We must get younger, we must get cheaper.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by genus49:
The funny thing is we just released a bunch of underperforming players from a team that went 6-11 last year.

Greenlaw is the only guy who would've been great to keep because we don't have a legit replacement for him.

We also just watched the Rams do this type of reset literally 2 years ago. EERILY similar situation.

They go to the SB. Following season suffer some injuries and go 5-12.
In the offseason they trade away some of their big names and release some others(including Leonard Floyd)
They sign no big name or big $ free agents
They attack the draft even without a 1st round pick to show for that 5-12 season. They make 14 picks and add a bunch of UDFAs

They come back with big contributions by their rookies and go 10-7 looking really strong going into the postseason.

We also just watched the Bills do this...last year.
They cut a bunch of their vets(including Leonard Floyd). Add a bunch of dead cap in the process.
They add almost nobody of big name, $ in free agency.

We all know how close they were to going to the SB.

I keep seeing this point but the amount of starters we've lost, along with the lack of depth seems more severe. Both Stafford and Allen are top 5 QBs that elevates the offense, Purdy hasn't quite proven that and we are about to mary him for 5yrs. 2026 is the plan to regroup but this might end badly if we don't hit this draft or develop "young" players and we're left with an aging TE, LT, RB, WR with two torn ligaments with an "above average" QB

Agreed. People again are delusional if they think Purdy is better than Stafford right now. He was playing great in the playoffs this year it was pretty insane watching some of this throws.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by genus49:
The funny thing is we just released a bunch of underperforming players from a team that went 6-11 last year.

Greenlaw is the only guy who would've been great to keep because we don't have a legit replacement for him.

We also just watched the Rams do this type of reset literally 2 years ago. EERILY similar situation.

They go to the SB. Following season suffer some injuries and go 5-12.
In the offseason they trade away some of their big names and release some others(including Leonard Floyd)
They sign no big name or big $ free agents
They attack the draft even without a 1st round pick to show for that 5-12 season. They make 14 picks and add a bunch of UDFAs

They come back with big contributions by their rookies and go 10-7 looking really strong going into the postseason.

We also just watched the Bills do this...last year.
They cut a bunch of their vets(including Leonard Floyd). Add a bunch of dead cap in the process.
They add almost nobody of big name, $ in free agency.

We all know how close they were to going to the SB.

I keep seeing this point but the amount of starters we've lost, along with the lack of depth seems more severe. Both Stafford and Allen are top 5 QBs that elevates the offense, Purdy hasn't quite proven that and we are about to mary him for 5yrs. 2026 is the plan to regroup but this might end badly if we don't hit this draft or develop "young" players and we're left with an aging TE, LT, RB, WR with two torn ligaments with an "above average" QB

Agreed. People again are delusional if they think Purdy is better than Stafford right now. He was playing great in the playoffs this year it was pretty insane watching some of this throws.

Purdy doesn't have to be better than Stafford for the situations to be comparable. Comparable, not exactly the same. Of course we're going to have to hit on these draft picks… Webzone's gonna be insane that weekend

The 49ers had one of the top rosters for several years. 4 NFC title games. Two SBs . Still unable to win that final game. Those players got older or too expensive. Meanwhile teams like Detroit and Philly built rhtheir teams with young studs. The NFL is constantly changing so the Niners needed to do this.

Fans were upset about not being able to win the big one. Now some are going to be upset about trying to change course and get younger. You can never please everyone.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
we can get younger an cheaper while still acquiring playmakers. those two things can happen at the same time lets not act like they cant.

Bingo. Doesn't have to be the top end FA either.

ya I think they could have added in 2-3 quality FAs to help keep talent level up while still saving money an dumping alota the bloated contracts we just did. its too late for that the good talent in FA is all gone by now. I think maliek Collin getting cut was a mistake he was at times our best DT last year an would have excelled with more help around him. and didn't cost a ton of money. I wonder if they asked him to take a pay cut an he refused.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by genus49:
The funny thing is we just released a bunch of underperforming players from a team that went 6-11 last year.

Greenlaw is the only guy who would've been great to keep because we don't have a legit replacement for him.

We also just watched the Rams do this type of reset literally 2 years ago. EERILY similar situation.

They go to the SB. Following season suffer some injuries and go 5-12.
In the offseason they trade away some of their big names and release some others(including Leonard Floyd)
They sign no big name or big $ free agents
They attack the draft even without a 1st round pick to show for that 5-12 season. They make 14 picks and add a bunch of UDFAs

They come back with big contributions by their rookies and go 10-7 looking really strong going into the postseason.

We also just watched the Bills do this...last year.
They cut a bunch of their vets(including Leonard Floyd). Add a bunch of dead cap in the process.
They add almost nobody of big name, $ in free agency.

We all know how close they were to going to the SB.

I keep seeing this point but the amount of starters we've lost, along with the lack of depth seems more severe. Both Stafford and Allen are top 5 QBs that elevates the offense, Purdy hasn't quite proven that and we are about to mary him for 5yrs. 2026 is the plan to regroup but this might end badly if we don't hit this draft or develop "young" players and we're left with an aging TE, LT, RB, WR with two torn ligaments with an "above average" QB

Agreed. People again are delusional if they think Purdy is better than Stafford right now. He was playing great in the playoffs this year it was pretty insane watching some of this throws.

You glossed over my response. You want to talk about delusional? Delusional is people refusing to understand an obvious comparison because they're too eager to bash the team.

First of all let's ignore the fact that Stafford had his RB1 playing the whole year and keeping defense at bay. Second what throw save maybe the big one to Nacua late in that Eagles game was so special that Purdy can't make that throw?

Matt Stafford is in the downward trajectory of his career the gap between him and Purdy(who is a lot more mobile) is not what it used to be so pretending Stafford was this elite QB who glued the whole Rams offense together is the delusion.

There is 0 doubt in my mind that if Purdy was an earlier draft pick nobody would be making some of these statements about him. Matt Stafford wasn't the QB in 2023/2024 that he was in 2021. He's still great and he's better than Brock but the gap is not big at all and Purdy has plenty of talent and ability to lead a similar rebound to what the Rams saw in 2023. Especially since Brock's apparent "bad season" is comparable to the season Stafford had in that rebound year and he wasn't missing a ton of his offensive weapons.

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Stat on talk radio last night.

Of the six youngest teams, four went to playoffs and two went to Super Bowl.

As we know, before the recent movement we were near the oldest team in the league (number three?)

We can't sustain the way we were with the injuries. I bet after draft the excitement level is high again.

Great stats. A key reason behind the youth movement. Looking back to 2019, we were one of the youngest teams, so this regime knows a thing or two about building a young team. I'm looking forward to the draft and getting Purdy signed.

Agreed

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by genus49:
The funny thing is we just released a bunch of underperforming players from a team that went 6-11 last year.

Greenlaw is the only guy who would've been great to keep because we don't have a legit replacement for him.

We also just watched the Rams do this type of reset literally 2 years ago. EERILY similar situation.

They go to the SB. Following season suffer some injuries and go 5-12.
In the offseason they trade away some of their big names and release some others(including Leonard Floyd)
They sign no big name or big $ free agents
They attack the draft even without a 1st round pick to show for that 5-12 season. They make 14 picks and add a bunch of UDFAs

They come back with big contributions by their rookies and go 10-7 looking really strong going into the postseason.

We also just watched the Bills do this...last year.
They cut a bunch of their vets(including Leonard Floyd). Add a bunch of dead cap in the process.
They add almost nobody of big name, $ in free agency.

We all know how close they were to going to the SB.

I keep seeing this point but the amount of starters we've lost, along with the lack of depth seems more severe. Both Stafford and Allen are top 5 QBs that elevates the offense, Purdy hasn't quite proven that and we are about to mary him for 5yrs. 2026 is the plan to regroup but this might end badly if we don't hit this draft or develop "young" players and we're left with an aging TE, LT, RB, WR with two torn ligaments with an "above average" QB

Allen yes. Stafford has been on the decline. He's still an excellent QB with a big arm and the experience of a 15+ year vet but go back and look at what Stafford did in their last 2 years and tell me Purdy can't do that if CMC is healthy the way Kyren Williams was for Stafford?

And way to undersell what we have. Especially this early into free agency and pre draft...

Go look at that Rams roster before their draft in 2022.

35 year old QB coming off an injury plagued season
RBs who have never cracked 800 yards, let alone 1k
30 year old WR who was coming off a bunch of injuries
Then go look at their OL....

This 49ers roster even with all the guys who left is a bunch better roster from the talent perspective and building blocks to build around.

I just don't see the comparison, I'm not even sure who they lost a CB, OT, and Aaron Donald? I think our purge of players has to be worse we've lost what 6 pro bowlers? Not saying the sky is falling and I think it's possible to bounce back in 2026 if we hit this draft but to point at teams and say they did it doesn't mean we will.

The reputation and expectation we've built is to win the Super Bowl, not the division, I don't want to hope to make the playoffs I want us to be in contention. This blow up of the team might take a couple of years to regroup if we bounce back and become the power house we can be amazing but it's a tall order in front of us to deliver. We still have stars but have gaping holes that I don't think we can fill by drafting alone

Originally posted by Since07:
I just don't see the comparison, I'm not even sure who they lost a CB, OT, and Aaron Donald? I think our purge of players has to be worse we've lost what 6 pro bowlers? Not saying the sky is falling and I think it's possible to bounce back in 2026 if we hit this draft but to point at teams and say they did it doesn't mean we will.

The reputation and expectation we've built is to win the Super Bowl, not the division, I don't want to hope to make the playoffs I want us to be in contention. This blow up of the team might take a couple of years to regroup if we bounce back and become the power house we can be amazing but it's a tall order in front of us to deliver. We still have stars but have gaping holes that I don't think we can fill by drafting alone

Who are the 6 pro bowlers we lost that were playing like them?

As for who the Rams lost here is an article going over the key loses.

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/rams/2023/04/03/rams-offseason-losses-departures-ranking-2023/80374244007/

You can certainly go through and argue whether our losses are worse or not but at minimum they're fairly comparable. There was also talk of some of their key players including McVay retiring.

They were expected to be terrible in 2023 yet they made the playoffs and had many people picking them to make a similar run to what we did in 2021 and once again Matt Stafford wasn't exactly playing like his 2021 version.

Next season will be a wasted season and all the "old guys" still there will be a year older. The real re-start will be after Shanny and lynch leave.

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Next season will be a wasted season and all the "old guys" still there will be a year older. The real re-start will be after Shanny and lynch leave.

This, if it happens, will cause at least a year's delay whilst a GM is searched and recruited. Then a further year, minimum, searching for his head coach. There would be a clear out of coaches etc, and most of the remaining players won't suit the new coaching staff. So, by 2030 the negative posters, mentioning no names, will be able to decide that things are not going that well and that we need a new HC and GM. A bit like the situation between Seifert leaving and Harbaugh joining.

So, I trust you are utterly wrong.

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Next season will be a wasted season and all the "old guys" still there will be a year older. The real re-start will be after Shanny and lynch leave.

If the HC/GM leave there is ALWAYS a re-start. New front office/coaches bring in their own guys and most of the former players don't last unless they're not making huge money and are franchise cornerstones who are scheme independent.

However you should define what you consider a wasted season. If it's the whole "if you don't win a SB" thing then 31 teams will have a wasted season next year.

Anything else is up in the air and none of us know what will actually happen since the draft hasn't happened yet and we have so many questions. I'm pretty sure few of us expected a SB season in 2019. We've seen quick turnarounds in this league before and with Shanahan coaching the offense and Saleh coaching the defense we're setup much better than most to trim off some fat from the roster and get back to winning football games.