DC & STC Candidates

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

Doesn't make a bit of sense to me but not unexpected they'll be plenty of people defending the Sorenson hire if it happens aswell.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Maybe,and obviously the Chargers were wrong.

Come on Saleh..f**k the Jags, Raiders and especially, the Cowboys! Get yo azz over here

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Who do you prefer?

Do you mean a specific name or who I think would be better ?

I would try to find a guy who is not likely to get a HC job soon and could run a defense without necessarily doing the wide 9 anymore. And also can be autonomous enough while working with Kyle.

Now, this pool of coordinators available doesn't exactly have a Mike McDonald, I agree.

But my point we're at the point where the defensive personnel is probably as shallow as ever. Going to a 3-4 for example could be a thing. Right now is a good time as any to try and make major changes on defense imo. "Retooling" would just tread water. And I feel with Saleh he'll try what we always tried - predominantly zone and wide 9 and rushing 4 majority of time

Hence I don't know if I really want Saleh, Bradley, Schwartz etc

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Maybe,and obviously the Chargers were wrong.

Regardless if they were right or wrong, that was a NFL organization that gave him his head coaching break.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

How can you say he's even decent based off of one successful year?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Maybe,and obviously the Chargers were wrong.

Regardless if they were right or wrong, that was a NFL organization that gave him his head coaching break.

And the proves what exactly? Teams make bad hires all the time and if he's such a proven commodity why didn't Kyle hire over Sorensen?

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

How can you say he's even decent based off of one successful year?

Was it successful or not?

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Do you mean a specific name or who I think would be better ?

I would try to find a guy who is not likely to get a HC job soon and could run a defense without necessarily doing the wide 9 anymore. And also can be autonomous enough while working with Kyle.

Now, this pool of coordinators available doesn't exactly have a Mike McDonald, I agree.

But my point we're at the point where the defensive personnel is probably as shallow as ever. Going to a 3-4 for example could be a thing. Right now is a good time as any to try and make major changes on defense imo. "Retooling" would just tread water. And I feel with Saleh he'll try what we always tried - predominantly zone and wide 9 and rushing 4 majority of time

Hence I don't know if I really want Saleh, Bradley, Schwartz etc

That's what I'd be looking for. I don't follow College football really so not aware or any potential candidates in that mold there.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Maybe,and obviously the Chargers were wrong.

Regardless if they were right or wrong, that was a NFL organization that gave him his head coaching break.

And the proves what exactly? Teams make bad hires all the time and if he's such a proven commodity why didn't Kyle hire over Sorensen?

Again an NFL team, owner and GM thought Staley was proven enough to coach their team. You act like they went out and hired some position coach.

And what you don't know why Sorensen was hired over Staley? For one it was for continuity, two, hiring Staley would've been a whole new makeover in scheme.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

How can you say he's even decent based off of one successful year?

Was it successful or not?

That doesn't answer my question.

But I'll answer yours yes he had one successful year as a DC but I'll say it again that doesn't equate to him being a decent DC we have no way of knowing based off of one year.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Do you mean a specific name or who I think would be better ?

I would try to find a guy who is not likely to get a HC job soon and could run a defense without necessarily doing the wide 9 anymore. And also can be autonomous enough while working with Kyle.

Now, this pool of coordinators available doesn't exactly have a Mike McDonald, I agree.

But my point we're at the point where the defensive personnel is probably as shallow as ever. Going to a 3-4 for example could be a thing. Right now is a good time as any to try and make major changes on defense imo. "Retooling" would just tread water. And I feel with Saleh he'll try what we always tried - predominantly zone and wide 9 and rushing 4 majority of time

Hence I don't know if I really want Saleh, Bradley, Schwartz etc

That's what I'd be looking for. I don't follow College football really so not aware or any potential candidates in that mold there.

I think Al Golden is a pretty damn good DC. And the Ohio St. DC, Jim Knowles, wouldn't mind if he got an interview.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

How can you say he's even decent based off of one successful year?

Was it successful or not?

That doesn't answer my question.

But I'll answer yours yes he had one successful year as a DC but I'll say it again that doesn't equate to him being a decent DC we have no way of knowing based off of one year.

Absolutely it answers your question. It was successful, which in the eyes was proven enough to get an head coaching job.

Lol at the rules you're going by over what an NFL team says.