Shanahan's Offense figured out??

I am highly concerned by KS lack of ability to adapt his offense overall and in particular in games. In this season's game against the Chiefs, Andy Reid absolutely schooled the 9ers on how to adapt as his players got hurt, his offense quickly adjusted, and they remained effective.

I'd love to hear from someone like Jonny Del on this -- but this season it seemed like defenses had figured out:
1. The 9ers predictable set of plays -- runs and passes -- and how to coral them to limit damage.
2. How to dictate Purdy's progression rules and then change the defense post-snap to shut down routes.

Purdy is very good at post-snap reads, but when the defense is able to 1st dictate his reads, and anticipate his post-snap adjustment rules, they are jumping and shutting down a much higher percentage of routes. You saw this over and over against Deebo and Juan etc. Where this seemed to occur most is the throws over the middle.

Even in the last game, the defense seemed to bait Purdy and Pearsall with a deep middle safety so the route would bend deeper in the middle, getting Brock to throw the middle ball, only to have the Safety under-cut it for the interception.

WI am highly concerned that without the creativity of McDaniel and other staff we had early, our KS offense is stale, predicable, and inflexible to adjust.

THOUGHTS?

Originally posted by HearstFan:
I am highly concerned by KS lack of ability to adapt his offense overall and in particular in games. In this season's game against the Chiefs, Andy Reid absolutely schooled the 9ers on how to adapt as his players got hurt, his offense quickly adjusted, and they remained effective.

I'd love to hear from someone like Jonny Del on this -- but this season it seemed like defenses had figured out:
1. The 9ers predictable set of plays -- runs and passes -- and how to coral them to limit damage.
2. How to dictate Purdy's progression rules and then change the defense post-snap to shut down routes.

Purdy is very good at post-snap reads, but when the defense is able to 1st dictate his reads, and anticipate his post-snap adjustment rules, they are jumping and shutting down a much higher percentage of routes. You saw this over and over against Deebo and Juan etc. Where this seemed to occur most is the throws over the middle.

Even in the last game, the defense seemed to bait Purdy and Pearsall with a deep middle safety so the route would bend deeper in the middle, getting Brock to throw the middle ball, only to have the Safety under-cut it for the interception.

WI am highly concerned that without the creativity of McDaniel and other staff we had early, our KS offense is stale, predicable, and inflexible to adjust.

THOUGHTS?

To me this year Brock was taking too many chances and not taking what was there. I personally don't think it was a case of him veing fooled or the offense figured out. I think this year he was locking in to one Dude and was force feeding that one dude. Thus staring down his target of the day.

Shanny's offense still had open guys Brock just didn't execute the offense as good as he did in the past. To me it's as simple as that.

Originally posted by krizay:
To me this year Brock was taking too many chances and not taking what was there. I personally don't think it was a case of him veing fooled or the offense figured out. I think this year he was locking in to one Dude and was force feeding that one dude. Thus staring down his target of the day.

Shanny's offense still had open guys Brock just didn't execute the offense as good as he did in the past. To me it's as simple as that.

Too much pressing. Doing too much.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me this year Brock was taking too many chances and not taking what was there. I personally don't think it was a case of him veing fooled or the offense figured out. I think this year he was locking in to one Dude and was force feeding that one dude. Thus staring down his target of the day.

Shanny's offense still had open guys Brock just didn't execute the offense as good as he did in the past. To me it's as simple as that.

Too much pressing. Doing too much.

feels like we played a little more straight up (less presnap motion)

i gotta feeling we will return next year with the presnap motion being a majority staple of the offense

Sometimes Purdy got fooled, that's just experience. But most of the time it wasn't that, it was just dumb decisions. He kept taking chances in spots where you were better off being conservative.

Just has to learn to be better situationally.

Inability to adapt. Probably mostly due to not targeting the players that are actually good. Jennings and kittle didn't get near the amount of looks they should have. Wasted way too many to deebo.

When you waste 5-10 plays a game on a player who is flat out not good your going to have a hard time winning.

Left all the speed on the table by not playing cowing and pearsall.

Not running any screens hurts in general. Especially with such poor protection. You could negate some of it by just repeatedly doing screens and forcing the defensive line to quite rushing so quick.

I mean you have this combo of deebo, moody, special teams, no second tight end who can catch, injured rbs, no screens just neutering your offense every game.

I forgot to add the team cannot play from behind by nature of the way the offense is run. Because the play calling comes in so late and it eats up all the play clock there's no ability to get additional possessions by getting to the line and running plays quicker when your down... Great when ahead horrible when behind...

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Without 3/4 beat non QB offensive players, the 49ers were 4th in total offense.

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Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Inability to adapt. Probably mostly due to not targeting the players that are actually good. Jennings and kittle didn't get near the amount of looks they should have. Wasted way too many to deebo.

When you waste 5-10 plays a game on a player who is flat out not good your going to have a hard time winning.

Left all the speed on the table by not playing cowing and pearsall.

Not running any screens hurts in general. Especially with such poor protection. You could negate some of it by just repeatedly doing screens and forcing the defensive line to quite rushing so quick.

I mean you have this combo of deebo, moody, special teams, no second tight end who can catch, injured rbs, no screens just neutering your offense every game.

I forgot to add the team cannot play from behind by nature of the way the offense is run. Because the play calling comes in so late and it eats up all the play clock there's no ability to get additional possessions by getting to the line and running plays quicker when your down... Great when ahead horrible when behind...

The Deebo hate is over the top. He did not have a good year, along with many other players, but it's ridiculous to think KS did something wrong by trying to involve him in the offense. He was a 1000+ yard 10+ TD player just in 2023.

This would be a better argument for next season, especially if Deebo starts off slowly (provided he's still here).

Originally posted by krizay:
To me this year Brock was taking too many chances and not taking what was there. I personally don't think it was a case of him veing fooled or the offense figured out. I think this year he was locking in to one Dude and was force feeding that one dude. Thus staring down his target of the day.

Shanny's offense still had open guys Brock just didn't execute the offense as good as he did in the past. To me it's as simple as that.

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Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
I am highly concerned by KS lack of ability to adapt his offense overall and in particular in games. In this season's game against the Chiefs, Andy Reid absolutely schooled the 9ers on how to adapt as his players got hurt, his offense quickly adjusted, and they remained effective.

I'd love to hear from someone like Jonny Del on this -- but this season it seemed like defenses had figured out:
1. The 9ers predictable set of plays -- runs and passes -- and how to coral them to limit damage.
2. How to dictate Purdy's progression rules and then change the defense post-snap to shut down routes.

Purdy is very good at post-snap reads, but when the defense is able to 1st dictate his reads, and anticipate his post-snap adjustment rules, they are jumping and shutting down a much higher percentage of routes. You saw this over and over against Deebo and Juan etc. Where this seemed to occur most is the throws over the middle.

Even in the last game, the defense seemed to bait Purdy and Pearsall with a deep middle safety so the route would bend deeper in the middle, getting Brock to throw the middle ball, only to have the Safety under-cut it for the interception.

WI am highly concerned that without the creativity of McDaniel and other staff we had early, our KS offense is stale, predicable, and inflexible to adjust.

THOUGHTS?

To me this year Brock was taking too many chances and not taking what was there. I personally don't think it was a case of him veing fooled or the offense figured out. I think this year he was locking in to one Dude and was force feeding that one dude. Thus staring down his target of the day.

Shanny's offense still had open guys Brock just didn't execute the offense as good as he did in the past. To me it's as simple as that.

Agree with this. Felt like Brock was trying to force it to where he wanted to go rather than taking what was available.

Hopefully a good learning experience. We know he can push it down field when he needs to, but that's not always the best option available.

Yes.

The offense is at its best when the rushing attack is good. This year the run blocking was very inconsistent and CMC was never 100%. Brendl was bad and Trent was in and out of the lineup. This, on top of what has been said above about Brock. In terms of world view, the league has been shifting to running the ball over the past two seasons, something Kyle has already been doing.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Sometimes Purdy got fooled, that's just experience. But most of the time it wasn't that, it was just dumb decisions. He kept taking chances in spots where you were better off being conservative.

Just has to learn to be better situationally.

Yeah that was most of Purdys issue

As far as Shanahan offense is concerned I also think it's a little bit stale. His offense works best off playaction against a zone that doesn't disguise much. These zones are starting to become creative and teams also know to play more man against Niners

Whenever teams can play man and we can't run the ball it's a huge issue. I don't think it's all Brock issue even though Brock is also far better against zone.

I haven't really seen any innovation against man. Yes I get it in man your WRs have to win but passing offense cannot be like 80% Jennings comebacks in man coverage.

it sure looked figured out during that detroit game.