look at what coaches excel at, what they specialize in beyond being just reliant on the talent around them.

That said, the more I've seen, the more I like the thought of Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. He's been fired twice as a head coach, is still reasonably young and did a smash up job as the DC of the Saints. He could be a long term solution at DC for the 49ers.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
can't that be said for any DC

Sure. Fangio's defenses were hot ass in Indy and Houston when he had ill-fitting pieces and a lack of talent. I look at what coaches excel at, what they specialize in beyond being just reliant on the talent around them.

That said, the more I've seen, the more I like the thought of Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. He's been fired twice as a head coach, is still reasonably young and did a smash up job as the DC of the Saints. He could be a long term solution at DC for the 49ers.

Isn't Dennis Allen blitz heavy though? Not sure that jives with Shanahan?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Sure. Fangio's defenses were hot ass in Indy and Houston when he had ill-fitting pieces and a lack of talent. I look at what coaches excel at, what they specialize in beyond being just reliant on the talent around them.

That said, the more I've seen, the more I like the thought of Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. He's been fired twice as a head coach, is still reasonably young and did a smash up job as the DC of the Saints. He could be a long term solution at DC for the 49ers.

yessir i've been saying this phoenix. i think he's great on the x's and o's. just not HC material so he would be unpoachable.

got a bad feeling

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
can't that be said for any DC

Sure. Fangio's defenses were hot ass in Indy and Houston when he had ill-fitting pieces and a lack of talent. I look at what coaches excel at, what they specialize in beyond being just reliant on the talent around them.

That said, the more I've seen, the more I like the thought of Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. He's been fired twice as a head coach, is still reasonably young and did a smash up job as the DC of the Saints. He could be a long term solution at DC for the 49ers.

I like this idea. Hope SF moves quickly though, the Bengals are looking at Allen to replace Anarumo

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

The #Colts have fired DC Gus Bradley. pic.twitter.com/LtmnHxbKht

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) January 7, 2025

got a bad feeling

He was offered the job before Saleh was hired.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
can't that be said for any DC

Sure. Fangio's defenses were hot ass in Indy and Houston when he had ill-fitting pieces and a lack of talent. I look at what coaches excel at, what they specialize in beyond being just reliant on the talent around them.

That said, the more I've seen, the more I like the thought of Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. He's been fired twice as a head coach, is still reasonably young and did a smash up job as the DC of the Saints. He could be a long term solution at DC for the 49ers.

As DC he hasn't had his Defense that high in the ranks consistently

but i do like the idea of having someone here to build continuity

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Isn't Dennis Allen blitz heavy though? Not sure that jives with Shanahan?

Not as much as he did early on in his career. He blitzed less on average than Wilks did with the 49ers last year. The more I think about him, the more he makes sense. He's not getting hired away for a HC job anytime soon, or likely ever again. He's an experienced DC that like Fangio and Spagnuolo has found his groove, has a consistent approach and got good results most of his time with the Saints. If you bring him in you potentially have a DC locked in for years to come.

As a bonus, his familiarity with Darren Rizzi might even help entice him to come onboard as special teams coordinator.

Also Allen had Brady's number constantly.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/tom-brady-record-saints-nfl-legend-struggled-dennis-allen/q9cobjy7xx8ctj3lmfpsvz9x

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
As DC he hasn't had his Defense that high in the ranks consistently

but i do like the idea of having someone here to build continuity

His defenses were Top 10 in points allowed four straight years with the Saints and its not like those defenses were absolutely loaded with elite talent either.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
As DC he hasn't had his Defense that high in the ranks consistently

but i do like the idea of having someone here to build continuity

His defenses were Top 10 in points allowed four straight years with the Saints and its not like those defenses were absolutely loaded with elite talent either.

when was this?

2010: Steelers 232 (14.5 per game)

2011: Steelers 227 points (14.2 per game)

2012: Seahawks 245 points (15.3 per game)

2013: Seahawks 231 points (14.4 per game)

2014: Seahawks 254 points (15.9 per game)

2015: Seahawks 277 points (17.3 per game)

2016: Patriots 250 points (15.6 per game)

2017: Vikings 252 points (15.8 per game)

2018: Bears 283 points (17.7 per game)

2019: Patriots 225 points (14.1 per game)

2020: Rams 296 points (18.5 per game)

2021: Bills 289 points (17.0 per game)

2022: 49ers 277 points (16.3 per game)

Edit: oh top ten.. like i said consistently

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
when was this?

2010: Steelers 232 (14.5 per game)

2011: Steelers 227 points (14.2 per game)

2012: Seahawks 245 points (15.3 per game)

2013: Seahawks 231 points (14.4 per game)

2014: Seahawks 254 points (15.9 per game)

2015: Seahawks 277 points (17.3 per game)

2016: Patriots 250 points (15.6 per game)

2017: Vikings 252 points (15.8 per game)

2018: Bears 283 points (17.7 per game)

2019: Patriots 225 points (14.1 per game)

2020: Rams 296 points (18.5 per game)

2021: Bills 289 points (17.0 per game)

2022: 49ers 277 points (16.3 per game)

Points allowed

2020-5th in the NFL

2021-4th in the NFL

2022-9th in the NFL

2023-8th in the NFL

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
when was this?

2010: Steelers 232 (14.5 per game)

2011: Steelers 227 points (14.2 per game)

2012: Seahawks 245 points (15.3 per game)

2013: Seahawks 231 points (14.4 per game)

2014: Seahawks 254 points (15.9 per game)

2015: Seahawks 277 points (17.3 per game)

2016: Patriots 250 points (15.6 per game)

2017: Vikings 252 points (15.8 per game)

2018: Bears 283 points (17.7 per game)

2019: Patriots 225 points (14.1 per game)

2020: Rams 296 points (18.5 per game)

2021: Bills 289 points (17.0 per game)

2022: 49ers 277 points (16.3 per game)

Points allowed

2020-5th in the NFL

2021-4th in the NFL

2022-9th in the NFL

2023-8th in the NFL

can you really count 22 and 23 as he wasn't the DC anymore

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
can you really count 22 and 23 as he wasn't the DC anymore

He's always been the DC. Even as HC he was the defensive playcaller. Joe Woods started calling plays for the Saints after Allen was fired.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Sure. Fangio's defenses were hot ass in Indy and Houston when he had ill-fitting pieces and a lack of talent. I look at what coaches excel at, what they specialize in beyond being just reliant on the talent around them.

That said, the more I've seen, the more I like the thought of Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. He's been fired twice as a head coach, is still reasonably young and did a smash up job as the DC of the Saints. He could be a long term solution at DC for the 49ers.

Dennis Allen is interesting as a potential long-term DC solution. He's done a very good job as DC in the past as you mention. Also, from his previous stint coaching the Raiders here in the Bay Area, he might want to come back to this area for all it has to offer (saw him two separate times back then - gymnastics program for our daughters and at Squaw Valley ski resort).