Brock Purdy vs Sam Darnold

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by English:
Unbelievable. But if Purdy is considered so low here, why should any other team give up such a bounty for him?

"Purdy sucks, no way should the 49ers pay him big money"

"The 49ers should trade Purdy for a 1st and 2nd round pick!"

Pick a lane folks.

His contract value elevates his trade value. Any qb needy team not drafting in the top 5-7 would consider a good trade proposition. I wouldn't take a guess at what it would be, but a first and next years second doesn't seem outlandish

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
That's because it wouldn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense that Kyle Shanahan is such a genius when QBs such as Darnold play better on other teams than they do for him.

BTW, Nick Mullens also played about the same level in Minnesota as he did with the 49ers. His problem, as it was in SF, was turnovers. He still moved the ball well.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
It doesn't make any sense that Kyle Shanahan is such a genius when QBs such as Darnold play better on other teams than they do for him.

BTW, Nick Mullens also played about the same level in Minnesota as he did with the 49ers. His problem, as it was in SF, was turnovers. He still moved the ball well.

Darnold was here as a backup for one season and played behind a QB who led his team to the Super Bowl behind one of the more efficient seasons we've seen at the position. Was he supposed to play over the guy you describe as the best QB in the NFL by far? Just moronic.

Glad you brought up Mullens though as he is a good example of a QB having more success here than elsewhere, including Minnesota.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Darnold was here as a backup for one season and played behind a QB who led his team to the Super Bowl behind one of the more efficient seasons we've seen at the position. Was he supposed to play over the guy you describe as the best QB in the NFL by far? Just moronic.

Glad you brought up Mullens though as he is a good example of a QB having more success here than elsewhere, including Minnesota.

He didn't look as good at any point when he played with Shanahan as he looked in Minnesota. He came into the AZ game when Brock left with the stinger and was sailing high fastballs. He started the Rams game in the season finale and lost the game.

No, Mullens did NOT have more success here than he did in Minnesota. His yards per attempt exceeded his yards per attempt with Kyle Shanahan, and he had a similar TD/INT ratio.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

That's because it wouldn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense that Kyle Shanahan is such a genius when QBs such as Darnold play better on other teams than they do for him.

BTW, Nick Mullens also played about the same level in Minnesota as he did with the 49ers. His problem, as it was in SF, was turnovers. He still moved the ball well.

Yea I looked into it and the only qb that really had his best year with Kyle was Matt Ryan, and even he had his complaints about the way Kyle did things. The way Hoyer talked about Kyles offense made it sound like it's a pain in the ass to run. All the former QBs breaking down film question his passing offense. It's not a good pure pass offense

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
He didn't look as good at any point when he played with Shanahan as he looked in Minnesota. He came into the AZ game when Brock left with the stinger and was sailing high fastballs. He started the Rams game in the season finale and lost the game.

No, Mullens did NOT have more success here than he did in Minnesota. His yards per attempt exceeded his yards per attempt with Kyle Shanahan, and he had a similar TD/INT ratio.

He played a meaningless week 18 game against the Rams and a set of series in two other games, while prepping as a backup all season long.

In Minnesota, Mullens went winless, had more picks than TDs, and was a multi year vet at that point and not a rookie or second year player. In SF he was one of the most productive QBs ever in terms of yardage through his first 16 games. But sure, YPA and 'similar' TD/Int ratio, lol.

You are not a serious person, though it isn't news.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yea I looked into it and the only qb that really had his best year with Kyle was Matt Ryan, and even he had his complaints about the way Kyle did things. The way Hoyer talked about Kyles offense made it sound like it's a pain in the ass to run. All the former QBs breaking down film question his passing offense. It's not a good pure pass offense

It isn't, but it's also the best playaction passing offense in the NFL for years… which makes the QB's job considerably easier. That's why multiple QBs, not just Ryan, have performed their best under him. He makes QB's look better than they are, Jimmy G and Purdy especially.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Yea I looked into it and the only qb that really had his best year with Kyle was Matt Ryan, and even he had his complaints about the way Kyle did things. The way Hoyer talked about Kyles offense made it sound like it's a pain in the ass to run. All the former QBs breaking down film question his passing offense. It's not a good pure pass offense

It isn't, but it's also the best playaction passing offense in the NFL for years… which makes the QB's job considerably easier. That's why multiple QBs, not just Ryan, have performed their best under him. He makes QB's look better than they are, Jimmy G and Purdy especially.

Jimmy looked really good in NE and when he first came to SF, then regressed with Kyle. The only qb that was really at his best with Kyle is Matt Ryan. He also had a crappy year under Kyle too. It's all about the run game for kyle

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Jimmy looked really good in NE and when he first came to SF, then regressed with Kyle. The only qb that was really at his best with Kyle is Matt Ryan. He also had a crappy year under Kyle too. It's all about the run game for kyle

Jimmy played two full games in NE. Two. And he had immediate success in SF. Funny enough, he had arguably his best stretch in his final year before he reunited with the same coordinator he had in NE. He was benched and that coach was fired. He had a negative epa/p lol.

Matt Schuab, Brian Hoyer, RG3, Matt Ryan, Jimmy G, Mullens… basically every QB he's had any real time with.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Jimmy looked really good in NE and when he first came to SF, then regressed with Kyle. The only qb that was really at his best with Kyle is Matt Ryan. He also had a crappy year under Kyle too. It's all about the run game for kyle

Jimmy played two full games in NE. Two. And he had immediate success in SF. Funny enough, he had arguably his best stretch in his final year before he reunited with the same coordinator he had in NE. He was benched and that coach was fired. He had a negative epa/p lol.

Matt Schuab, Brian Hoyer, RG3, Matt Ryan, Jimmy G, Mullens… basically every QB he's had any real time with.

Schaub Hoyer and Mullens have all had similar or better play in seasons without Kyle. RG3 couldn't play after he shredded his knee. Jimmy rode that initial cmc wave, but he did regress under Kyle as the years went on. Matt Ryan had a bad year under Kyle and he had his career year under Kyle. Was his career year because of Kyle? Nobody can really say

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Schaub Hoyer and Mullens have all had similar or better play in seasons without Kyle. RG3 couldn't play after he shredded his knee. Jimmy rode that initial cmc wave, but he did regress under Kyle as the years went on. Matt Ryan had a bad year under Kyle and he had his career year under Kyle. Was his career year because of Kyle? Nobody can really say

It was Ryan's first year in a new offense, and describing it as 'bad' is a pretty big stretch. It was roughly on par with most of his previous years with one or two exceptions. Anybody watching football can say Kyle gets a ton of credit for Ryan's all time great, arguably the greatest, season in terms of efficiency.

Jimmy didn't regress under Kyle. He's a mediocre QB who Kyle maximized and also limited to the benefit of the team. We have real evidence of this which you want to dismiss.

Schaub had his best year with Kyle, especially in terms of the 'production' you seem to value. So did Mullens.

You could make the argument that Hoyer had a better season without Kyle. I think that's fair. He is legitimately the only one who actually played for Kyle where you could make the argument.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Schaub Hoyer and Mullens have all had similar or better play in seasons without Kyle. RG3 couldn't play after he shredded his knee. Jimmy rode that initial cmc wave, but he did regress under Kyle as the years went on. Matt Ryan had a bad year under Kyle and he had his career year under Kyle. Was his career year because of Kyle? Nobody can really say

It was Ryan's first year in a new offense, and describing it as 'bad' is a pretty big stretch. It was roughly on par with most of his previous years with one or two exceptions. Anybody watching football can say Kyle gets a ton of credit for Ryan's all time great, arguably the greatest, season in terms of efficiency.

Jimmy didn't regress under Kyle. He's a mediocre QB who Kyle maximized and also limited to the benefit of the team. We have real evidence of this which you want to dismiss.

Schaub had his best year with Kyle, especially in terms of the 'production' you seem to value. So did Mullens.

You could make the argument that Hoyer had a better season without Kyle. I think that's fair. He is legitimately the only one who actually played for Kyle where you could make the argument.

Mullens has been better across the board with the Vikings other than TDs, so it's not some slam dunk for Kyle. Schaub had a better season without Kyle

All I know is Hoyer and Ryan do not speak kindly of his offense, nor do former QBs that breakdown the film. Something needs to change

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He played a meaningless week 18 game against the Rams and a set of series in two other games, while prepping as a backup all season long.

In Minnesota, Mullens went winless, had more picks than TDs, and was a multi year vet at that point and not a rookie or second year player. In SF he was one of the most productive QBs ever in terms of yardage through his first 16 games. But sure, YPA and 'similar' TD/Int ratio, lol.

You are not a serious person, though it isn't news.

The game wasn't meaningless for Darnold. Darnold was auditioning for a starting job for another team. You think he was just mailing it in?

Mullens had as many picks as TDs in 2020 with Kyle, and a 13/10 ratio with Kyle in 2018. The TD/INT ratio in Minnesota are in line with what Mullens always was with Kyle, and he had a higher yards per attempt. Also, Mullens outperformed Josh Dobbs by a landslide in Minnesota.

If Kyle were some kind of incredible play caller, Mullens should've been significantly better with him.

Yeah, right. You're the guy who didn't even know when Purdy's go ball to Aiyuk down the sideline for a TD was last season. Forgetting that is already telling about how little you actually study football, but the fact you couldn't even be bothered to look it up to find it is even more telling. Your smugness is comical. You don't know enough to know you don't know enough.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He played a meaningless week 18 game against the Rams and a set of series in two other games, while prepping as a backup all season long.

In Minnesota, Mullens went winless, had more picks than TDs, and was a multi year vet at that point and not a rookie or second year player. In SF he was one of the most productive QBs ever in terms of yardage through his first 16 games. But sure, YPA and 'similar' TD/Int ratio, lol.

You are not a serious person, though it isn't news.

The game wasn't meaningless for Darnold. Darnold was auditioning for a starting job for another team. You think he was just mailing it in?

Mullens had as many picks as TDs in 2020 with Kyle, and a 13/10 ratio with Kyle in 2018. The TD/INT ratio in Minnesota are in line with what Mullens always was with Kyle, and he had a higher yards per attempt. Also, Mullens outperformed Josh Dobbs by a landslide in Minnesota.

If Kyle were some kind of incredible play caller, Mullens should've been significantly better with him.

Yeah, right. You're the guy who didn't even know when Purdy's go ball to Aiyuk down the sideline for a TD was last season. Forgetting that is already telling about how little you actually study football, but the fact you couldn't even be bothered to look it up to find it is even more telling. Your smugness is comical. You don't know enough to know you don't know enough.

Kyle had Mullens playing great and it wasn't just local talk

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/10/49ers-nick-mullens-passing-yards-record-patrick-mahomes/

Darnolds deep ball is definitely better than Purdy's when they're both on.