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Dec 9, 2024 at 9:33 AM
Originally posted by da209:
Who is Rizzi?

Saints special teams coordinator and interim HC. He's got exactly the kind of fire you want to see where players clearly love to play for him. One of the top special teams coaches in the game for years. If not him then Brant Boyer of the Jets has also been a good one.


Rizzi's units have ranked in the top half of NFL writer Rick Gosselin's annual special teams rankings 12 out of the last 13 years
Dec 9, 2024 at 9:36 AM
Near the end of the half yesterday, Schneider seriously put Cowing back there and told him to not only catch the ball, but to also return it from deep in our own territory.

That is such a mind-numbingly bad call, it's fire able. Doesn't matter we won in a blowout yesterday. Only bad things can go wrong by him fielding the ball in that situation. A coordinator with that lack of awareness is not fit to be running the unit. Fire him.
Dec 9, 2024 at 9:37 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by da209:
Who is Rizzi?

Saints special teams coordinator and interim HC. He's got exactly the kind of fire you want to see where players clearly love to play for him.

Like you said, open the checkbook for Rizzi if he's available. ST is too important as a 3rd Phase of the game - ST this year arguably cost this team a win or two, maybe more. In today's NFL, you have to either be even or win in ST just about every game.
Dec 9, 2024 at 9:41 AM
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Like you said, open the checkbook for Rizzi if he's available. ST is too important as a 3rd Phase of the game - ST this year arguably cost this team a win or two, maybe more. In today's NFL, you have to either be even or win in ST just about every game.

Pay for an upper echelon STC and get him what he needs and he's off and running.

If you look at Andy Reid in KC, he's got an incredible defensive coordinator that is rock solid, he also has one of the top special teams coordinators in the game and a guy who has drawn HC interviews in past years. Kyle needs to put together that kind of staff where everyone else is handling their business and there's a lot less on his plate to deal with.
Dec 9, 2024 at 9:42 AM
Originally posted by Schulzy:
Near the end of the half yesterday, Schneider seriously put Cowing back there and told him to not only catch the ball, but to also return it from deep in our own territory.

That is such a mind-numbingly bad call, it's fire able. Doesn't matter we won in a blowout yesterday. Only bad things can go wrong by him fielding the ball in that situation. A coordinator with that lack of awareness is not fit to be running the unit. Fire him.

Was thinking the exact same thing at the time. The Niners were up by three scores as the 1st Half was coming to a close...just either fair catch the ball or don't try to catch it and just let it go. Don't take any chances - you've played a very good 1st Half and no need to give the Bears a chance there to get some free points & momentum by doing something stupid & unnecessary.
Dec 9, 2024 at 9:46 AM
Originally posted by Schulzy:
Near the end of the half yesterday, Schneider seriously put Cowing back there and told him to not only catch the ball, but to also return it from deep in our own territory.

That is such a mind-numbingly bad call, it's fire able. Doesn't matter we won in a blowout yesterday. Only bad things can go wrong by him fielding the ball in that situation. A coordinator with that lack of awareness is not fit to be running the unit. Fire him.

Do other ST coaches do this? I thought the general rule is don't try to field it within the 5 yard line but other then that play as you normally would. If you don't field the punt in those situations and they down it on the 2 yard line and you end up losing the game your gonna be labeled as too conservative which is also a fireable offence to many.
Dec 9, 2024 at 9:51 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Like you said, open the checkbook for Rizzi if he's available. ST is too important as a 3rd Phase of the game - ST this year arguably cost this team a win or two, maybe more. In today's NFL, you have to either be even or win in ST just about every game.

Pay for an upper echelon STC and get him what he needs and he's off and running.

If you look at Andy Reid in KC, he's got an incredible defensive coordinator that is rock solid, he also has one of the top special teams coordinators in the game and a guy who has drawn HC interviews in past years. Kyle needs to put together that kind of staff where everyone else is handling their business and there's a lot less on his plate to deal with.

100%.

The Chiefs example is a good one. They take ST seriously and it shows game in and game out. They are very tough in all three phases, and they have the excellent coaching in all three. It's what makes them so difficult to beat when you watch them play closely (it's not just Mahomes).
Dec 9, 2024 at 10:15 AM
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Like you said, open the checkbook for Rizzi if he's available. ST is too important as a 3rd Phase of the game - ST this year arguably cost this team a win or two, maybe more. In today's NFL, you have to either be even or win in ST just about every game.

Pay for an upper echelon STC and get him what he needs and he's off and running.

If you look at Andy Reid in KC, he's got an incredible defensive coordinator that is rock solid, he also has one of the top special teams coordinators in the game and a guy who has drawn HC interviews in past years. Kyle needs to put together that kind of staff where everyone else is handling their business and there's a lot less on his plate to deal with.

100%.

The Chiefs example is a good one. They take ST seriously and it shows game in and game out. They are very tough in all three phases, and they have the excellent coaching in all three. It's what makes them so difficult to beat when you watch them play closely (it's not just Mahomes).

it's because we don't have a real HC.. KS10 knows offense and that's about it. .. how long has our ST been below average?

This team needs a new beginning while we still have the players... Look, one who may not be pretty w/designing plays, but one who can strategize..

PJ FLECK.. DAN LANNING..
Dec 9, 2024 at 10:18 AM
i like dennis allen and he's flopped as HC so we could have him going forward.
Dec 9, 2024 at 10:42 AM
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Like you said, open the checkbook for Rizzi if he's available. ST is too important as a 3rd Phase of the game - ST this year arguably cost this team a win or two, maybe more. In today's NFL, you have to either be even or win in ST just about every game.

Pay for an upper echelon STC and get him what he needs and he's off and running.

If you look at Andy Reid in KC, he's got an incredible defensive coordinator that is rock solid, he also has one of the top special teams coordinators in the game and a guy who has drawn HC interviews in past years. Kyle needs to put together that kind of staff where everyone else is handling their business and there's a lot less on his plate to deal with.

100%.

The Chiefs example is a good one. They take ST seriously and it shows game in and game out. They are very tough in all three phases, and they have the excellent coaching in all three. It's what makes them so difficult to beat when you watch them play closely (it's not just Mahomes).

it's because we don't have a real HC.. KS10 knows offense and that's about it. .. how long has our ST been below average?

This team needs a new beginning while we still have the players... Look, one who may not be pretty w/designing plays, but one who can strategize..

PJ FLECK.. DAN LANNING..

Dan Lanning takes way too many risks. His strength is recruiting and that won't help in the NFL. Even die hard Ducks fans have questioned his in game coaching decisions.
Dec 9, 2024 at 10:47 AM
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Like you said, open the checkbook for Rizzi if he's available. ST is too important as a 3rd Phase of the game - ST this year arguably cost this team a win or two, maybe more. In today's NFL, you have to either be even or win in ST just about every game.

Pay for an upper echelon STC and get him what he needs and he's off and running.

If you look at Andy Reid in KC, he's got an incredible defensive coordinator that is rock solid, he also has one of the top special teams coordinators in the game and a guy who has drawn HC interviews in past years. Kyle needs to put together that kind of staff where everyone else is handling their business and there's a lot less on his plate to deal with.

100%.

The Chiefs example is a good one. They take ST seriously and it shows game in and game out. They are very tough in all three phases, and they have the excellent coaching in all three. It's what makes them so difficult to beat when you watch them play closely (it's not just Mahomes).

it's because we don't have a real HC.. KS10 knows offense and that's about it. .. how long has our ST been below average?

This team needs a new beginning while we still have the players... Look, one who may not be pretty w/designing plays, but one who can strategize..

PJ FLECK.. DAN LANNING..

Chiefs have a top 3 special teams coach who was previously seen as a HC candidate even. Dude is never leaving there otherwise. They are just so lucky they have two GOATs as their coordinators who no one wants as HC
Dec 9, 2024 at 10:58 AM
Originally posted by miked1978:
Originally posted by Schulzy:
Near the end of the half yesterday, Schneider seriously put Cowing back there and told him to not only catch the ball, but to also return it from deep in our own territory.

That is such a mind-numbingly bad call, it's fire able. Doesn't matter we won in a blowout yesterday. Only bad things can go wrong by him fielding the ball in that situation. A coordinator with that lack of awareness is not fit to be running the unit. Fire him.

Do other ST coaches do this? I thought the general rule is don't try to field it within the 5 yard line but other then that play as you normally would. If you don't field the punt in those situations and they down it on the 2 yard line and you end up losing the game your gonna be labeled as too conservative which is also a fireable offence to many.

I agree that Cowing doesn't look comfortable fielding punts. He slips a lot when he starts to run and seems to go down easy.
Dec 9, 2024 at 11:00 AM
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree that Cowing doesn't look comfortable fielding punts. He slips a lot when he starts to run and seems to go down easy.

if he can't handle basic duty like punts it doesn't bode well. if you're a legit guy you are going to handle that easy and show you deserve more responsibility. he's kinda showing he deserves less responsibility
Dec 9, 2024 at 11:08 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree that Cowing doesn't look comfortable fielding punts. He slips a lot when he starts to run and seems to go down easy.

if he can't handle basic duty like punts it doesn't bode well. if you're a legit guy you are going to handle that easy and show you deserve more responsibility. he's kinda showing he deserves less responsibility

Fielding punts isn't that easy. He only returned 18 punts in college over 2 seasons and averaged about 6.7 yards per return. Not eye popping numbers.
Dec 9, 2024 at 11:13 AM
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree that Cowing doesn't look comfortable fielding punts. He slips a lot when he starts to run and seems to go down easy.

if he can't handle basic duty like punts it doesn't bode well. if you're a legit guy you are going to handle that easy and show you deserve more responsibility. he's kinda showing he deserves less responsibility

Fielding punts isn't that easy. He only returned 18 punts in college over 2 seasons and averaged about 6.7 yards per return. Not eye popping numbers.

it's a lot easier than playing NFL WR. that's why rookies will often start with comparatively smaller ST duties. be mindful of who crushes that out of the park and who struggles with it. if you struggle with the smaller duty you are given, it's tough for the team to give you more duties. your role tends to shrink, not grow. now if you were playmaking as return man, they would be saying gee, we need to get this guy on the field more. that's how it works for a young player.
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