49ers select Mykel Williams-DE-Georgia with the 11th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
He's a solid pick. Williams fills a huge area of need at a premium position. His measurables are comparable to the best ends in the game. His work ethic is top notch and he's considered a leader in the locker room. He's great against the run which is key when you're facing Philadelphia and Washington. Questions about the injury and whether the lack of production was about the injury or the play. Ultimately, he's a powerful, high motor guy with what you're looking for in a prospect. I like him more than I like Shemar Stewart.

The lack of production was a little about the injury but mostly about Georgia being stacked on the Dline so they had a rotation which limited his snaps. I like the pick!

This is what drinking the Kool-aid looks like. That's one explanation, another is that he's just not that good at rushing the passer. We shall see, but I for one have stopped just assuming that they're right.

You call it drinking Kool-aid, other people call it rational thought...

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Campbell to the Eagles really sucks. So does Simmons being scooped up in KC.

Depends on how healthy Simmons is. He had the same injury that ended Richburg's career. There's no guarantee that he's ever back to 100%. There's still a lot of skepticism that he'll be ready to go for Week 1.

They put themselves in the situation to try though. Moore can hold it down while Simmons recovers, and means they don't have to entertain extending Taylor.

They're just a better ran franchise to us and we have to accept it. If we believed in Purdy enough he'd be signed to an 8 year + deal so we can mess with his cap hits like the Chiefs have done.

Fair enough they gambled and won with Mahomes, but they had the foresight to evaluate him properly.

Our Front office are too stubborn and unwilling to be flexible on their pre conceived notions.

They were going to draft Paxton Lynch as their QB of the future before Denver traded up to "steal" him. They traded down to take Chris Jones and then grabbed Mahomes the year after.

Had Denver not moved up they're still looking for their 2nd SB and Andy Reid may not be their HC anymore. They're a better run organization in part due to luck and finding coordinators who are excellent but nobody wants to hire as HCs.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by scooterhd:
Not only the limited snaps, but Georgia isnt setting him up for production. They are trying to win football games. Mykels playing 4i, 4, 2 at times. Some 5. Some 7. Never 9. They often ask him to contain rush, or to take on double inside as they blitz LB or play QB spy. He does the dirty work for others. Its a very balanced approach. Georgia sack leader in 2024 has 6 sacks and plays LB, 2023 was 5 playing LB, 2022 was 4.5, 2021 - 6.5, 2020 - 8.5 playing LB, 2019 - 5.5 playing LB, 2018 - 7.5 playing LB, 2017 - 6.5 playing LB, 2016 - 3 guys tied at 5 and 2 are LB, 2015 - 4.5 playing LB. 2014 - 6 playing LB.

School that puts Jalen Carter, Travon Walker, Jordan Davis, Nakobe Dean, Leonard Floyd, Azeez Ojulari, Roquan Smith, etc in the league and nobody has more than 8.5 sacks. Most years around 5 or 6? These guys come into the league and get more sacks than they ever did in college. This isnt a program where an elite edge goes to get 14 sacks a year. Doesnt happen and they are dumping talent into the league.

Mykel knows. He was asked whats playing in the wide 9 going to be league and he was grinning like a little kid on Christmas.

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't know the sack totals have been that low for Georgia guys.

Something else that i know played a major factor is he's also very well liked in the locker room and was considered their leader. I know Lynch and Kyle are big into that.

Crazy thing is the last big # sack guy from Georgia was Jarvis Jones...who was out of the league after 4 years with the Steelers(where DLmen go to have monster careers) and a total of 6 sacks, never topping 2 in a season.

I have no problem with the pick. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but I think he will be serviceable and have a long career at the very least. My one head scratcher is the FO saying they wanted to move down to get him. I dunno, I trust Saleh but I just dont think Williams was worthy of more assets than an 11. He very well could've fell in the 20's.

Originally posted by 4putt9r:
I have no problem with the pick. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but I think he will be serviceable and have a long career at the very least. My one head scratcher is the FO saying they wanted to move down to get him. I dunno, I trust Saleh but I just dont think Williams was worthy of more assets than an 11. He very well could've fell in the 20's.

Counterpoint - he very well could not have

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
He's a solid pick. Williams fills a huge area of need at a premium position. His measurables are comparable to the best ends in the game. His work ethic is top notch and he's considered a leader in the locker room. He's great against the run which is key when you're facing Philadelphia and Washington. Questions about the injury and whether the lack of production was about the injury or the play. Ultimately, he's a powerful, high motor guy with what you're looking for in a prospect. I like him more than I like Shemar Stewart.

The lack of production was a little about the injury but mostly about Georgia being stacked on the Dline so they had a rotation which limited his snaps. I like the pick!

This is what drinking the Kool-aid looks like. That's one explanation, another is that he's just not that good at rushing the passer. We shall see, but I for one have stopped just assuming that they're right.

You call it drinking Kool-aid, other people call it rational thought...

It's a nicer place to be, but I'm done doing it, Kinlaw was one I did it for, even though I wanted to keep Buck, I drank the Kool-aid. No longer.

Could Mykel become Aldon Smith? I highly doubt it, could Jalon Walker become Parsons? I doubt that either, but I know which I think is more likely and won't be swayed just because it's what the regime thinks. We'll see what happens on the field.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 4putt9r:
I have no problem with the pick. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but I think he will be serviceable and have a long career at the very least. My one head scratcher is the FO saying they wanted to move down to get him. I dunno, I trust Saleh but I just dont think Williams was worthy of more assets than an 11. He very well could've fell in the 20's.

Counterpoint - he very well could not have

Can't argue with that. Point is I still don't think he was worth spending more assets on. 10 to whatever is good enough. And my proof is that he did fall to 11. We very well could've wasted important picks for nothing. Again I have no problem with the pick at 11.

It's no different than moving up to get Trey or potentially Mac when we could've gotten both at 11. (Trey is an opinion). No need to reach sometimes.

Originally posted by 4putt9r:
I have no problem with the pick. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but I think he will be serviceable and have a long career at the very least. My one head scratcher is the FO saying they wanted to move down to get him. I dunno, I trust Saleh but I just dont think Williams was worthy of more assets than an 11. He very well could've fell in the 20's.

He's already NFL ready as a run stopper, needs to develop a pass rush but he's only 20 years old. The ceiling is high, could be an Aldon Smith type without the character issues

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by ubaisore:
And lets not forget that Bosa seems to enjoy teaching guys.... this could be the other side we have desperately needed. The draft is always aa crap shoot but saying this is a horrible pick is just pessimism at its finest

A nice thing about Mykell is that his go-to rush moves are the same moves that Bosa is arguably the best at(double swipe) and extremely proficient in(long arm, bullrush). Bosa is going to be able to hit the ground running with Mykell and help him refine his setups, polish his hand technique and help him learn how to position his body to finish. This isn't a dude that doesn't have a clue what he's doing. There's a base there that needs to be further enhanced and refined.

Now that I agree with, and he seems willing to learn. Let's just see how well he does. To me that was the difference between Williams and Stewart, Stewart should know better by now. At least Williams is young and was banged up.

I think they are going to move him around along the DLine. I wouldnt expect big sack numbers from him. He isnt going to be a pass rush specialist. More like a Erik Armstead type player.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I think they are going to move him around along the DLine. I wouldnt expect big sack numbers from him. He isnt going to be a pass rush specialist. More like a Erik Armstead type player.

Thats what I think too. Saleh loved putting Armstead at defensive end.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
He's a solid pick. Williams fills a huge area of need at a premium position. His measurables are comparable to the best ends in the game. His work ethic is top notch and he's considered a leader in the locker room. He's great against the run which is key when you're facing Philadelphia and Washington. Questions about the injury and whether the lack of production was about the injury or the play. Ultimately, he's a powerful, high motor guy with what you're looking for in a prospect. I like him more than I like Shemar Stewart.

The lack of production was a little about the injury but mostly about Georgia being stacked on the Dline so they had a rotation which limited his snaps. I like the pick!

This is what drinking the Kool-aid looks like. That's one explanation, another is that he's just not that good at rushing the passer. We shall see, but I for one have stopped just assuming that they're right.

You call it drinking Kool-aid, other people call it rational thought...

It's a nicer place to be, but I'm done doing it, Kinlaw was one I did it for, even though I wanted to keep Buck, I drank the Kool-aid. No longer.

Could Mykel become Aldon Smith? I highly doubt it, could Jalon Walker become Parsons? I doubt that either, but I know which I think is more likely and won't be swayed just because it's what the regime thinks. We'll see what happens on the field.

This is not about Kool-aid. If you look at the guys that were mentioned being picked at 11, Stewart, Graham, Nolen they all had low production when you simply look at numbers. I'm looking at how their game translates to the NFL and Williams game looks good. You have to be able to stop the run first and he's excellent at that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 4putt9r:
I have no problem with the pick. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but I think he will be serviceable and have a long career at the very least. My one head scratcher is the FO saying they wanted to move down to get him. I dunno, I trust Saleh but I just dont think Williams was worthy of more assets than an 11. He very well could've fell in the 20's.

Counterpoint - he very well could not have

People wanted Harmon and he did fall in the 20s. Look, this is a draft void of alot of blue chippers. There was no trading back in the middle of the round. 0 trades from 5 to 25. Teams stayed put and largely selected from a big tier of guys starting at about pick 7.

I bet most teams had Mykel, Stewart, Walker, Pearce, Nolen, Grant, Harmon closely rated. Between 11 and 17 you have 5 DL or edge players taken. Your'e picking your favorite of the bunch based on need, defensive philosophy etc. Bengals want a DE with weight because they have Mr Henry twice a year. Falcons were 31st in sacks last year and were looking for production. They have their reasons. But theres no doubt Mykel was worthy of being selected in the 8-20 range IMO.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
People wanted Harmon and he did fall in the 20s. Look, this is a draft void of alot of blue chippers. There was no trading back in the middle of the round. 0 trades from 5 to 25. Teams stayed put and largely selected from a big tier of guys starting at about pick 7.

I bet most teams had Mykel, Stewart, Walker, Pearce, Nolen, Grant, Harmon closely rated. Between 11 and 17 you have 5 DL or edge players taken. Your'e picking your favorite of the bunch based on need, defensive philosophy etc. Bengals want a DE with weight because they have Mr Henry twice a year. Falcons were 31st in sacks last year and were looking for production. They have their reasons. But theres no doubt Mykel was worthy of being selected in the 8-20 range IMO.

this guy scooter just keeps cranking out quality posts

Originally posted by 4putt9r:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 4putt9r:
I have no problem with the pick. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but I think he will be serviceable and have a long career at the very least. My one head scratcher is the FO saying they wanted to move down to get him. I dunno, I trust Saleh but I just dont think Williams was worthy of more assets than an 11. He very well could've fell in the 20's.

Counterpoint - he very well could not have

Can't argue with that. Point is I still don't think he was worth spending more assets on. 10 to whatever is good enough. And my proof is that he did fall to 11. We very well could've wasted important picks for nothing. Again I have no problem with the pick at 11.

It's no different than moving up to get Trey or potentially Mac when we could've gotten both at 11. (Trey is an opinion). No need to reach sometimes.

Baldy, and others, had him as the second best Edge in the draft. Given the specific players that were taken before him, 11 was just right...and we needed an Edge that could set an edge plus rush the passer. Now, add in the fact he has the size and experience kicking inside at times, 11 may have been a bargain for a team that runs a Wide 9.