STC & DC Candidates (BOTH POSITIONS FILLED!)

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Maybe,and obviously the Chargers were wrong.

Regardless if they were right or wrong, that was a NFL organization that gave him his head coaching break.

And the proves what exactly? Teams make bad hires all the time and if he's such a proven commodity why didn't Kyle hire over Sorensen?

Again an NFL team, owner and GM thought Staley was proven enough to coach their team. You act like they went out and hired some position coach.

And what you don't know why Sorensen was hired over Staley? For one it was for continuity, two, hiring Staley would've been a whole new makeover in scheme.

And you act like him being hired based off of one year somehow validates him as a pretty decent to good DC it doesn't we have no idea if he can do the job on a consistent basis.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Maybe,and obviously the Chargers were wrong.

Regardless if they were right or wrong, that was a NFL organization that gave him his head coaching break.

And the proves what exactly? Teams make bad hires all the time and if he's such a proven commodity why didn't Kyle hire over Sorensen?

Again an NFL team, owner and GM thought Staley was proven enough to coach their team. You act like they went out and hired some position coach.

And what you don't know why Sorensen was hired over Staley? For one it was for continuity, two, hiring Staley would've been a whole new makeover in scheme.

And you act like him being hired based off of one year somehow validates him as a pretty decent to good DC it doesn't we have no idea if he can do the job on a consistent basis.

Tell me, do they give head coaching jobs to s**tty coordinators? Lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

How can you say he's even decent based off of one successful year?

Was it successful or not?

That doesn't answer my question.

But I'll answer yours yes he had one successful year as a DC but I'll say it again that doesn't equate to him being a decent DC we have no way of knowing based off of one year.

Absolutely it answers your question. It was successful, which in the eyes was proven enough to get an head coaching job.

Lol at the rules you're going by over what an NFL team says.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

How can you say he's even decent based off of one successful year?

Was it successful or not?

That doesn't answer my question.

But I'll answer yours yes he had one successful year as a DC but I'll say it again that doesn't equate to him being a decent DC we have no way of knowing based off of one year.

Absolutely it answers your question. It was successful, which in the eyes was proven enough to get an head coaching job.

Lol at the rules you're going by over what an NFL team says.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

One successful year doesn't equate to proven.

How were those Charger defenses under his watch?

Kinda different when you're overseeing the team as opposed to one side of the team.

A lot of good coordinators out there don't make good HC's but are damn good coordinators. See Josh McDaniels, Steve Spags, Vic Fangio, Adam Gase and so on.

How is guiding the #1 overall defense not proven? Sure its not much of a track record but it's proven results.

It's no track record whatsoever,in order to be proven he would need to produce quality defenses on a consistent basis like Spags & Vic have.

So what would you call it then a fluke? Obviously Chargers thought he was proven when they gave him a head coaching opportunity.

Maybe,and obviously the Chargers were wrong.

Regardless if they were right or wrong, that was a NFL organization that gave him his head coaching break.

And the proves what exactly? Teams make bad hires all the time and if he's such a proven commodity why didn't Kyle hire over Sorensen?

Again an NFL team, owner and GM thought Staley was proven enough to coach their team. You act like they went out and hired some position coach.

And what you don't know why Sorensen was hired over Staley? For one it was for continuity, two, hiring Staley would've been a whole new makeover in scheme.

And you act like him being hired based off of one year somehow validates him as a pretty decent to good DC it doesn't we have no idea if he can do the job on a consistent basis.

Tell me, do they give head coaching jobs to s**tty coordinators? Lol

If you believe that through out the course of NFL history that there's never been an unqualified coordinator hired to a HC position I don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

Get used to it from the Kyle apologists. If he botches this (especially with all the great candidates available), and we end up with Staley (DC) and Sorenson (ST), you're gonna see a lot of his cheerleaders come out spinning how Staley is an awesome candidate and how the Rams had a great defense that one year. Then they'll point to all that success Sorenson had in Jacksonville that one year where they ranked bottom third in the league.

the spin will be hilarious.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Get used to it from the Kyle apologists. If he botches this (especially with all the great candidates available), and we end up with Staley (DC) and Sorenson (ST), you're gonna see a lot of his cheerleaders come out spinning how Staley is an awesome candidate and how the Rams had a great defense that one year. Then they'll point to all that success Sorenson had in Jacksonville that one year where they ranked bottom third in the league.

the spin will be hilarious.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

And so it begins 🤣

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Get used to it from the Kyle apologists. If he botches this (especially with all the great candidates available), and we end up with Staley (DC) and Sorenson (ST), you're gonna see a lot of his cheerleaders come out spinning how Staley is an awesome candidate and how the Rams had a great defense that one year. Then they'll point to all that success Sorenson had in Jacksonville that one year where they ranked bottom third in the league.

the spin will be hilarious.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

And so it begins 🤣

lol why didn't he promote him right away? He said he'd consider him but that just means he doesn't see him as option 1.

obviously Kyle wants Saleh, which I'm not against, but he may not land him and we haven't heard anything about other interviews. Seems stupid

Sorensen was garbage. It's ok to to tell your friend I love you, but it didn't work out now let's move on. Instead he will make him STC? High school operation at this point.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
In what world is Staley proven?

#1 overall defense in yards and points. He was the best DC McVay has had.

For one yr. I just can't accept that's his norm. He had yrs to make his D for the Chargers.

I feel like most good coordinators that become HCs at least maintain good results on the side or the ball they came from.

I'm out on him personally.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
actually he's not the favorite

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Show me a HC that had a .350 winning % no playoff appearances ever that gets hired as a HC the same yr they got fired? You can't because it doesn't happen.

bob can pretend that he thinks he's got a shot. No one really thinks he's gonna be a HC this go around.

we will see what happens.

If Adam Gase can get fired and hired again to be a HC two weeks later, anything is possible.

Tbf Gase had a playoff appearance… somehow lol

And he was almost .500 in Miami 23-25. Saleh went 20-36 with zero playoff appearances.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And he was almost .500 in Miami 23-25. Saleh went 20-36 with zero playoff appearances.

Okay...but have you considered

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Get used to it from the Kyle apologists. If he botches this (especially with all the great candidates available), and we end up with Staley (DC) and Sorenson (ST), you're gonna see a lot of his cheerleaders come out spinning how Staley is an awesome candidate and how the Rams had a great defense that one year. Then they'll point to all that success Sorenson had in Jacksonville that one year where they ranked bottom third in the league.

the spin will be hilarious.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

And so it begins 🤣

I don't think a single person will be OK with Sorensen as STC. He had the worst unit in the NFL the one year he was STC. He is just better off sticking to a position.

I will personally be infuriated with Kyle if that's the decision he makes. I can't take a person seriously anymore if they say they're looking at the root of everything to upgrade and then that's what they go and do.

You have to do what's best for the team. I'd rather have any of the other guys they've interviewed so far.

We badly need to bring in Fassel, Allen and Ulbrich to cover some more bases in the meantime if we haven't already.

Hoping and praying that they've been keeping it all on the down low and nothing has been leaked about the above..

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Get used to it from the Kyle apologists. If he botches this (especially with all the great candidates available), and we end up with Staley (DC) and Sorenson (ST), you're gonna see a lot of his cheerleaders come out spinning how Staley is an awesome candidate and how the Rams had a great defense that one year. Then they'll point to all that success Sorenson had in Jacksonville that one year where they ranked bottom third in the league.

the spin will be hilarious.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

I don't want Staley, but he is a pretty decent to good coordinator.

And so it begins 🤣

I don't think a single person will be OK with Sorensen as STC. He had the worst unit in the NFL the one year he was STC. He is just better off sticking to a position.

I will personally be infuriated with Kyle if that's the decision he makes. I can't take a person seriously anymore if they say they're looking at the root of everything to upgrade and then that's what they go and do.

You have to do what's best for the team. I'd rather have any of the other guys they've interviewed so far.

We badly need to bring in Fassel, Allen and Ulbrich to cover some more bases in the meantime if we haven't already.

Hoping and praying that they've been keeping it all on the down low and nothing has been leaked about the above..

This. Reading between the lines here. Unless there is a list of candidates we're unaware of they seem to be all in on Saleh at DC and are patiently waiting for his head coach opportunities to finalize. The problem with that is what will be the succession plan for him? The immediate interest in him shows he won't be here long if that is the outcome. The musical chairs thing we have going on with the DC position isn't a good thing for the defense.

To your point on special teams. That area hasn't been strong for awhile now. Simply moving Sorenson into that role just to keep him on the staff is not what that unit needs. There are several successful and experienced coordinators available and plenty of deserving assistants that have cut their teeth under some of the leagues best waiting for their opportunities. Settling for Sorenson just to keep him around would be deeply disappointing.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
how anyone can defend or want Staley is beyond me.

Get used to it from the Kyle apologists. If he botches this (especially with all the great candidates available), and we end up with Staley (DC) and Sorenson (ST), you're gonna see a lot of his cheerleaders come out spinning how Staley is an awesome candidate and how the Rams had a great defense that one year. Then they'll point to all that success Sorenson had in Jacksonville that one year where they ranked bottom third in the league.

the spin will be hilarious.

If that was the case, and it was Staley and Sorenson, that would be disappointing, and not a good sign going forward in my opinion. With how important this cycle is, I just can't see this happening. At the very least, I can't see Staley getting the DC.

I'm hearing they want a Saleh/Ulbrich package, with an understanding that Ulbrich will take over when Saleh leaves in a year or two to coach. That would be ideal to me.
ST, I really like Jett Modkins. I too, hope it's not Sorenson, but if it is, even though it's disappointing, it doesn't mean he will automatically fail. He might do a good job, we don't know.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And he was almost .500 in Miami 23-25. Saleh went 20-36 with zero playoff appearances.

Okay...but have you considered

Jets gonna jet Bill Belichick knew what was up lol