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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It's not a Jordan love fade away one leg in the air backfoot, but I do consider that a back foot. He hits it and continues to fall back into a chuck and duck through the throw. That's fine if you don't call it backfoot, but he surely doesn't get his all into the throw

He's planted and rotates through the throw. That's how you generate power. We aren't going to be crow hopping here, lol.

Beyond this part of the argument the throw is still nothing like Darnold's.
Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't know what happened to Darnold, but it must have just clicked for him. He looks like a totally different quarterback.

The Niners happened to Darnold
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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I guess I just don't think that Sam throw is that crazy. Brock's not able to step into his throw at all. He's leaning back and he chucks and ducks it about 40 yards. He doesn't get everything into that throw and it goes just as far as Sam with a running start

It is though, and while Brock fell away on his follow through (to protect himself obviously) he is planted when he throws it. That's the kind of thing he deserves credit for. His willingness to stand in there and take a shot. Sam may have bailed on that play.

Yeah I was going to say, you said "every QB in the NFL can make that throw." Physically, sure. But to mentally be able to stand in there and make that throw, knowing you're going to get crushed; a very small percentage of QB's are able and willing to do that.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It's not a Jordan love fade away one leg in the air backfoot, but I do consider that a back foot. He hits it and continues to fall back into a chuck and duck through the throw. That's fine if you don't call it backfoot, but he surely doesn't get his all into the throw

He's planted and rotates through the throw. That's how you generate power. We aren't going to be crow hopping here, lol.

Beyond this part of the argument the throw is still nothing like Darnold's.

He does a very quick set and rotate, but that's not everything in mechanics. Especially throwing a 40 yard pass. He quickly sets and rotates out of a back pedal. You're supposed to step into throws
They need to do what the Packers did with Love? Give him a nice one year bump in salary as a prove it year. If he balls out then pay the man.
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Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Darnold found someone who believes in him.

Belief is the strongest magic in the world.

Belief and fit
Originally posted by Furlow:
Yeah I was going to say, you said "every QB in the NFL can make that throw." Physically, sure. But to mentally be able to stand in there and make that throw, knowing you're going to get crushed; a very small percentage of QB's are able and willing to do that.

Well the physical throwing capability was what we were talking about, so that was exactly what I meant.
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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Yeah I was going to say, you said "every QB in the NFL can make that throw." Physically, sure. But to mentally be able to stand in there and make that throw, knowing you're going to get crushed; a very small percentage of QB's are able and willing to do that.

Well the physical throwing capability was what we were talking about, so that was exactly what I meant.

That's fair. But I think WAY too much is made of physical throwing capability vs. what QB's are consistently able to do. People (including coaches and GM's) fall in love far too easily with physical attributes, even though throughout the history of the NFL, that has simply not been the winning recipe very often.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Yeah I was going to say, you said "every QB in the NFL can make that throw." Physically, sure. But to mentally be able to stand in there and make that throw, knowing you're going to get crushed; a very small percentage of QB's are able and willing to do that.

Well the physical throwing capability was what we were talking about, so that was exactly what I meant.

Hitting your 3rd step, then doing another shuffle back into a chuck and duck for 40 yards is decent throwing capability. We've all agreed since Sam signed here he's a better thrower of the football. I just don't agree that Brock can't make the throw to Jefferson
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Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'd agree with that last one, that was a nice play and throw from Darnold. Under pressure, mostly arm because he didn't have his legs under him.

Thanks for being honest.

That doesn't mean Brock isn't a better QB than Darnold either. He does a lot of things better than Sam as well.

Doesn't matter. The only thing you need a QB for is to throw deep. Deep throws or bust - that's the way to win.

Sorry for jumping in...

The announcers repeatedly said Green Bay had made a living not with long sustained drives as had Minne, but with explosive plays. In the end, that proved to be the GB weakness.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
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Thanks for being honest.

That doesn't mean Brock isn't a better QB than Darnold either. He does a lot of things better than Sam as well.

Doesn't matter. The only thing you need a QB for is to throw deep. Deep throws or bust - that's the way to win.

Sorry for jumping in...

The announcers repeatedly said Green Bay had made a living not with long sustained drives as had Minne, but with explosive plays. In the end, that proved to be the GB weakness.

To play the advocate though, had purdy been able to throw a better deep ball we would have won at least a couple more games than we did. His deep ball is atrocious, and may be a reason defenses are playing us tighter. Same thing happened to Jimmy

edit to clarify: I'm speaking solely on his deeeep passes. His medium-to-deep passes are spot on more often than not.
[ Edited by 5thSFG on Dec 30, 2024 at 2:44 PM ]
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Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by captveg:
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Doesn't matter. The only thing you need a QB for is to throw deep. Deep throws or bust - that's the way to win.

Sorry for jumping in...

The announcers repeatedly said Green Bay had made a living not with long sustained drives as had Minne, but with explosive plays. In the end, that proved to be the GB weakness.

To play the advocate though, had purdy been able to throw a better deep ball we would have won at least a couple more games than we did. His deep ball is atrocious, and may be a reason defenses are playing us tighter. Same thing happened to Jimmy

edit to clarify: I'm speaking solely on his deeeep passes. His medium-to-deep passes are spot on more often than not.

How do you think Purdy was able to lead the NFL in deep passing last year while being "atrocious" at it?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-10-quarterbacks-by-targeted-depth-2023
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by dj43:
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Sorry for jumping in...

The announcers repeatedly said Green Bay had made a living not with long sustained drives as had Minne, but with explosive plays. In the end, that proved to be the GB weakness.

To play the advocate though, had purdy been able to throw a better deep ball we would have won at least a couple more games than we did. His deep ball is atrocious, and may be a reason defenses are playing us tighter. Same thing happened to Jimmy

edit to clarify: I'm speaking solely on his deeeep passes. His medium-to-deep passes are spot on more often than not.

How do you think Purdy was able to lead the NFL in deep passing last year while being "atrocious" at it?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-10-quarterbacks-by-targeted-depth-2023

I feel like I answered your question at the end of my post 👍🏻. Not going to argue with you though…. I'm pro purdy, and I see how many brain cells some on these boards are willing to sacrifice to make a point. I'm not falling for it 🤣🤣

Perhaps he made better deep throws this year than I realized. Have a good night.
[ Edited by 5thSFG on Dec 30, 2024 at 2:51 PM ]
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Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by captveg:
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Doesn't matter. The only thing you need a QB for is to throw deep. Deep throws or bust - that's the way to win.

Sorry for jumping in...

The announcers repeatedly said Green Bay had made a living not with long sustained drives as had Minne, but with explosive plays. In the end, that proved to be the GB weakness.

To play the advocate though, had purdy been able to throw a better deep ball we would have won at least a couple more games than we did. His deep ball is atrocious, and may be a reason defenses are playing us tighter. Same thing happened to Jimmy

edit to clarify: I'm speaking solely on his deeeep passes. His medium-to-deep passes are spot on more often than not.

I just watched several games where Herbert. Love, and Allen, all with rocker arms, sent rockets over the heads of deep receivers when a more layered ball, like Purdy throws, would have given the receiver a chance to make a play on the ball. However, in each of those three games, arm strength was not the deciding factor.

As to your claim that more arm strength from Purdy would have resulted in a "couple more" wins, you are going to have to detail that one. I don't buy it. The main reason we lost games this season, apart from injuries, was a defense that could stop Grandma on the way to the couch. That one I can prove.
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